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July 16, 2018, 05:38:30 PM Last edit: July 17, 2018, 05:09:27 PM by Cryptosandy1987 |
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1. 2. 3. Here most of the members are writing with their best ability and get 1 or 2 merits for their post. Some members get 50 merits for one post from one person only, it is beyond my thinking... There should be some limit for members to give merit to another member for one post or Second, the post which has been received the merits more than 20 or any big no., that post should be checked by the admin members for their quality. One more https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4487784.msg41965290#msg41965290He will get 6 merits for saying "THANK YOU"
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Cryptosandy1987 (OP)
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July 16, 2018, 05:50:31 PM |
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yes I agree with your observation, they merited to those posts, which are not worth for so much merit.
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July 16, 2018, 06:01:24 PM |
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I've just touched upon a similar topic in a thread i made a short time ago, where i have suggested there are things happening with senior members ASWELL as newbies. While i stopped short of saying it, this indeed was one of the things that was at the forefront of my mind. I've seen this happen multiple times now and both the sender and the receiver are complicit in this and its BLATANT abuse of the system. Don't get me wrong here, i know its only a tiny percentage of Sr Members, but i hope they are rightfully punished. If you're going to be dishonest, then surely you'd be a little more subtle about it wouldn't you!
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July 16, 2018, 06:20:51 PM |
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There should be some limit for members to give merit to another member for one post
There is--it's 50. Most members these days don't give out that many for the simple fact that only merit sources usually have that many sMerits. I've received quite a few sMerits since January, but I couldn't give 50 merits for a single post now if I wanted to, or if I waited until I'd gotten 100 merits. Note that I've "only" earned 445 merits since January, which translates to four 50-merit, lump-sum grants if I was so inclined to give them. People were able to do that early on when sMerits were airdropped, but I think these days it's become uncommon, and that's the beauty of the system. This is why Theymos has discouraged DT members from tagging suspected merit abusers. The system will take care of itself over time, and it's not worth getting your feathers ruffled when you see huge merit grants. In addition, some of the most obvious abuse will still get the involved parties a tag from a DT member.
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July 16, 2018, 06:32:54 PM |
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Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.
What post would be worth 50 merits?
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July 16, 2018, 07:01:50 PM |
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What post would be worth 50 merits?
It's happening in ANN threads where actually most of the underworld Merit abusers still rocks without any punishment. Check these merit stats of chandra12. The way that member distribute his/her merits just like Newton's third law " every 50 Merits what you got should sent in 25 sMerits per post"
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Jet Cash
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July 16, 2018, 07:13:48 PM |
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Well that is why I think that no post in the ANN section should be able to receive any merits. It turns the whole merit system into a joke imho.
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July 16, 2018, 07:41:59 PM |
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Well that is why I think that no post in the ANN section should be able to receive any merits. It turns the whole merit system into a joke imho. I'm also think in that way, ... <snip> ... So where can we just write request? From the last week we have spoken about several and serious matters: 1.- The meta board being contaminated by banned requests and merit seekers, cryers, et al. 2.- The creation of a new kind of merit source. 3.- The serious discussion matter has been pointed before, if my memory serves me good, by AverageGlabella. 4.- The creation of a childboard to accounts issues (by Silent 26).
5.- ANN threads should not be awarded with merits6.- The posts in the ANN threads should not count as activity7.- System to be implemented to inquire and take actions against (at least large scale) merit abuse 8.- Merit source applicant should not award any merits for their thread just for appreciations. 9.- English language posts should not allowed in local boards( may be this is tricky one, but we need to think about why actually admins initiate local boards at the first place) but others... specially love to hearing from "Theymos". Seems like he is in some kind of inactive mode when it comes to the Merit abuse scenarios.
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Piggy
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July 17, 2018, 05:24:38 AM |
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The system will take care of itself over time, and it's not worth getting your feathers ruffled when you see huge merit grants. In addition, some of the most obvious abuse will still get the involved parties a tag from a DT member.
That is absolutely true, on the long run these cases will become rarer and disappear. In any case there is always that kick in the gut sensation when you see them. Perhaps could it be taken into consideration to actually check just those people who actually rank up, instead of following up huge merit transactions alone? I remember the hadling of this case was quite effective and easy: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4508271.0
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July 17, 2018, 07:32:39 AM |
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These are blatant misuse of merits and they should be punished, maybe they're alt accounts of DT members and that's why they are not receiving any negative trust? nobody knows. meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.
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July 17, 2018, 07:59:17 AM |
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meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.
Yes that is clear, but that i can think of, they get no advantages whatsoever till they rank up and their merit history is always going to be visible.
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July 17, 2018, 08:35:38 AM |
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Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.
What post would be worth 50 merits?
I can think of two for sure: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5.msg28#msg28 Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum! by Satoshi https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.msg1643833#msg1643833 and in my opinion the best post on the entire forum: Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)
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olumyd
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July 17, 2018, 10:55:21 AM |
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Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.
What post would be worth 50 merits?
Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror.
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Jet Cash
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July 17, 2018, 11:06:43 AM |
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Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.
What post would be worth 50 merits?
Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror. demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster.
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olumyd
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July 17, 2018, 11:18:48 AM |
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Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.
What post would be worth 50 merits?
Well, administrators should begin an algorithm for demeriting posts that have been overrated, it's a decentralized ecosystem after all. If we continue this way, we just might sink into the abyss of horror. demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster. Not everyone should be given the rights to demerit. I believe some within this community have been able to rise up in ranking in a fair and square manner. Mods have a way of tracking the performances of those with merits and those without. If a person doesn't use his merit well, or is suspected of crowning an alt/friendly account in order to level up, such an account and that of the 'abusive meriter' should be penalized by either lowering their ranking or depriving them from having same merit levels from the previous month. In fact, I strongly believe that if the system had a way of de-ranking, people will become more cautious about how they behave in the forum - merit-wise and otherwise.
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RAMSHIVDEEPAK
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July 17, 2018, 11:23:30 AM |
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So what, Admin will not do anything with above reported account. Moderator/amin should do some meaningful action against those and post it publicly,so In future members will fear of action for doing such type of merit trade.
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olumyd
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July 17, 2018, 11:28:49 AM |
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So what, Admin will not do anything with above reported account. Moderator/amin should do some meaningful action against those and post it publicly,so In future members will fear of action for doing such type of merit trade.
Exactly, when people see the hung witch, they'll fear the practice of magic. Most people know that these complains become garbage themselves, and so, since nothing will be done, they'll continue with this wrong. IMO, I'd suggest a comprehensive list of those who are performing within the stipulated guidelines for the merit awarding system.
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July 17, 2018, 12:36:07 PM |
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The issue with this sort of abuse in large chunks is that it stands out, denting the moral/conceptual goals of the Merit System. The good news is that this (I believe) is a practice that is less common as time goes by (for multiple reasons). Infact, it is getting to be rather uncommon to see posts merited with 20 or over sMerits in a single TX. If we take a look at the period of time going from the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018 (to focus on a recent window), these are the TXs for 20 sMerits or above: amount converted_date FromId FromName ToId ToName post_title PostURL 50 2018-07-02 01:41:21.000 176810 benthach 1208438 thenextking Re: What are the potential risk in joining an airdrop? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2375142.msg24228465#msg24228465 50 2018-07-12 19:42:11.000 21577 Ente 24140 qwk Re: Bitcoin & die Steuer - FAQ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976285.msg19673755#msg19673755 50 2018-07-01 06:23:34.000 648651 fanatic26 392563 chandra12 [AIRDROP] YOYOW [BOUNTY]✅✅✅✅ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3139057.msg41217165#msg41217165 50 2018-07-01 15:02:43.000 315650 Dogedigital 2188816 nessie.io Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876 50 2018-07-04 19:36:23.000 202602 chek2fire 1267993 Leteravian Πρότυπo δημιoυργίας πίνακα https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4596709.msg41487910#msg41487910 46 2018-07-11 08:04:26.000 1320011 Jeremiesaranza 965234 dumbtool45 Re: [ANN] [ICO] SCRINIUM🔥 The future of portfolio investment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2484536.msg37902368#msg37902368 46 2018-07-04 12:54:02.000 176128 bgpsq 1320011 Jeremiesaranza Re: What are the most common uses of Bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2281388.msg34650713#msg34650713 45 2018-07-02 23:53:02.000 905193 Napole0n 921087 Tukang Becak Re: what is the future of virtual currency like bitcoin ? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2413780.msg39634835#msg39634835 36 2018-07-11 09:02:07.000 1393407 JaoBadjap 1509249 Dyanggok Re: Newbie Welcome Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg28317972#msg28317972 32 2018-07-03 00:52:35.000 934658 Konthol Ngaceng 921087 Tukang Becak Re: Is Bitcoin price ready to touch the moon..?? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3295344.msg40667764#msg40667764 31 2018-07-05 22:02:57.000 367083 minerx117 927785 EWBF_ Re: EWBF's Cuda Equihash Miner https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4466962.msg40058212#msg40058212 28 2018-07-02 23:51:03.000 916082 _Legendary_ 921087 Tukang Becak Re: How foolish are people who invest in Bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2589880.msg39142728#msg39142728 27 2018-07-04 00:53:45.000 921229 King Sastro 921087 Tukang Becak Re: Money for school fees. Invested in bitcoin. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2832349.msg39142907#msg39142907 26 2018-07-04 04:32:18.000 929505 Bondho Kompeni 921087 Tukang Becak Re: Government and Bitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1035614.msg38238340#msg38238340 25 2018-07-01 15:09:23.000 316957 AcoinL.L.C 338580 CrazyCraig Re: Moneypot: Powered by Monster Byte https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345394.msg40683210#msg40683210 25 2018-07-04 12:52:05.000 392563 chandra12 1320011 Jeremiesaranza Re: Why you Still believe in Bitcoin? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3206467.msg34192008#msg34192008 25 2018-07-04 04:30:17.000 908780 Senja Kemuning 921087 Tukang Becak Re: its not about how much you invested, its when you should invest? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267595.msg39140799#msg39140799 25 2018-07-08 19:26:09.000 255027 criptix 2189580 anunymint https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4579834.msg41317345#msg41317345 24 2018-07-12 21:29:20.000 346449 botany 321816 belcher Re: [ANN] Joinmarket - Coinjoin that people will actually use https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919116.msg10096489#msg10096489 24 2018-07-01 15:07:30.000 338580 CrazyCraig 2188816 nessie.io Nessie.io - Exchange with Seamless Access to Digital Wallet & Gaming Services https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4438798.msg39657876#msg39657876 23 2018-07-04 12:26:27.000 916051 Sir Paijoe 921087 Tukang Becak Re: 7 REASONS WHY: which one are you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3766385.msg37533176#msg37533176 22 2018-07-11 09:03:31.000 1509249 Dyanggok 1393407 JaoBadjap Re: Newbie Welcome Thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1358010.msg26055138#msg26055138 20 2018-07-10 06:27:04.000 902444 vivland 1320011 Jeremiesaranza Re: Bitcoin will hit 25k by the end of this Year? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3313706.msg34724425#msg34724425 20 2018-07-07 20:24:43.000 234771 suchmoon 334783 seoincorporation Re: I've just invented dMerits. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4619367.msg41711944#msg41711944 20 2018-07-11 00:42:26.000 255027 criptix 134226 Nestade https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4638379.msg41921753#msg41921753 20 2018-07-04 05:05:15.000 661316 mandica 2180275 XSPEC-team Re: [ANN] Spectrecoin (XSPEC) | Untraceable Tx | Tor Integration https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434053.msg39594362#msg39594362 20 2018-07-11 11:11:56.000 98986 TMAN 1000199 krogothmanhattan Re: [REFERENCE] BREACHED or SCAM COINMAKERS LIST https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3315347.msg34617121#msg34617121 20 2018-07-11 11:12:17.000 98986 TMAN 346731 minerjones Re: [INFO] Looking for all maker's public address lists https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2022902.msg20155309#msg20155309 20 2018-07-01 21:24:15.000 405889 SyGambler 764113 Bit-Exo.com Re: [ANN] [PoS] BXO BitExo Casino-⚡PoW Ended⚡🚀🚀 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2296264.msg23299007#msg23299007 20 2018-07-01 21:23:17.000 405889 SyGambler 764113 Bit-Exo.com Re: █~★~█ Bit-Exo.com █~★~█ Dice,Plinko,Roulette Moneypot powered Bitcoin casinohttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1359320.msg13834689#msg13834689 The quantity is small, being that of 30 TXs for 20 or more sMerits. Amongst the above list, there a completely legit cases and merit abuse cases I’ve seen reported on other threads. The overall TX merit distribution for the same period (the 1st of July 2018 until the 13th of July 2018) is: 50 5 [40..49] 3 [30..39] 3 [20..29] 19 [10..19] 82 [5..9] 294 [1..4] 2944 So all in all, individual TXs of a high amount are very few cases, so those TXs that are constituent of merit abuse are a drag by comparison, but small in the overall scheme of things.
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July 17, 2018, 01:24:55 PM |
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This could be because merit abusers are becoming more sophisticated. Ten awards of 5 merits is still an award of 50, but it may not be as obvious,
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