Are these posts deserve so much merits ???

[Cryptosandy1987]

A lot of discussions has been come up and some members also gave the valuable suggestions for preventing this. So this is my humble request to admin to do at least some action for these type of case or make some rules.guidelines for these cases.

In my opinion, this suggestion is the best solution till now...

demeriting is a bit of a rocky road, and could cause even more abuse. A simple alternative is to remove any merit associated with a post deleted by a mod or the original poster.

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[suchmoon]

I've said it about a million times (give or take 999990): sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If there is other proof of these accounts being alts or in some sort of collusion - that could be considered merit abuse. Or if the merit activity prompts someone to dig into it and uncover other shady activities by these accounts - that's great too. Other than that we should not get carried away analyzing these merit transactions no matter how egregious it looks.

[digaran]

I've said it about a million times (give or take 999990): sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If there is other proof of these accounts being alts or in some sort of collusion - that could be considered merit abuse. Or if the merit activity prompts someone to dig into it and uncover other shady activities by these accounts - that's great too. Other than that we should not get carried away analyzing these merit transactions no matter how egregious it looks.

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

[suchmoon]

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

You're right, 5 doesn't cut it. I'll consider adjusting it to 6 or 7.

[BestSSS]

Turning the forum into a trade merits that's all that it shows!!! With the introduction of the new system, people stopped moving up the ranks, so this result!
It bought services, I guarantee it! get 100 merit for the usual message is unrealistic. People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point - and here corruption on the face - it is necessary to take away ranks from such donors of merits!

[ippolits]

People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point - and here corruption on the face - it is necessary to take away ranks from such donors of merits!

I do not think there in any function in SMF to remove rank from a member all together. Banning is the only solution.

[suchmoon]

People spread masterpieces and do not get even 1 point

I have reviewed your post history and couldn't find any such masterpieces. Do you have any examples?

[friends1980]

These are blatant misuse of merits and they should be punished, maybe they're alt accounts of DT members and that's why they are not receiving any negative trust? nobody knows. meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

You invent new rules, you will see yourself confronted with people who find ways to avoid these rules.

Satoshi could tell you all about this.

[coinlocket$]

Well I could give 50 merits to a post, but I can't conceive of one that is worth that much. I've only found half a dozen that I've awarded with 5. I think I gave 10 to seoinc, but that was for him to make some awards in the Spanish community.

What post would be worth 50 merits?

So far I've found only 1 post worth as 50 merit or even more.
A free, hand made 110 pages book about Bitcoin.
This one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3207777.msg33319420#msg33319420

[xtraelv]

Yes I agree with you not. giving somebody 20 merits is not an excuse, it's simply being lazy ass merit source, or giving 5 merits to every single post you come across and like is also being lazy.
That's on you, if you want to keep meriting people like that. but sending merits to ANN threads or garbage posts is not OK. again this might be another of many double standards of our dear DT members. if some of the DT members have tagged people for similar merit transactions they should tag them all especially after they get to know about such cases.

It really depends on your interpretation. I recently got 50 merits for a post here: Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies on bitcointalk

I was really pleased. Not so much about the merits themselves - but who it was from !

I make no secret of the fact that I am interested in crypto exchanges and have investments in DEX technology.

This dude chatted with Satoshi on here this forum and ran the second fiat (cash) for BTC exchange service in 2010 !

It is quite upsetting seeing ANN threads getting up in the merit rankings for what I see as the cause of the spam in the first place.I complained about that here:  Should ANN and services threads be excluded from the merit system ?

It is nice to see when some topics that I care about make it on the top merited lists so more people get to read it.

[Gdra467]

Tragically, others can argue that these posts were awarded their merits fairly. There is no way to measure 'quality' universally but most of us might deem some posts not worthy of the merits they've been awarded. We can only report and just "hope" we make a case. In my opinion these posts don't deserve a single merit. People will always skirt around new rules. Initially I thought merits should not come so easily but some of these reports at the meta section make me think otherwise. Let's help to collectively nip such abuses in the bud.

[suchmoon]

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How?

[Gdra467]

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How?

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to be an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Moderators are busy enough as it is. They are not going to really pursue merit abuse on it’s own, since there are no clear explicit rules on the matter in terms of prohibition. People can red tag the cases, but that is about the extent of it. The same goes for Merit Sources really.
Anyhow, if you place a limit of 5 sMerits per TX for scrutiny to take place, then merit abusers will just do it by means of more TX of less amount per TX, so to stay under the radar.

[xtraelv]

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How?

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

It really doesn't matter. The worst abusers will get tagged by the DTs

If they are a shitposter their account will eventually get banned and all the merit is gone.

If they are not a shitposter then it probably doesn't matter that much.

Eventually all the big airdropped merit will be gone and the merit process will work like it is designed.

[suchmoon]

I suggest that merit sources and/or moderators be given a special autonomy to review "huge" number of merits before these merits are awarded to the beneficiaries. For example: merits above 5 could be reviewed and deemed appropriate by moderators/merit sources before they are approved and "dispatched". It's definitely going to an arduous task trying to create a link between two accounts involved in a merit abuse. It is better to make sure it doesn't happen at all.

I would prefer that merit abusers spend their abusive merits as quickly as possible in 20s or 50s or whatever, and the problem will solve itself. These are still mostly airdrop merits. They are unlikely to earn new ones, not in such amounts anyway.

Anyone should be able to spend their merits any way they see fit, short of PROVABLE misconduct, such as sending merit between alts. There is already a limit of 50 per user per month - if that seems too high we can petition theymos to reduce it but at this time I don't see a particular need to do so.

[hotforblockchain]

meriting garbage posts with 50 or 31 or 27 is a blatant merit abuse.

Yes that is clear, but that i can think of, they get no advantages whatsoever till they rank up and their merit history is always going to be visible.

I am relatively new here but I have already noticed some other huge merit senders and i i agree with the author of this post, that this kind of merit transactions are outrageous.
I have been thinking of posting something similar about some " interesting" merit transactions but i have not yet thought of effective an good way to show these transactions.

And here is merit database which was made by other user  :
 https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1wM2Op6_ol8_0iP0sDEemIGr9weKvIeLPvKsKMpFy#rows:id=1
That means than merit history is going to be visible forever.