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October 06, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
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Edit again.. meh....


Edit, Best ideas on how to avoid scammers.



I would like to let everyone know about a trade between Virtrom and myself. I have paid 50% of the price for a used 32 GB Touchpad with case. He has received the Bitcoin and will be shipping it to me. Once I have the Touchpad I will send him the remaining amount. I hope this post will help us both get good ratings here for doing bitcoin trades in the future. Thank you.





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October 06, 2011, 02:05:46 PM
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i have pay him 15 btc for an hp touchpad

the rest of the ammout i want pay after i see it is shipped

he send me a shipping number and mean i must pay now but on that number i see nothing usps say that number is inconcret.

after 6 days he tell me i become no touchpad and he never get my btc back

that man is a scammer the police have all informations.......
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October 06, 2011, 02:13:23 PM
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What?
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October 06, 2011, 05:57:36 PM
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Who is Virtrom?  Link to original thread?

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October 07, 2011, 01:16:23 AM
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He is from this thread.  I send him bitcoin and he said he would have sent me a tracking number and post in this thread by now but he has not.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47061.msg560544#msg560544

I hope that I did not get scammed....

If this does fail I will post all of our private messages.
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October 07, 2011, 01:23:20 AM
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Low post count - check
no rep - check
no proof of ownership/shipping - check
previous claim on being a scammer - check

You would be really lucky not being scammed after all that..
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October 07, 2011, 01:24:53 AM
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He is selling things in other threads. 700$ worth of new egg cards and the like. How does the thread deal with people like this?
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October 07, 2011, 03:28:42 AM
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I lost 2 BTC to him. Scammers can be so petty.

Paypal is looking outright tame compared to this fraud rate.
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October 07, 2011, 04:04:34 AM
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Well looks like I got scammed. yeah I dont like Ebay and Paypal but this is not a useable system right now. What is the point of having bitcoins if you cant use them to buy anything?? Is there a better way to sell and buy things? I mine at 7ghz a sec so I have a some money invested in this and I was about to expand. Unless I can see how this is a workable system I think I will get out...
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October 07, 2011, 04:31:40 AM
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Spending BTC on goods from an unknown merchant is risky without escrow.

One might incorrectly assume that low-ticket items are less of a scam target, but there is so little consequence that thieves will think nothing of taking your pocket change.
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October 07, 2011, 04:40:29 AM
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Where is this escrow service you are talking about? Thank you.
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October 07, 2011, 05:35:38 AM
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Clearcoin was a reputable escrow, but they closed up.

MtGox should probably host a site like that, since they seem to be the most trusted Bitcoin-related entity.

The project could also benefit from a market forum with the same ID requirements to sell as MtGox requires for large transactions, to add accountability. Buyers wouldn't need ID, since they're the vulnerable party and are shouldering all the risk during a transaction.
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October 07, 2011, 05:37:33 AM
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Ha. Got this PM today;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47114.0


wirehead, I hope you are joking about MtGox being the most trusted entity...

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October 07, 2011, 05:51:51 AM
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Well looks like I got scammed. yeah I dont like Ebay and Paypal but this is not a useable system right now. What is the point of having bitcoins if you cant use them to buy anything?? Is there a better way to sell and buy things? I mine at 7ghz a sec so I have a some money invested in this and I was about to expand. Unless I can see how this is a workable system I think I will get out...

There are no chargebacks, which means you either need to buy from someone you can trust, or use an escrow. And either an escrow service you can trust, or a trusted person. Exactly the same as cash. It seems like a hassle, but actually it's not. While buying from individuals, trust ratings, forum reputation, etc. are good guides. I've spend more than a thousand BTCs on goods and never got scammed.
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October 07, 2011, 06:05:59 AM
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really guys?  I run reputable bitcoin businesses you could of sent your bitcoins to but you chose to send money to people you don't know and have no way of getting compensated for? 

People like you are why so many people are getting scammed here.

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October 07, 2011, 06:28:04 AM
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wirehead, I hope you are joking about MtGox being the most trusted entity...

Maybe a Bitcoin dev can host an escrow service again. They seem to be preoccupied, though.
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October 07, 2011, 06:39:22 AM
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wirehead, I hope you are joking about MtGox being the most trusted entity...

Maybe a Bitcoin dev can host an escrow service again. They seem to be preoccupied, though.

This really needs to be done.

really guys?  I run reputable bitcoin businesses you could of sent your bitcoins to but you chose to send money to people you don't know and have no way of getting compensated for? 

People like you are why so many people are getting scammed here.

So what is this business that is so reputable? You website is under construction and no, I wont get involved in anyone related to gambling.













Are there really no good ways to buy goods with bitcoins?  Is this not a huge flaw in the system? I have bitcoins, I want to use them... I cant... Why am I doing this again?
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October 07, 2011, 06:46:54 AM
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really guys?  I run reputable bitcoin businesses you could of sent your bitcoins to but you chose to send money to people you don't know and have no way of getting compensated for? 

People like you are why so many people are getting scammed here.

So what is this business that is so reputable? You website is under construction and no, I wont get involved in anyone related to gambling.

I fixed the profile url's if that is what you are referring to and no they are not under construction a couple are in beta but code complete.

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October 07, 2011, 06:56:53 AM
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really guys?  I run reputable bitcoin businesses you could of sent your bitcoins to but you chose to send money to people you don't know and have no way of getting compensated for? 

People like you are why so many people are getting scammed here.

So what is this business that is so reputable? You website is under construction and no, I wont get involved in anyone related to gambling.

I fixed the profile url's if that is what you are referring to and no they are not under construction a couple are in beta but code complete.

It is helpful that your link now works. Can you point to a thread where people have used this and have commented on it? Should not be hard to do if it is reputable. Also I don't see how this would have helped us. You would have sent him the money before he shipped it to me right? I am I missing something?
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October 07, 2011, 07:15:24 AM
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really guys?  I run reputable bitcoin businesses you could of sent your bitcoins to but you chose to send money to people you don't know and have no way of getting compensated for? 

People like you are why so many people are getting scammed here.

So what is this business that is so reputable? You website is under construction and no, I wont get involved in anyone related to gambling.

I fixed the profile url's if that is what you are referring to and no they are not under construction a couple are in beta but code complete.

It is helpful that your link now works. Can you point to a thread where people have used this and have commented on it? Should not be hard to do if it is reputable. Also I don't see how this would have helped us. You would have sent him the money before he shipped it to me right? I am I missing something?

I am not inclined to do so, feel free to use the search function.  And I was implying to only do trades with reputable members.

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