Are these posts deserve so much merits ???

[Cryptosandy1987]

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Here most of the members are writing with their best ability and get 1 or 2 merits for their post. Some members get 50 merits for one post from one person only, it is beyond my thinking...

There should be some limit for members to give merit to another member for one post
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Second, the post which has been received the merits more than 20 or any big no., that post should be checked by the admin members for their quality.


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  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487784.msg41965290#msg41965290

He will get 6 merits for saying "THANK YOU"

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[TryNinja]

Don't forget to include links. [image direct link]

Jayjay04 also sent 50 merits to pacman7331 for this post, which he used to send 27 merits to willdono - along with Jayjay04's other 50 merits - for this post.

Looks pretty suspicious to me.

[Cryptosandy1987]

Don't forget to include links. [image direct link]

Jayjay04 also sent 50 merits to pacman7331 for this post, which he used to send 27 merits to willdono - along with Jayjay04's other 50 merits - for this post.

Looks pretty suspicious to me.

yes I agree with your observation, they merited to those posts, which are not worth for so much merit.

[Retty]

I've just touched upon a similar topic in a thread i made a short time ago, where i have suggested there are things happening with senior members ASWELL as newbies.

While i stopped short of saying it, this indeed was one of the things that was at the forefront of my mind. I've seen this happen multiple times now and both the sender and the receiver are complicit in this and its BLATANT abuse of the system.

Don't get me wrong here, i know its only a tiny percentage of Sr Members, but i hope they are rightfully punished.

If you're going to be dishonest, then surely you'd be a little more subtle about it wouldn't you! 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

There should be some limit for members to give merit to another member for one post

There is--it's 50.  Most members these days don't give out that many for the simple fact that only merit sources usually have that many sMerits.  I've received quite a few sMerits since January, but I couldn't give 50 merits for a single post now if I wanted to, or if I waited until I'd gotten 100 merits.  Note that I've "only" earned 445 merits since January, which translates to four 50-merit, lump-sum grants if I was so inclined to give them.  People were able to do that early on when sMerits were airdropped, but I think these days it's become uncommon, and that's the beauty of the system.

This is why Theymos has discouraged DT members from tagging suspected merit abusers.  The system will take care of itself over time, and it's not worth getting your feathers ruffled when you see huge merit grants.  In addition, some of the most obvious abuse will still get the involved parties a tag from a DT member.   

[Jet Cash]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

[vphasitha01]

What post would be worth 50 merits?

It's happening in ANN threads where actually most of the underworld Merit abusers still rocks without any punishment.

Check these merit stats of chandra12. The way that member distribute his/her merits just like Newton's third law "every 50 Merits what you got should sent in 25 sMerits per post"

[Jet Cash]

Well that is why I think that no post in the ANN section should be able to receive any merits. It turns the whole merit system into a joke imho.

[vphasitha01]

Well that is why I think that no post in the ANN section should be able to receive any merits. It turns the whole merit system into a joke imho.

I'm also think in that way,

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So where can we just write request?
From the last week we have spoken about several and serious matters:
1.- The meta board being contaminated by banned requests and merit seekers, cryers, et al.
2.- The creation of a new kind of merit source.
3.- The serious discussion matter has been pointed before, if my memory serves me good, by AverageGlabella.
4.- The creation of a childboard to accounts issues (by Silent 26).

5.- ANN threads should not be awarded with merits
6.- The posts in the ANN threads should not count as activity
7.- System to be implemented to inquire and take actions against (at least large scale) merit abuse
8.- Merit source applicant should not award any merits for  their thread just for appreciations.
9.- English language posts should not allowed in local boards( may be this is tricky one, but we need to think about why actually admins initiate local boards at the first place)

but others... specially love to hearing from "Theymos". Seems like he is in some kind of inactive mode when it comes to the Merit abuse scenarios.

[Piggy]

The system will take care of itself over time, and it's not worth getting your feathers ruffled when you see huge merit grants.  In addition, some of the most obvious abuse will still get the involved parties a tag from a DT member.    

That is absolutely true, on the long run these cases will become rarer and disappear. In any case there is always that kick in the gut sensation when you see them.

Perhaps could it be taken into consideration to actually check just those people who actually rank up, instead of following up huge merit transactions alone?
I remember the hadling of this case was quite effective and easy:
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4508271.0

[digaran]

These are blatant misuse of merits and they should be punished, maybe they're alt accounts of DT members and that's why they are not receiving any negative trust? nobody knows. meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

[Piggy]

meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

Yes that is clear, but that i can think of, they get no advantages whatsoever till they rank up and their merit history is always going to be visible.

[xtraelv]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

I can think of two for sure:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg28#msg28 Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum! by Satoshi

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.msg1643833#msg1643833 and in my opinion the best post on the entire forum: Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)

[olumyd]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror.

[Jet Cash]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror.

demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster.

[olumyd]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror.

demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster.

Not everyone should be given the rights to demerit. I believe some within this community have been able to rise up in ranking in a fair and square manner. Mods have a way of tracking the performances of those with merits and those without. If a person doesn't use his merit well, or is suspected of crowning an alt/friendly account in order to level up, such an account and that of the 'abusive meriter' should be penalized by either lowering their ranking or depriving them from having same merit levels from the previous month.

In fact, I strongly believe that if the system had a way of de-ranking, people will become more cautious about how they behave in the forum - merit-wise and otherwise.

[RAMSHIVDEEPAK]

So what, Admin will not do anything with above reported account. Moderator/amin should do some meaningful action  against those and post it publicly,so In future members will fear of action for doing such type of  merit trade.

[olumyd]

So what, Admin will not do anything with above reported account. Moderator/amin should do some meaningful action  against those and post it publicly,so In future members will fear of action for doing such type of  merit trade.

Exactly, when people see the hung witch, they'll fear the practice of magic. Most people know that these complains become garbage themselves, and so, since nothing will be done, they'll continue with this wrong. IMO, I'd suggest a comprehensive list of those who are performing within the stipulated guidelines for the merit awarding system.

[DdmrDdmr]

The issue with this sort of abuse in large chunks is that it stands out, denting the moral/conceptual goals of the Merit System.

The good news is that this (I believe) is a practice that is less common as time goes by (for multiple reasons). Infact, it is getting to be rather uncommon to see posts merited with 20 or over sMerits in a single TX.
If we take a look at the period of time going from the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018 (to focus on a recent window), these are the TXs for 20 sMerits or above:

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amount  converted_date             FromId  FromName          ToId    ToName                   post_title                                                                      PostURL
50   2018-07-02 01:41:21.000  176810  benthach          1208438 thenextking              Re: What are the potential risk in joining an airdrop?                          https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465
50   2018-07-12 19:42:11.000  21577   Ente              24140   qwk                      Re: Bitcoin & die Steuer - FAQ                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976285.msg19673755#msg19673755
50   2018-07-01 06:23:34.000  648651  fanatic26         392563  chandra12                [AIRDROP] YOYOW [BOUNTY]✅✅✅✅                                                    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3139057.msg41217165#msg41217165
50   2018-07-01 15:02:43.000  315650  Dogedigital       2188816 nessie.io                Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876
50   2018-07-04 19:36:23.000  202602  chek2fire         1267993 Leteravian               Πρότυπo δημιoυργίας πίνακα                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4596709.msg41487910#msg41487910
46   2018-07-11 08:04:26.000  1320011 Jeremiesaranza    965234  dumbtool45               Re: [ANN] [ICO] SCRINIUM🔥 The future of portfolio investment                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2484536.msg37902368#msg37902368
46   2018-07-04 12:54:02.000  176128  bgpsq             1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: What are the most common uses of Bitcoin?                                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2281388.msg34650713#msg34650713
45   2018-07-02 23:53:02.000  905193  Napole0n          921087  Tukang Becak             Re: what is the future of virtual currency like bitcoin ?                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2413780.msg39634835#msg39634835
36   2018-07-11 09:02:07.000  1393407 JaoBadjap         1509249 Dyanggok                 Re: Newbie Welcome Thread                                                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg28317972#msg28317972
32   2018-07-03 00:52:35.000  934658  Konthol Ngaceng   921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Is Bitcoin price ready to touch the moon..??                                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3295344.msg40667764#msg40667764
31   2018-07-05 22:02:57.000  367083  minerx117         927785  EWBF_                    Re: EWBF's Cuda Equihash Miner                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4466962.msg40058212#msg40058212
28   2018-07-02 23:51:03.000  916082  _Legendary_       921087  Tukang Becak             Re: How foolish are people who invest in Bitcoin?                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2589880.msg39142728#msg39142728
27   2018-07-04 00:53:45.000  921229  King Sastro       921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Money for school fees. Invested in bitcoin.                                 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832349.msg39142907#msg39142907
26   2018-07-04 04:32:18.000  929505  Bondho Kompeni    921087  Tukang Becak             Re: Government and Bitcoin                                                      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035614.msg38238340#msg38238340
25   2018-07-01 15:09:23.000  316957  AcoinL.L.C        338580  CrazyCraig               Re: Moneypot: Powered by Monster Byte                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg40683210#msg40683210
25   2018-07-04 12:52:05.000  392563  chandra12         1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: Why you Still believe in Bitcoin?                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3206467.msg34192008#msg34192008
25   2018-07-04 04:30:17.000  908780  Senja Kemuning    921087  Tukang Becak             Re: its not about how much you invested, its when you should invest?            https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267595.msg39140799#msg39140799
25   2018-07-08 19:26:09.000  255027  criptix           2189580 anunymint                                                                                                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.msg41317345#msg41317345
24   2018-07-12 21:29:20.000  346449  botany            321816  belcher                  Re: [ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use                   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg10096489#msg10096489
24   2018-07-01 15:07:30.000  338580  CrazyCraig        2188816 nessie.io                Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876
23   2018-07-04 12:26:27.000  916051  Sir Paijoe        921087  Tukang Becak             Re: 7 REASONS WHY: which one are you?                                           https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3766385.msg37533176#msg37533176
22   2018-07-11 09:03:31.000  1509249 Dyanggok          1393407 JaoBadjap                Re: Newbie Welcome Thread                                                       https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg26055138#msg26055138
20   2018-07-10 06:27:04.000  902444  vivland           1320011 Jeremiesaranza           Re: Bitcoin will hit 25k by the end of this Year?                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3313706.msg34724425#msg34724425
20   2018-07-07 20:24:43.000  234771  suchmoon          334783  seoincorporation         Re: I've just invented dMerits.                                                 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619367.msg41711944#msg41711944
20   2018-07-11 00:42:26.000  255027  criptix           134226  Nestade                                                                                                  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638379.msg41921753#msg41921753
20   2018-07-04 05:05:15.000  661316  mandica           2180275 XSPEC-team               Re: [ANN] Spectrecoin (XSPEC) | Untraceable Tx | Tor Integration                https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434053.msg39594362#msg39594362
20   2018-07-11 11:11:56.000  98986   TMAN              1000199 krogothmanhattan         Re: [REFERENCE]  BREACHED or SCAM COINMAKERS LIST                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg34617121#msg34617121
20   2018-07-11 11:12:17.000  98986   TMAN              346731  minerjones               Re: [INFO]  Looking for all maker's public address lists                        https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2022902.msg20155309#msg20155309
20   2018-07-01 21:24:15.000  405889  SyGambler         764113  Bit-Exo.com              Re: [ANN] [PoS] BXO BitExo Casino-⚡PoW Ended⚡🚀🚀                               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2296264.msg23299007#msg23299007
20   2018-07-01 21:23:17.000  405889  SyGambler         764113  Bit-Exo.com              Re: █~★~█ Bit-Exo.com █~★~█ Dice,Plinko,Roulette Moneypot powered Bitcoin casinohttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359320.msg13834689#msg13834689
 

The quantity is small, being that of 30 TXs for 20 or more sMerits. Amongst the above list, there a completely legit cases and merit abuse cases I’ve seen reported on other threads.

The overall TX merit distribution for the same period (the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018) is:
50           5
[40..49]   3
[30..39]   3
[20..29]   19
[10..19]   82
[5..9]   294
[1..4]   2944

So all in all, individual TXs of a high amount are very few cases, so those TXs that are constituent of merit abuse are a drag by comparison, but small in the overall scheme of things.

[Jet Cash]

This could be because merit abusers are becoming more sophisticated. Ten awards of 5 merits is still an award of 50, but it may not be as obvious,