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July 17, 2018, 11:32:40 AM
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This is still a much better suggestion compared to removing signatures for all of the users. There are some quality signature campaigns and hard working campaign managers still on site, so it's better to regulate it instead of banning it...
I usually don't belive that those jr. members and newbies posting in the alt section are not bots, simply, they post rubbish, I just can't belive they are humans and do this manually day by day...
So if they are bots (or people who don't speak English) and they leave, the forum won't lose anything but only traffic (which is still important, if we want to be the first and most active bitcoin related forum, prior to reddit, etc...)
I just feel sorry for the very few newbies, who come here to learn about bitcoin (really) because they will suffer because of the shitposter army... if we implement some strict regulation for the newbies, jr. members, etc...
If anyone had found a simple solution for this problem, it would have been implemented already, so there's no simple solution at all. If there will be a solution, that will hurt, the question is whom and how much...
You just can't report all of the spammers and get them banned, because if you get one banned, two or three new shitposter will register immediately... (unfortunately, even if you won't get one banned, the new shitposters would still register...)

The simple solution is to apply a 'karma-like' feature that helps to monitor user's activity, stats, and quality of posts. If a user has been rewarded with low/-ve karma during a signature campaign by the campaign manager, then that should be noted. This should be different from the negative trust.

But, sadly most campaign managers aren't competent. Even they have their own flaws and that becomes a huge responsibility on the mods to tidy up after them. But ideally, shitposters are to be handled by the campaign manager since the bounty is the reason they exist in the first place.
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July 18, 2018, 12:43:25 PM
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I haven't read through this thread yet, but I really think we should remove signatures from lower ranks completely and then signatures should be given as a reward for people who have earned enough merit and subsequently the right to earn here via signatures. The amount of people who are signing up here just to copy and paste other's posts is ridiculous. It's both very hard to spot and incredibly time consuming for people to report and for staff to handle. Crapcoin campaigns accept them every single time and often at all ranks and are none the wiser to their abuse, whilst staff are left to clean up their mess. It doesn't matter if you get your accounts banned because it costs nothing to create and bot accounts here which most of them are likely doing and who cares if your lose a Junior Member? Start again or use one of the others from your stockpile. I've probably banned over 50 users today alone all copying other's posts that krishnapramod has reported and the reports keep flooding in.

I mean, what other alternatives are there here? The longer we do nothing about this spam the worse it gets and there will likely be a breaking point where theymos just has enough of all the nonsense and hassle and removes signatures all together, but then everybody is penalised for the greed and desperation of others and the people who came here just to abuse bounties will leave as quickly as they came. Let people earn their right to earn from posting here, and let the chaff just collect their bounties in the bounty boards until they manage to earn some merit, but don't let them pollute the rest of the forum or be the cause of removal of all signatures completely.

Also, I still think we should include some paid donator ranks like Copper Member (Silver & Gold Member etc) that come with the benefits of higher ranks (ie bigger signatures like Senior and Hero). If people are complaining that it takes too long to get merit then let them pay to bypass those restrictions. Give the money to charity or something. It's win win in my opinion).

In my opinion, this will not be a victory! Since a person who has bought himself a rank, will continue to do what he did when he was lower!
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July 18, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
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In my opinion, this will not be a victory! Since a person who has bought himself a rank, will continue to do what he did when he was lower!

No, but it stops all the new spammers signing up just to shitpost immediately and there are desperate crapcoin campaigns that will even accept newbies. This shouldn't be allowed. If you wanted to solve your issue though you could just make the merit requirements be retroactive. All users start from zero merit and you don't get a signature until you've earned the required merit for that rank. That would solve the issue of shitposting account farming.

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July 19, 2018, 03:36:05 AM
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There is one more problem here. I've already seen algorithms that do posts in social networks, collect links to a file and publish the report to the forum! All you need to do is to monitor its correct operation, hundreds of campaigns or farm accounts. The application to which I watched the video, even allowed to connect dozens of different accounts of the same twitter or fb. This unfortunate tendency, because everything is already there on this forum and is actively sold Sad Often posts that go after the end of the campaign or with violations of conditions are likely to be made by such systems
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July 19, 2018, 07:14:46 AM
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Somewhere admin mentioned that he wanted to keep merits required for member level to be 1 but thought that it would be easy. I guess that applies to jr member as well.
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July 19, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
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As soon as people start to use this ignore function, bounty managers would realize that the shitposters' posts won't show up at all in the forum, so they won't pay for them.
I don't think that matters much: as long as Google picks up on the links in their signatures, they earn from it.

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July 19, 2018, 10:57:37 AM
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Op, you should do a minor correction in title, it should be till and not til.

Coming back to your suggestion, I am in support of  this. But it should be disabled for members who failed to earn any merit or sufficient merits. Obviously admin could not start that initially because we need members in different ranks to let the forum function properly.
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July 19, 2018, 11:30:35 AM
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In many forums, spammers will simply be banned. For 1 hour first time, for 1 day second time, for 1 week third time etc.

Why it can not be done here?
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July 19, 2018, 02:11:13 PM
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There is one more problem here. I've already seen algorithms that do posts in social networks, collect links to a file and publish the report to the forum! All you need to do is to monitor its correct operation, hundreds of campaigns or farm accounts. The application to which I watched the video, even allowed to connect dozens of different accounts of the same twitter or fb. This unfortunate tendency, because everything is already there on this forum and is actively sold Sad Often posts that go after the end of the campaign or with violations of conditions are likely to be made by such systems
Why not enter account binding to a phone number and add a captcha as a bonus to reduce the amount of spam? Of course, this will not get rid of the problem, but still, I think, will reduce the number of bots.
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July 19, 2018, 02:57:17 PM
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There is one more problem here. I've already seen algorithms that do posts in social networks, collect links to a file and publish the report to the forum! All you need to do is to monitor its correct operation, hundreds of campaigns or farm accounts. The application to which I watched the video, even allowed to connect dozens of different accounts of the same twitter or fb. This unfortunate tendency, because everything is already there on this forum and is actively sold Sad Often posts that go after the end of the campaign or with violations of conditions are likely to be made by such systems
Why not enter account binding to a phone number and add a captcha as a bonus to reduce the amount of spam? Of course, this will not get rid of the problem, but still, I think, will reduce the number of bots.

As theymos once said, "there's more chance of hell freezing over". Does requiring a phone number stop all the fake g-mail/facebook/twitter bots/accounts being made? Nope. There are people who's business it is to sell phone numbers just for this purpose, but the people who are going to abuse accounts here will just keep abusing them still by buying multiple sim cards or using such spam services I already mentioned, so all you're doing is just annoying all the other genuine users who don't want to give out their telephone number to be able to use a web forum. Also, there is already a captcha here but it's not very good. I wouldn't be against new users having to fill out a captcha for their first couple of posts though but again, they can easily be bypassed and are annoying for genuine users.

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July 19, 2018, 04:01:16 PM
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I think after a while there will be no such spam! Since some bounty managers create their own platforms and even forums for their campaigns! And there will already be other rules! The only question is, will the followers of managers go to their forums?

There is another option! Remove multi-accounts! My opinion, it is because of them that many shitposts are created! Because with 5-10 accounts it is impossible to write different constructive posts! with 1 account, yes, but the rest is to write posts like: A good project, Join airdrop, Good luck with you it.d
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July 20, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
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All signatures should be disabled irrespective of the rank. Let us have some meaningful discussions here then.
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July 20, 2018, 08:38:17 AM
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Instead of disabling signatures, you just have to set your own rules such as only Members and above can join, or vice versa. Considering that those Junior Members are generating income coming from Services section, in which those campaigns pay them Bitcoin. It's all about control on which ones are eligible to join signature bounties to assure quality posting. Just my two sats.

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July 20, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
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i suggest to reset everthing in zero.even legendary accounts.not all legenadary accsr.are.helpful many of them arw garbeage aeticle

This is my point too. Because some of these guys were already legendary members before the new rule does not mean that they are great or better posters. Some have remained at default merit even till now but they still earn well. What can be done here on that?

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July 20, 2018, 10:24:07 PM
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i suggest to reset everthing in zero.even legendary accounts.not all legenadary accsr.are.helpful many of them arw garbeage aeticle

It would take some time for you to become a Legendary ranked member and with that amount of time i think a person can learn about something unless you are a bot. If they were throwing garbage into this forum for sure they were now tagged and given sanctions by the DTs. They were here early and that is some sort of a bonus for them.

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July 20, 2018, 11:14:07 PM
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What about changing the paying mode for signature campaigns, why should you pay a legendary or a hero shit poster more and pay a jr or member with a quality posts less amount? Why not making it based on the quality of the posts? and for the spam, unconstructive posts just pay nothing and ban the shitty poster from your future campaigns if he keeps posting shit for 2 or 3 weeks
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July 21, 2018, 09:44:10 AM
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What about changing the paying mode for signature campaigns, why should you pay a legendary or a hero shit poster more and pay a jr or member with a quality posts less amount? Why not making it based on the quality of the posts? and for the spam, unconstructive posts just pay nothing and ban the shitty poster from your future campaigns if he keeps posting shit for 2 or 3 weeks

Because the pay scales are based on the size of the signature you have and those get larger then higher the rank you have. Shitposters shouldn't be getting paid at all, but lazy campaigns don't care about anything other than their advert being spammed everywhere. Besides, what campaigns pay is out of the hands of the forum and up to the individual campaigns. If they want to pay all ranks the same they can, but this probably won't happen for obvious reasons.

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July 21, 2018, 11:42:08 AM
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Let's do this before the board is beyond help.
I think even better to bring back a form of decentralised noob jail.
100 merit to post on the main boards at all and junior boards for all the rest.
Instead of wasting time reporting the never ending ocean of spam and shilling and bots... it would be better to visit the junior boards now and then and do something positive like merit any good new posters and read what they have to say.
I don't feel good reporting negative shit that will do no good anyway but it does feel good to give some merit to good posts or those making an effort to help others on the board.

The old noob jail was okay but it was too restrictive and it was a lot of hassle for the mods. This way is just like a decentralised noob jail which would encourage a higher level of posting.

stopping them having sigs is good but it will not stop bots spamming and shilling icos all over the main board. Some of these ico shilling threads are just full of zero merit accounts that just repeat what the first reply says over and over.

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July 22, 2018, 07:36:36 PM
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i suggest to reset everthing in zero.even legendary accounts.not all legenadary accsr.are.helpful many of them arw garbeage aeticle

It would take some time for you to become a Legendary ranked member and with that amount of time i think a person can learn about something unless you are a bot. If they were throwing garbage into this forum for sure they were now tagged and given sanctions by the DTs. They were here early and that is some sort of a bonus for them.

The bonus is not a bonus, but I could become a legend by talking in a MISCELLANEOUS! And I would not have learned anything new!
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July 22, 2018, 07:43:55 PM
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What about changing the paying mode for signature campaigns, why should you pay a legendary or a hero shit poster more and pay a jr or member with a quality posts less amount? Why not making it based on the quality of the posts? and for the spam, unconstructive posts just pay nothing and ban the shitty poster from your future campaigns if he keeps posting shit for 2 or 3 weeks

Because the pay scales are based on the size of the signature you have and those get larger then higher the rank you have. Shitposters shouldn't be getting paid at all, but lazy campaigns don't care about anything other than their advert being spammed everywhere. Besides, what campaigns pay is out of the hands of the forum and up to the individual campaigns. If they want to pay all ranks the same they can, but this probably won't happen for obvious reasons.

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