Disable signatures/bounties til a user reaches full member status.

[Jet Cash]

Hello brothers,

It seems this forum is getting more strict with new measures which does not favor most of us.
Bitcointalk forum is for all of us and i think everybody must have their freedom,

If this will be implemented it will affect to all jr members. Just like me, that all i want is to help others and earn money as well.

Thank you for posting this because i feel relieved and say what i want to say.

Let us run through this post.

- I'm not your brother. We haven't met or had any interaction, so I'm not even your friend.

- Bitcoin Talk is becoming more strict and does not favour most new members because they are taking the piss ( to use the vernacular).

- Bitcoin Talk is not for all, it is for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts

- Freedom is for people who don't abuse society. If you breach the accepted standards, you get locked up or worse in most societies.

- If you want to help others, then stop posting. Destroying established structures is not 'earning' money.

- Please could you relieve yourself elsewhere.

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[caotringhia]

The deterrent to the Jr. Member in bounty campaigns will greatly affect those who actually follow the rules.

[bitart]

The deterrent to the Jr. Member in bounty campaigns will greatly affect those who actually follow the rules.

If we restrict newbies and jr. members to wear signatures, the forum will lose a lot of traffic, which could downgrade it's rank e.g. in a google search, so there's no 100% good solution, unfortunately...

[caotringhia]

If we restrict newbies and jr. members to wear signatures, the forum will lose a lot of traffic, which could downgrade it's rank e.g. in a google search, so there's no 100% good solution, unfortunately...

I think the forum should strictly manage the use of multiple accounts to participate in the campaign, not to prevent the Jr.Member involved. That will affect many aspects.

[olumyd]

Hello brothers,

It seems this forum is getting more strict with new measures which does not favor most of us.
Bitcointalk forum is for all of us and i think everybody must have their freedom,

If this will be implemented it will affect to all jr members. Just like me, that all i want is to help others and earn money as well.

Thank you for posting this because i feel relieved and say what i want to say.

Let us run through this post.

- I'm not your brother. We haven't met or had any interaction, so I'm not even your friend.

- Bitcoin Talk is becoming more strict and does not favour most new members because they are taking the piss ( to use the vernacular).

- Bitcoin Talk is not for all, it is for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts

- Freedom is for people who don't abuse society. If you breach the accepted standards, you get locked up or worse in most societies.

- If you want to help others, then stop posting. Destroying established structures is not 'earning' money.

- Please could you relieve yourself elsewhere.

Spoken like a true brother (OK..., wait..., you're not my brother either... Lol).

BTW, I agree with everything Jet Cash has said, however, dissing the little guy (by rank), is no way to help him walk. And yeah I know, tough love, right? (if any).

But the fact of the matter is that the forum has become a dumpster for shitposters and they've been trooping in their numbers of late, simply because they can earn with signatures.

If we take out signature campaign it could solve that problem. But then again, orienting campaign managers on requesting their bounty hunters to do their reports outside BTT, especially that of social media campaigns, is also important.

What's left is people who have something genuine to say. While not everyone is articulate, eloquent or 'elegant' in speech or writing, we should all be given an equal amount of opportunity to grow - and that shouldn't be abused by either party (by the learned and the 'learning').

We talk about the future of crypto, this doesn't just apply to mass adoption by merchants and tech giants or even the government. It also covers how we (crypto enthusiasts - both old and new)  learn about this vast and disruptive technology.

To wrap it up, it's high time BTT has an AI module to filter posts before they are posted. Especially redundant commentaries such as 'good project'...  and the likes.

[mazdafunsun]

The main reason I am adding bounties into this post is due to the overwhelming amount of users who apparently cannot read. I try to get users to use google forms in bounty campaigns when I decide to run 1, but users insist on not reading a bounty thread and just posting their tweets and shares in the bounty thread, creating a bunch of useless spam. Should there be penalties for this? My personal opinion is idk. It could go either way honestly.

I think that it is a no brainer, just ban them from the campaign. I have seen that some bounty managers are doing the same, the usage of google forms is a good way to keeping the thread clean otherwise it just becomes a sea of reports. And forces bounty threads up for no reason.

Regarding the " full Member rule" , dont you think that it could force another type to spam to start growing - bounties can tell users to iclude their ICo in the post?

[Welsh]

Regarding the " full Member rule" , dont you think that it could force another type to spam to start growing - bounties can tell users to iclude their ICo in the post?

As in advertising within the post? Yeah, that wouldn't be allowed, and the posts would be at the very least removed. Advertisements on threads are only accepted in rare circumstances on particularly substantial threads, and I believe it requires theymos' approval too.

[mikejack]

The deterrent to the Jr. Member in bounty campaigns will greatly affect those who actually follow the rules.

If we restrict newbies and jr. members to wear signatures, the forum will lose a lot of traffic, which could downgrade it's rank e.g. in a google search, so there's no 100% good solution, unfortunately...

I am glad that at least someone over here has seen the reality of what is going to happen.

[mazdafunsun]

Regarding the " full Member rule" , dont you think that it could force another type to spam to start growing - bounties can tell users to iclude their ICo in the post?

As in advertising within the post? Yeah, that wouldn't be allowed, and the posts would be at the very least removed. Advertisements on threads are only accepted in rare circumstances on particularly substantial threads, and I believe it requires theymos' approval too.

Yes, I understand that it would not be allowed but as in case of low quality posts, could the mods keep up with it? This is just a speculations since we would know only if this kind of restrictions would be implemented.

[mr.creampie]

Post history should be check before accepting participants because if this dumb idea will be implemented only those people which have been here for years would benefit and that wont happen because  theymos wont allow it to happen.Forum which is centralized would be contradicting to what the real purpose of bitcoin and other cryptorcurrencies in the first place.

edit : merit is fine as long as these merit souces wont hoard their smerits.

[coinlocket$]

Post history should be check before accepting participants ~

Some managers don't look at the trust and you think they should look at the post history? It will never happen, they want (some managers or ICO managers) only more spam possible on the forum to advertises their product.

[MrDongyy]

Leave the ICO Announcements in this forum, for the bounty to create another forum (for example: bountytalk), where you will receive reports on the work done! By signature use bitcointalk!

[hilariousetc]

Post history should be check before accepting participants because if this dumb idea will be implemented

Well the trouble is they don't do this. If they did this then we wouldn't have a sig spam problem in the first place.

Forum which is centralized would be contradicting to what the real purpose of bitcoin and other cryptorcurrencies in the first place.

This forum is centralised. It is a private forum owned by individuals and there are moderators here who enforce rules and ban people who break them. If you want a decentralised forum then you're in the wrong place. I really wish someone would create one though and see what a mess it would be when everyone is responsible for moderating what they can see.

edit : merit is fine as long as these merit souces wont hoard their smerits.

Merit sources have no need to hoard it. And speaking of merit abuse hoarding, is your wife Ms.cumshot?

Mr and Mrs Creampie Cumshot.

[MrGGates]

I have a tips for this forum, the problem many shitposter and many people also farming, account is that this conference can upgrade their security?Right now only detect 1 ip address , 1account  it is now tighter in every 1 device, account 1  like you detect any account of device which, login possibly it could reduce shitposter, farmers and accounts because now is found account. connected to one another.

Maybe it is still difficult, but hopefully this can reduce, problems in this forum because i see too many spamer, shitposter and it is all because every person has more than 1, account that is why i recommend to detect device that uses the account.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If we restrict newbies and jr. members to wear signatures, the forum will lose a lot of traffic, which could downgrade it's rank e.g. in a google search, so there's no 100% good solution, unfortunately...

Hi mate, I don’t know on what forum you have been recently but newbies and jr members signatures have been disabled since january and the forum hasn’t lost a lot of traffic. They can buy a copper membership but most of them don’t do.

I have to say though, that I’ve always defended that too drastic measures would affect the traffic, this is not a matter of opinion but of empirical evidence.

We are talking about going further, maybe disabling signatures until full member would be a big step but if they were disabled until member status I’m sure a lot of traffic wouldn’t be lost.

[hilariousetc]

If we restrict newbies and jr. members to wear signatures, the forum will lose a lot of traffic, which could downgrade it's rank e.g. in a google search, so there's no 100% good solution, unfortunately...

Hi mate, I don’t know on what forum you have been recently but newbies and jr members signatures have been disabled since january and the forum hasn’t lost a lot of traffic. They can buy a copper membership but most of them don’t do.

I have to say though, that I’ve always defended that too drastic measures would affect the traffic, this is not a matter of opinion but of empirical evidence.

We are talking about going further, maybe disabling signatures until full member would be a big step but if they were disabled until member status I’m sure a lot of traffic wouldn’t be lost.

You know what, I didn't even realise Juniors couldn't have a clickable signature since then. I swear I've still seen Juniors with them. I'm a strong proponent of removing signatures completely from lower ranks and also requiring at least one merit to become a Junior, but I don't think it would effect traffic one bit. People come here en mass to join signatures and bounties and something tells me they're not going to give up just because they can't have a signature straight away or need to earn one merit. People have to put in the time and effort to rise through the ranks anyway and you can only do this with activity and merit so users have to wait and stick with it in order to get anywhere, but this is how it should be to stop the colossal amount of abuse that is going on and I don't think people should be able to come here and join a signature campaign straight away, especially if they're a shitposter with little to no interest or knowledge of bitcoin.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

You know what, I didn't even realise Juniors couldn't have a clickable signature since then. I swear I've still seen Juniors with them.

I think most likely they were either copper members as well junior members or there was/is a bug.

By the way, can you look at this?

If we have people getting paid without clickable signatures, we are going to keep getting lots of spam.

[btcsmlcmnr]

I think most likely they were either copper members as well junior members or there was/is a bug.

By the way, can you look at this?

If we have people getting paid without clickable signatures, we are going to keep getting lots of spam.

Copper members can not join bounties before ranking up to Junior members, right?
I guess they often has not get the same payment rates as of Junior rank by simply spending small amount of bitcoin to buy Copper Member rank.

[hilariousetc]

I think most likely they were either copper members as well junior members or there was/is a bug.

By the way, can you look at this?

If we have people getting paid without clickable signatures, we are going to keep getting lots of spam.

Copper members can not join bounties before ranking up to Junior members, right?
I guess they often has not get the same payment rates as of Junior rank by simply spending small amount of bitcoin to buy Copper Member rank.

Many people can join bounties even at Newbie and Junior level, and all that takes is 30 activity which can be achieved in as little as two weeks, but it's the signature campaigns that they'll want and there are some that pay specifically for Copper rank and usually at the same rate as Members as Copper membership gives you the benefits of being a Member (which I'm assuming means their signature size):

Available paid memberships:

    Copper - 0.00208333 BTC: Allows you to post images even if you are a newbie, reduces the time-between-actions limit, and provides some of the same benefits as being of natural Member rank.

[TheQuin]

You know what, I didn't even realise Juniors couldn't have a clickable signature since then. I swear I've still seen Juniors with them. I'm a strong proponent of removing signatures completely from lower ranks and also requiring at least one merit to become a Junior, but I don't think it would effect traffic one bit.

It was implemented right before the Merit system was.

Jr Members can no longer have signature links.

At the time I assumed with the objective of excluding them from signature campaigns but that didn't work as they just use text versions of the URL. I think Google's crawler must still see it as a backlink so it is still worthwhile to advertisers.