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April 13, 2024, 12:57:38 PM
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Man, black will not become white just because you call it that, just like Jambler will not cease to be a tool for creating a mixing business. Since 2018, Jambler has not changed the concept of its business, and has never provided services to ordinary users who want to mix bitcoins.

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April 13, 2024, 01:22:23 PM
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Man, black will not become white just because you call it that, just like Jambler will not cease to be a tool for creating a mixing business. Since 2018, Jambler has not changed the concept of its business, and has never provided services to ordinary users who want to mix bitcoins.
Hopefully theymos will give some clarification about this mixing condition.

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April 13, 2024, 01:37:58 PM
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 #143

To put an end to this discussion, I can say that after 3 months of this post (I think it was March 1), I again asked the admin about the status of Jambler, and since then nothing has changed (Jambler is a tool that was created in 2018, the concept of which remained unchanged). If someone is trying to live in a parallel reality that is beneficial to them, then that’s not my problem.

Jambler is not itself a mixer, so it'll be allowed. (It's pretty borderline, though, so I might later reevaluate whether it's exploiting a loophole which should be closed.)

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April 13, 2024, 07:21:25 PM
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since then nothing has changed
It just changed:
Previously, I was under the impression that Jambler was merely a software or platform provider, like Wordpress or AWS. But after reviewing it more closely, it meets the definition of a mixer as written. My mind was especially changed when I saw this diagram from their website:


The diagram clearly shows that Jambler is the actual mixer. They issue the "letters of guarantee", they send the BTC directly to the final customer, etc. The partners are just lightweight proxies in front of the true mixer, which is Jambler. Jambler "has a feature advertised for taking property, improving its privacy somehow, and then returning roughly the same type of property", and it meets the other two criteria, so it's a mixer.

(Maybe you could make the case that Jambler's actual customers are its partners instead of the final end-users, but even in that case Jambler is acting as a mixer for its partners. Jambler is the one doing the mixing. So it's still a mixer in either case.)

Since I had previously ruled that Jambler did not meet the definition of a mixer, and I've now changed my mind, there will be a short grace period: Jambler will be wordfiltered (and otherwise treated as a mixer) starting on April 22.

As with other banned mixers, please do not interpret this as a moral judgement. I'm not saying that Jambler is or is not bad.

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April 16, 2024, 09:24:03 PM
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@Jay Johanson and @icopress,
I don't know if you plan to migrate to another forum, maybe it would be good to do it before April 22 and publish relevant info about the new Jambler ANN. I assume that this thread will end up in the archive, but it will still be available in search.

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April 16, 2024, 09:43:36 PM
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@Jay Johanson and @icopress,
I don't know if you plan to migrate to another forum, maybe it would be good to do it before April 22 and publish relevant info about the new Jambler ANN. I assume that this thread will end up in the archive, but it will still be available in search.
I've already taken care of this: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=320473.0

As soon as Op is there he will edit this thread.

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