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July 10, 2018, 09:48:37 PM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.
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July 10, 2018, 11:16:53 PM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.

Hopefully we'll be experiencing that bull in few days ahead, and I am still positively having strong dedications to hold all the coins that I got. Everything is possible with bitcoin and those chances that other people who were trading at wrong points, had missed out their bigger chance to benefit from this current price large fluctuations which means profit after all. We need not to have and end of our tale here, but the most important strategies to have right now is our goal to become much stronger, and never just judge the trend right aways because it may give us good surprises unexpectedly.
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July 10, 2018, 11:45:42 PM
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Great analyzation, and its true that they take profit so they can buy more in this deep market. I see the previos trend as a real pump not until right now it dumps rapidly up to $6300 level. Hope those giant guys will come back soon so we will not be lower than support level again.
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July 11, 2018, 03:50:33 AM
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you are overthinking things specially since you think it is one person controlling the bitcoin market with its $4 billion daily volume!

We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800.
the rises in July has never been "steep". there is only which you can call "steep" and that is the rise after falling below $6800 and the rise had nothing to do with manipulation, this type of "jump back up" happens when price goes below a certain strong buy support and it is happening because it is "buy support" which means people are buying there and have their eyes on that price to jump in.

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He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300
it dropped back down because of the last day's news about $10-20 million hack of some exchange and most probably because the altcoins were getting dumped hard because of that news (it was an altcoin exchange).

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July 11, 2018, 11:18:32 AM
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Thinking only one guy increases and decreases the price is bullshit. You have no proof but just your imagination.
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July 11, 2018, 11:39:27 AM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.

It only means that the market is volatile and those people who sell their coins earlier which makes the price of bitcoins to dump are just not good enough to handle the pressure in the market.
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July 11, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
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The manipulator = bots (controlled by whatever entities) respecting resistance points.

I think it's safe to say that the market this year has more than ever been controlled by bots rather than retailers. The market right now is far too calculated and stable in comparison to how the market was behaving last year. This is the direct result of professionals entering this space and probably will control and stabilize it further in the forthcoming years, especially if they manage to squeeze retailers out of their positions which is only a matter of time.

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July 11, 2018, 07:03:22 PM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.

I assume the manipulator is an organization where all of them plans how would they move bitcoin as for their perspective income. Price manipulation cannot be done by only one person so I think it is a organization with full of businessmen and millionaires that has so much money they manipulate the price of a certain product, asset or investment as they wanted to, I really think price manipulation exist because if it doesn't then speculating or predicting the value would much more easier.



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July 11, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
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Fortunately for those who have taken advantage of such a situation, within a few days they have made a fortune by re-buying at such a low price now, the price drops because of the many coins they sell to buy again at a very low price, excellent pricing strategy used them, especially the hacking news that is happening right now is making a hit back at $ 6,300, so lucky I followed in his footsteps.

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July 11, 2018, 07:29:22 PM
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 This is definitely not a one man thing.
There is way too much volume

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July 11, 2018, 11:06:15 PM
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Then who's this guy you are blaming that's manipulating the market? actually we have the same idea but mine it's not a single person alone but they are group.

I'll stop thinking whoever is that person or who they are.

What you have to do is to ride with it so if ever the market drops again, pull some bucks on your pocket and start buying.

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July 11, 2018, 11:17:10 PM
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If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.
A single whale can't move the entire market like this so we can assume few bitcoin based investment funds are behind this swings. To have strong bull run like last year, we need to have multiple positive news out in the market where newbie investors start to pour their money with FOMO and other whales will fuel it more buy pushing price even higher.

Bitcoin holds speculative value so it is related with traders emotion, right now every traders have lost their will to invest more. We are still in bear market.
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July 11, 2018, 11:35:48 PM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.
I see stupidity 101 here. Your view of the market is horrifying at the very least. Not everyone gets profits and not everyone gets profit at the same level. People expect different things from the market, and they make their trades accordingly. You must know that the prices increase or decrease due to demand and supply and come and meet at one point called as market equilibrium with equilibrium price and equilibrium quantity. Learn economics, you'll understand.


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July 11, 2018, 11:46:48 PM
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We have seen 4 steep rises since july 1 from 5800 to 6800. It was our cute manipulator obviously. He rised price and after 10 days price dropped from 6800 to 6300 , everybody wonders why but it was a profit realisation. He sold whatever he collected and gained profit. We have seen similar moves at last months but all that minor trend's bottoms finished lower then previous bottom, so last intermediate trend was bearish before july. What we see on this 10 day minor trend is different, new bottom 6300 is higher than previous bottom 5800. If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.

No.....

How do you know the "manipulator" wasn't trying to keep a lid on price? How could you tell whether the market ran over the "manipulator", or if he succeeded? You can't. That's why I don't focus on these made-up boogeymen.

The market is an organism. Any one participant can be negated by another at any time. You're asking, "What will the manipulator do next?" But you should be asking, "Who is out position, bulls or bears? Which direction will cause the most pain?" The market is all about causing maximum pain to as many people as possible.

The "manipulator" mentality is well-suited to that. Most traders are in pain, losing money, most of the time. When they lose more money, they turn around and blame the "manipulator" instead of doing proper TA and managing their risk. Wink

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you are overthinking things specially since you think it is one person controlling the bitcoin market with its $4 billion daily volume!
with a simple move you can trigger bots and they do the rest for you, manipulators are expert at this type of moves, they know how to trigger them.He is controlling huge amount of money but i dont say all that money is belong to him. We cant know this, we can just see how he controlls how he moves

the rises in July has never been "steep". there is only which you can call "steep" and that is the rise after falling below $6800 and the rise had nothing to do with manipulation, this type of "jump back up" happens when price goes below a certain strong buy support and it is happening because it is "buy support" which means people are buying there and have their eyes on that price to jump in.

dont say that i cant see steep rises just look at that green dildos

it dropped back down because of the last day's news about $10-20 million hack of some exchange and most probably because the altcoins were getting dumped hard because of that news (it was an altcoin exchange).
i know people are affected from news but manipulators use this kind of news as a moving time. He just wait a bad news for a drop or a good news for a rise. A lot of time in btc's history it rised or dropped without a news.
Thinking only one guy increases and decreases the price is bullshit. You have no proof but just your imagination.
thanks for your kindness, you can read my articles that gives info about how to cath manipulative moves.
i cant give picture of that man but i can say these moves are manipulative.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4543408.0 MAG 1
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4560873.0 MAG 2
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4598560.0 MAG 3
unfortunately they are in local lang but i know you can read.

This is definitely not a one man thing.
There is way too much volume
Have you heard butterfly effect ?

Then who's this guy you are blaming that's manipulating the market?
Michael Jackson, definitely

If we assume this cute guy sold all his btcs he has fiat now and can start his steep rises in a few days. So we can expect a bullish intermediate trend is borning.
A single whale can't move the entire market like this.
Bitcoin holds speculative value so it is related with traders emotion, right now every traders have lost their will to invest more. We are still in bear market.
Of course a single whale cant , they combine their forces, they know how to be strong, if you are good at your job you know other people like you find them and join them, thats what they do. They control our emotions, bear or bull they choose what is easiest, they create moves for market and market follows them. They are like catalysts in chemical reactions. We follow them and cause a bigger wave.

You can look at here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3326533.0
for my comment on i rise that people were thinking too pinky about rising and you know how it ended

You must know that the prices increase or decrease due to demand and supply and come and meet at one point called as market equilibrium with equilibrium price and equilibrium quantity. Learn economics, you'll understand.
thanks for the information that everybody knows.

How do you know the "manipulator" wasn't trying to keep a lid on price? How could you tell whether the market ran over the "manipulator", or if he succeeded?
i know it seems weird, but there are ways to follow him, i have articles about analysis of this , they are not english and not finished but will start them in English and post till that day you can follow me  Kiss


we shouldnt talk too much about his next move , he can see us and cancel it, sshh!
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July 12, 2018, 06:26:46 AM
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you are overthinking things specially since you think it is one person controlling the bitcoin market with its $4 billion daily volume!
with a simple move you can trigger bots and they do the rest for you, manipulators are expert at this type of moves, they know how to trigger them.He is controlling huge amount of money but i dont say all that money is belong to him. We cant know this, we can just see how he controlls how he moves
i am not denying existence of manipulation and manipulators. i am saying you are overthinking it and exaggerating their power and effects.

the rises in July has never been "steep". there is only which you can call "steep" and that is the rise after falling below $6800 and the rise had nothing to do with manipulation, this type of "jump back up" happens when price goes below a certain strong buy support and it is happening because it is "buy support" which means people are buying there and have their eyes on that price to jump in.
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dont say that i cant see steep rises just look at that green dildos
i didn't say you don't see green bars, i said those green bars are not "steep".
each of these are still small rises although they look big when you zoom in and look at them only. the first rise which is the biggest is a jump back above the buy support line which is natural when price falls below it, has little to do with manipulation. and a $300 rise in $6300 seems big but it is only 4% rise which is nothing for bitcoin.

if you want real "green dildos" then take a look at April 12 where price went up 20% in less than 4 hours. and followed by a 45% rise in 2 weeks.

it dropped back down because of the last day's news about $10-20 million hack of some exchange and most probably because the altcoins were getting dumped hard because of that news (it was an altcoin exchange).
i know people are affected from news but manipulators use this kind of news as a moving time. He just wait a bad news for a drop or a good news for a rise. A lot of time in btc's history it rised or dropped without a news.
again, i am not saying there is no manipulation, but i say you are exaggerating the small movements that are the natural course of the small bitcoin market with lots of weak hands in it.
something like the drop below $10k was a clear manipulation where price wanted to stay above that strong buy support but large quantities of bitcoin were constantly being dumped on the orderbooks to push the price down and put pressure on it until it breaks down.
now we are just at the bottom with a lot of fear and a lot of accumulation at the same time.

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July 12, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
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i didn't say you don't see green bars, i said those green bars are not "steep".
steepness is based on angle , that bars are steep , yes they are not big but thats not our subject here, manipulators use steep moves to trigger bots and humans , free market doesnt do this kind of moves much often , so you can easily cath a manip with these bars.
 I ve already explained these on my articles , will translate eng asap.
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July 12, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
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The manipulator = bots (controlled by whatever entities) respecting resistance points.

I think it's safe to say that the market this year has more than ever been controlled by bots rather than retailers. The market right now is far too calculated and stable in comparison to how the market was behaving last year. This is the direct result of professionals entering this space and probably will control and stabilize it further in the forthcoming years, especially if they manage to squeeze retailers out of their positions which is only a matter of time.

Bitcoin knocked on the door of wall street and now we'll get it in full glory.
Stability is just one of many strategies. Rich people from wall street gradually get full control over bitcoin and then can do anything with it. Stability is only needed for bitcoin to be used as a currency. But such a task is not for speculators. They make a lot of money on instability. The more bitcoin falls in price now, the more it will rise later.
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Wow, that's interesting. Seems many of us didn't realize that, well i didn't though. That's one beauty of the crypto market. You dont realize whenever the moon time is approaching because you continue to anticipate higher even with the kittle pump. Welk, if this is the organic proce that we need to start from the maybe we're good now. Let's hope for a better price soon.

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July 12, 2018, 04:05:37 PM
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Thinking only one guy increases and decreases the price is bullshit. You have no proof but just your imagination.
Are you crazy, How this possible in only one guy rule the crypto market. All the investors and miners are major role in Crypto pump and dump so we don't predict anything in bearish market. But this year we should expect some good move on November so stay hold the crypto investment.

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