Mdayonliner what comes around

[evergreendog]

This pretentious asshole got red trusted, what comes around goes around . Justice served.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468

[mdayonliner]

This pretentious asshole got red trusted, what comes around goes around . Justice served.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468

Yes true. But I do not think the statement is appropriate here.

So, you are one of them who got busted for merit abusing because of my merit investigation topic. I know I made a large number of enemies because of that topic including lot of higher ranked members who were abusing the merits too. Hack, I sometimes get blamed that I am licking highers ass. If that was true then I would be only picking lower ranked members for merit abusing.

Look mate, I have nothing personal with anyone. So, do not take anything too personally.

PS: This is not a meta topic. It's more appropriate for Reputations board. However I don't mind it to be here. I may get hilariousandco's attention for this topic. Yesterday I PMed him/her immediately when I saw the response on this topic. While I was composing the PM and checking some contents - I noticed that I got the red tag. Anyway I sent the PM and ask for a full review based on my participation in the forum and the validity of the investigation. It was a biased investigation from a user who was mad at me because I thought he abused merit.

[trapatalce]

I've had a pleasant experience with mdayonliner, if you got caught stealing, you wouldn't blame the police, would you?

[jackg]

This pretentious asshole got red trusted, what comes around goes around . Justice served.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432468

Yes true. So, you are one of them who got busted for merit abusing because of my merit investigation topic. I know I made a large number of enemies because of that topic including lot of higher ranked members who were abusing the merits too. Hack, I sometimes get blamed that I am licking highers ass. If that was true then I would be only picking lower ranked members for merit abusing.

Look mate, I have nothing personal with anyone. So, do not take any thing too personally.

Well there are a few ways you could look at this. The one I like, there's nothing more you have left to lose so you can double-down on your previous merit abuse finding and all of the other services you previously did for the forum (It's only logical).

[mdayonliner]

I've had a pleasant experience with mdayonliner, if you got caught stealing, you wouldn't blame the police, would you?

Thanks mate.

The one I like, there's nothing more you have left to lose so you can double-down on your previous merit abuse finding and all of the other services you previously did for the forum   (It's only logical).

No mate it's not for making enemies it's more like I am tired of explaining them back and forth. They come to you with this angry face and demand that they did nothing wrong. They make you feel that you are guilty. I am really tired of all these mad faces. By the way, updated my last reply a bit, just thought you want to recheck it.

[jackg]

The one I like, there's nothing more you have left to lose so you can double-down on your previous merit abuse finding and all of the other services you previously did for the forum   (It's only logical).

No mate it's not for making enemies it's more like I am tired of explaining them back and forth. They come to you with this angry face and demand that they did nothing wrong. They make you feel that you are guilty. I am really tired of all these mad faces. By the way, updated my last reply a bit, just thought you want to recheck it.

It should be about making enemies though of trolls, spammers and abusers of the forum. It's the only way they'll learn...

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Never had a problem with mdayonliner either, but I can see where hilariousandco is coming from.  People who come to bitcointalk and try to make a splash early have a history of not turning out to be what they appear--I'm not accusing him of anything, but the escrow thing to a trained bitcointalk cynic looks like a great exit scam.  My impression is that mdayonliner is looking to do a lot of business here but doesn't yet have the trust reputation for what he's trying to do. 

By the way, reporting anything but obvious merit abuse at this point is almost a waste of time, because it has to be really blatant and obvious for anyone to consider acting on it.  I'd also point out that coming here and immediately busting scams doesn't necessarily make a person trusted--it's a good thing, yes, but it's not an indicator of whether someone can actually be trusted not to scam themselves. 

I think I was here 1.5 years before I got my first trust from someone on DT.  I'd done a few deals with PayPal and hadn't scammed, and I was otherwise engaged in the community.  So what I'm saying is that it takes time here, and if you try to do things too quickly it can look suspicious.

[mdayonliner]

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From my experience, I made most of my haters for this topic: Done with the topic: [New format] Merit Abuser Gang [Now 18-1 cases].

Other stuffs did not make much difference.

[digaran]

@TP, stop trying to support this Ponzi promoter, he actually thought that he could get away with 20BTC like people here are village idiots to hand him 20BTC. You were put on DT2 to tag shitposters and account sellers, bounty cheaters etc. but you have turned out to be somebody who'd do selective red tagging, that's bad, if you are not going to tag other DT members or trusted members when they do something wrong, you'll in time lose your credibility.

The fact is that mdayonliner is only here to promote Ponzis and earn the trust of forum members to do an exit scam, now there is no way for him to do that. another red flag is the obvious attempt at earning some trust through lending coins.

[mdayonliner]

Thanks The Pharmacist for your input too.

My impression is that mdayonliner is looking to do a lot of business here but doesn't yet have the trust reputation for what he's trying to do.

I have a lending topic. I am trying to find something (voluntary or paid does not matter much) else too which I can offer since I spend most of my time on the forum. However I never thought to list an escrow service because I do know - I still have not made that much high reputation yet.

Showing interest on that topic was something like someone need something, I thought I can handle it (All I needed is a cold storage which I have - a hardware wallet and to trust myself which I do) and I applied. If they don't like it then they will reject me.  Honestly speaking I had nothing else in mind. Yes the amount is really high but that really did not make me to think to escape with the money, I was attaching my entire career and reputation with it. My identity on the forum is fairly exposed so trying to do something wrong would surely end me up in the jail. I could not escape even if I wanted to (for the sake of argument)

Honestly speaking, this is what I had in my imagination (nutty/crazy/nonsense thoughts) - by any chance If I get it then members will admire me more. If I can become an escrow then to the community - I will have a higher level of respect that mdayonliner is a man of his words, really trustworthy and an idol to follow, he held 20BTC for someone, this and that sorts of ambitious dreams. We all see this kind of dreams. May be mine were too ambitious but you will see non of them to harm anyone. I never had any bad intention.

Anyway, nothing changed (I know people get mad) from my side for hilariousandco, I am seeing them around from last over 7 months and I have full respects for them. All I would expect is to recheck the accusations against me. If you (in fact everyone) find anything that does not satisfy you then feel free to ask any question. Honestly speaking, I have nothing to hide here. In my conscious mind I never did hardly done anything wrong.

I'd also point out that coming here and immediately busting scams doesn't necessarily make a person trusted--it's a good thing, yes, but it's not an indicator of whether someone can actually be trusted not to scam themselves.

It also does not mean that they are untrusted.

PS: I will ignore anything from digaran. Obvious reason - he is here for trolling and for distraction. I will also ignore anyone who is on this list too.

[digaran]

I thought I can handle it (All I needed is a cold storage which I have - a hardware wallet and to trust myself which I do) and I applied. If they don't like it then they will reject me

Except you are not a trusted person, you don't have any good reputation and nobody should ever trust a Ponzi promoter. we know that all you needed was a cold storage and 20BTC to easily take the money and vanish.

If I can become an escrow

If you could become an escrow you would've taken the funds and would've disappeared to just reappear with another account to repeat the process, don't be an idiot, there is nothing near being an idol for the community by scamming people after being here for 7 months.

[mdayonliner]

I thought I can handle it (All I needed is a cold storage which I have - a hardware wallet and to trust myself which I do) and I applied. If they don't like it then they will reject me

Except you are not a trusted person, you don't have any good reputation and nobody should ever trust a Ponzi promoter. we know that all you needed was a cold storage and 20BTC to easily take the money and vanish.

If I can become an escrow

If you could become an escrow you would've taken the funds and would've disappeared to just reappear with another account to repeat the process, don't be an idiot, there is nothing near being an idol for the community by scamming people after being here for 7 months.

[jackg]

Never had a problem with mdayonliner either, but I can see where hilariousandco is coming from.  People who come to bitcointalk and try to make a splash early have a history of not turning out to be what they appear--I'm not accusing him of anything, but the escrow thing to a trained bitcointalk cynic looks like a great exit scam.  My impression is that mdayonliner is looking to do a lot of business here but doesn't yet have the trust reputation for what he's trying to do. 

By the way, reporting anything but obvious merit abuse at this point is almost a waste of time, because it has to be really blatant and obvious for anyone to consider acting on it.  I'd also point out that coming here and immediately busting scams doesn't necessarily make a person trusted--it's a good thing, yes, but it's not an indicator of whether someone can actually be trusted not to scam themselves. 

I think I was here 1.5 years before I got my first trust from someone on DT.  I'd done a few deals with PayPal and hadn't scammed, and I was otherwise engaged in the community.  So what I'm saying is that it takes time here, and if you try to do things too quickly it can look suspicious.

I don't like your trust and I'm glad you agree with me. Sorry but it's the truth, it looks to me like you have done similar to mday, he offers a lending service, you have your signature and I'm not sure you've done any trades (probably why your trust has stayed). I assume if you start trading your trust from some users might be reconsidered, busting scams is a great thing but I don't think you should get a positive trust from it as you haven't done any trades to gain it.

@mdayonliner, there are a lot of people that wouldn't be trusted with 20BTC I doubt I would without something like 4/5 multisig or something like that but someone shouldn't get negative trust for offering a service and not actually scamming if the scan isn't obvious at the start of the service when it is offered.

[mdayonliner]

...haven't done any trades to gain it.

Looking at how the trusts are giving to everyone, I am sure everyone will agree that the translation of trust system is not really limited to only feedback for a trade that has been done like eBay.

@mdayonliner, there are a lot of people that wouldn't be trusted with 20BTC I doubt I would without something like 4/5 multisig or something like that but someone shouldn't get negative trust for offering a service and not actually scamming if the scan isn't obvious at the start of the service when it is offered.

Trust with 20BTC: Completely true. It was suppose to be the call for the OP of that topic since s/he was looking for someone who can offer him/her the service.

I did not have any idea about this multisig thing. I consciously first noticed it from LoyceV on that topic.

consider a 2-out-of-3 multisig: OP holds 1 key, and 2 escrows each hold one too. That way, 2 out of 3 parties can always make a transaction.

Can you enlighten me a bit. Feel free to PM me with any source you have. This seems a now lesson for me.
Never mind. I got the idea from Google  

[yahoo62278]

Truth of the matter is that thread for the escrow probably could've been avoided period had the OP just looked at the escrow list.  TF may not have wanted to bother taking the time searching and just decided to make the topic and see what happens, who knows. Either way, the thread was made and a bunch of idiots applied who are definitely not qualified.

I've held way more then that amount but you didn't see me run in there and offer myself for the job. Not because i'm not trusted but more because if you offer escrow services and something happens, you are liable for repaying the money. Doesn't matter if I can cover it, what matters is ppl do not realize they are responsible for that money no matter the size of the deal. I personally do not want to deal with that mess.

The reason a lot of people get tagged for offering escrow services with no reputation is there is a good chance they'll run off period. There's no need for anyone who doesn't have plenty of money and reputation to even be replying in that thread period. Let the big boys handle it and stay out of threads that really do not concern you. Don't worry about wanting to be a damn idol around here. All it brings you is bs anyways. Gaining a big reputation just means more people are jealous and out to try and ruin you. Basically be careful what you wish for

[Quickseller]

TF may not have wanted to bother taking the time searching

I would be extremely skeptical of anything TF says when you cannot independently verify his statements. TF is very smart, and knows how to make well rounded arguments that have merit. However TF also likes to mix in information that is difficult to substantiate and/or is otherwise untrue into his arguments, which ultimately makes those arguments not hold water. As it stands now, TF has not funded any kind of escrow for that bounty, and even though he has said he will pay "someone" for information, it appears as if that someone is likely to be an account that is under a week old.

I am not entirely sure what TF's angle is in soliciting an escrow but not selecting and funding escrow for his bounty. Perhaps it is to give credibility to him paying old CL debts via settlements, as he is likely running up against the statue of limitations to file suit against him (5 years). It is also very possible he has simply been unable to locate anyone he sufficiently trusts to act as escrow, and there is no ulterior motive. My understanding is that TF has denied that he was involved in any of the thefts/losses his customers suffered via his businesses.

In regards to the OP, I am not a huge fan of telling people what services they can and cannot offer to others, as I strongly believe people should be free to evaluate people's qualifications and trust to make a decision to trust them or not. On the other hand, Mdayonliner very much has very close to zero trading history, and from what I can tell, has been entrusted with nearly no of anyone's money in the past, and was offering to hold ~$120k of someone else's money for a year -- it is difficult to argue that this is not a scam attempt. Also, to be frank, his trust history of trying to call out "merit abusers" is evidence he was trying to get unwarranted trust.

[mdayonliner]

Don't worry about wanting to be a damn idol around here. All it brings you is bs anyways. Gaining a big reputation just means more people are jealous and out to try and ruin you. Basically be careful what you wish for

Thanks yahoo62278 for your constructive view in here.

I realize that it was an idiotic move from my side. Sometimes we do end up looking like an idiot - lack of experience/high ambition/excitements these sorts of stuffs led us to do idiotic acts and it is obvious that showing interested on that topic was the most foolish move I ever took. I will try my best to convince hilariousandco to reassess the situation and to review the entire Ponzi Promoting accusation topic against me.

Also, to be frank, his trust history of trying to call out "merit abusers" is evidence he was trying to get unwarranted trust.

I found this is the root of everything. Like I said I made decent enemy here who do not like me. They always try a way to humiliate me like the OP of this topic did from his/her brand new account. It just make them happy a lot.

...it is difficult to argue that this is not a scam attempt.

It is like reading my mind based on your prior experience from others. I could prove to be someone totally different than others. Anyone can think anything about someone else since there are no one to stop him/her of what they are thinking about however it's quite unfair to accuse someone for something that they have not done yet. If I find someone done a bad act then I can call them out for that but I can not call them out pretending that I can read their mind since they haven't done that such act yet?

Thanks Quickseller for your feedback, I appreciate the added value in here.

[pugman]

I don't about the ponzi, but H&co tags anybody with little or no experience offering their escrow services here.

mdayonliner, I just have one thing to say: A lot of people became naive and acted stupidly in the past, when they saw money, and everything went from bad to worse. Just don't get too involved in fucked up cases, some things are just better than money. Be honest with yourself, think wisely in what you want to get yourself into.

I am not sure, if people are really that angry at you for busting them for merit abuses, but seeing what has happened in the past, this could be it. Like Yahoo said, don't get yourself too involved, this might bite you in the back really bad. You can do a lot for this forum, in other ways, like spreading knowledge, which is the core reason this forum was created for.

I have read a lot on this forum, on how fucked up things have got, seen aTriz being naive, Master-p scamming people, Goat attacking theymos, Cyber pinoy going after Gleb Gamow because Gleb busted him, TF paying QS 20 bitcoins to sue Vod, the Zeroxal case, TMAN vs OgNasty, Owlcatz vs OgNasty, Twitchy Seal vs Ognasty,  Timelord2067 accusing Tomatocage of random people , Quickseller escrowing for himself , escrow.ms getting arrrested and then people calling Vod a pedophile. I can go on and on, but this is just to show what you want to get yourself involved into.

I'd also point out that coming here and immediately busting scams doesn't necessarily make a person trusted--it's a good thing, yes, but it's not an indicator of whether someone can actually be trusted not to scam themselves.

Warningsigns comes to my mind. Its really sad on what he did, it was the least expected. And also not to forget Master-p.

[xtraelv]

I have read a lot on this forum, on how fucked up things have got, seen aTriz being naive, Master-p scamming people, Goat attacking theymos, Cyber pinoy going after Gleb Gamow because Gleb busted him, TF paying QS 20 bitcoins to sue Vod, the Zeroxal case, TMAN vs OgNasty, Owlcatz vs OgNasty, Twitchy Seal vs Ognasty,  Timelord2067 accusing Tomatocage of random people , Quickseller escrowing for himself , escrow.ms getting arrrested and then people calling Vod a pedophile. I can go on and on, but this is just to show what you want to get yourself involved into.

I wasn't going to comment in this thread because I didn't want to bump the thread. OP - if you are going to flame someone or call them pretentious then at least do it from your account rather than a "pretentious" anonymous alt - so that the person and people reading it know who they are dealing with.

But what perked my interest is how pugman just listed all the bitcointalk "scandal gossip". They would make an interesting post. I know a couple of the "scandals" you listed but there are a few I don't know much about.

[pugman]

I have read a lot on this forum, on how fucked up things have got, seen aTriz being naive, Master-p scamming people, Goat attacking theymos, Cyber pinoy going after Gleb Gamow because Gleb busted him, TF paying QS 20 bitcoins to sue Vod, the Zeroxal case, TMAN vs OgNasty, Owlcatz vs OgNasty, Twitchy Seal vs Ognasty,  Timelord2067 accusing Tomatocage of random people , Quickseller escrowing for himself , escrow.ms getting arrrested and then people calling Vod a pedophile. I can go on and on, but this is just to show what you want to get yourself involved into.

But what perked my interest is how pugman just listed all the bitcointalk "scandal gossip". They would make an interesting post. I know a couple of the "scandals" you listed but there are a few I don't know much about.

DO it. I have a lot more references I think. And these things that I listed have multiple threads and stories behind it. How it started and all that. Stuff like this is hard to find but isn't impossible. You need any help,hit me a up with a PM,I'll gladly help you out. Edit:

I forgot about this: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." and I am reading a few more. A lot of shit has happened on this forum, some really fucked up shit.