[CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly.

[TheBeardedBaby]

The guy is still up and posting. No bans apparently yet. i guess the next move, If the mods don't want to ban him, will be to ask Mitchell to add the link to his list with spam keywords. That will teach him a lesson.

[1714226407]

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[acroman08]

The guy is still up and posting. No bans apparently yet. i guess the next move, If the mods don't want to ban him, will be to ask Mitchell to add the link to his list with spam keywords. That will teach him a lesson.

looks like there is no need for that(unless the user decided to create another account to spam again) since the user is now banned(BPIP ProfHelps). I guess the mod who deleted the post I reported does not have banning privilege.

[TheBeardedBaby]

If you guys want to have fun reporting shitposters like this one:

Project is good

Just keep an eye on that one.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387145.0

[Rikafip]

If you guys want to have fun reporting shitposters like this one:

Project is good

Just keep an eye on that one.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387145.0

Looks to me like classic airdrop activity. I checked their website and they do have an airdrop going on at the moment (https://dashboard.flagnetwork.finance/airdrop) but comments on bitcointalk are not part of it, while I was pretty sure that I would find something there, some reason to get that thread nuked.

By the way, that Flag Network looks dodgy AF even without that thread bumping/whatever they are doing there, starting from most likely fake team.

[TheBeardedBaby]

If you guys want to have fun reporting shitposters like this one:

Project is good

Just keep an eye on that one.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387145.0

Looks to me like classic airdrop activity. I checked their website and they do have an airdrop going on at the moment (https://dashboard.flagnetwork.finance/airdrop) but comments on bitcointalk are not part of it, while I was pretty sure that I would find something there, some reason to get that thread nuked.

By the way, that Flag Network looks dodgy AF even without that thread bumping/whatever they are doing there, starting from most likely fake team.

Yeah, I tried to put a kind of warning to the newbies that this could look like a scam based on the current activity, I hope nobody will loose money there. So many promising project with future just got wasted and the team ran with the money, it's just sick.

[LoyceV]

I've noticed for a while now that the number of posts per week goes up. See Active users and top posters on Bitcointalk.org. There's now a huge amount of Newbies with many (bounty) posts:

Code:

1. 170 Brand new urmilarani
3. 117 Newbie asif990
4. 105 Newbie Google7744
6. 100 Newbie Saniul159
7. 98 Newbie MBR08
8. 98 Newbie umair000786
9. 97 Newbie Bdsabbir6
10. 97 Brand new hajom
11. 96 Newbie Zia77
12. 96 Brand new Shishir55
13. 94 Newbie Codir64
14. 94 Newbie SultanNasirUddin
16. 93 Newbie Fahim87
17. 92 Newbie David Dj
18. 92 Newbie Anita islam
19. 92 Newbie Blackman5050
20. 92 Newbie asif26
21. 92 Newbie Mamunkhanmr
22. 90 Newbie Xtarix Bd
23. 90 Newbie Billit$
24. 90 Newbie Uvx
25. 90 Newbie Rony125
26. 88 Newbie Dugan
27. 88 Newbie Shipon84
28. 88 Newbie Shahinbd
30. 88 Brand new sojib8292
31. 87 Brand new 325btc
32. 87 Brand new Murshalin95
33. 86 Newbie zakbhai
35. 84 Newbie Joken jo
36. 84 Newbie White.444
37. 84 Newbie LG TV
38. 83 Newbie Dreamless6677
39. 83 Newbie Sahin10
41. 81 Brand new smushi6
42. 80 Newbie Suzon79
43. 80 Newbie shagorkh55
44. 80 Newbie Baluroad
45. 80 Newbie Forceme111
46. 80 Newbie Jonaki50sa
47. 80 Brand new Candy13579
48. 79 Newbie Abi09
49. 79 Newbie Kaderbarali
50. 79 Newbie Bwt
51. 79 Newbie forid2525
52. 79 Brand new ZSD231
53. 78 Newbie Jack051
54. 78 Newbie Mohsina
55. 77 Newbie tarekmoin
56. 77 Newbie Saminurss
57. 77 Brand new Choklet436
58. 77 Brand new CryptoRakib12
59. 76 Newbie shuma45
60. 76 Newbie Best Fridge
61. 76 Newbie Shanjida78
62. 76 Newbie Santo5160
64. 75 Newbie Sojibul12
65. 74 Newbie cuptober
66. 74 Newbie johnary
67. 74 Newbie Savoyes
68. 74 Newbie samim91
70. 74 Brand new Tohidul09
71. 73 Newbie Masala
72. 73 Newbie shumon087
73. 73 Newbie Subak1
74. 73 Brand new Misty61
75. 73 Brand new mk88
76. 72 Brand new ERTYU23
77. 71 Newbie onylks786
78. 71 Newbie Sihab77
79. 71 Newbie Max701
80. 71 Newbie Rezoyan
81. 71 Newbie ruhulkuddus
83. 71 Brand new arnavdhiman
84. 70 Newbie 2314k
86. 70 Brand new Ash0199
87. 70 Brand new hridoy95
88. 69 Newbie Safu123
89. 69 Newbie Razib13
91. 69 Brand new buntygarb
92. 68 Newbie Sharmin 56
93. 68 Newbie Sema80
94. 68 Newbie Bukof1
95. 68 Newbie Kr1003
99. 67 Newbie Diya5588
100. 67 Newbie Topper10
103. 67 Brand new Cilasic
104. 67 Brand new Mehedi09
105. 66 Brand new Sajedulkarim
106. 66 Brand new Gizemra
107. 65 Newbie Jamuna67
108. 65 Newbie Paica12
109. 65 Newbie rashmikamandan
110. 65 Newbie Rohomat697
111. 65 Newbie Hassan836
112. 65 Brand new Eldore
113. 64 Newbie Shohag12
114. 64 Newbie Sojib101
115. 64 Newbie Aziz6281
116. 64 Brand new forward_habit_9365
117. 63 Newbie Snowshow
118. 63 Newbie Makisha99
119. 63 Newbie Jewel20
120. 63 Newbie Chisom78
121. 63 Newbie Aylinstar
124. 63 Brand new ajraasima4321
125. 63 Brand new SBON CP
126. 62 Newbie Rana63
127. 62 Newbie Mdmunsur0066
130. 62 Brand new Shohel46
131. 62 Brand new Jack0987
132. 61 Newbie bounty_king19
133. 61 Newbie Bri jiy
134. 61 Newbie Rubel1821
135. 61 Newbie SV band
136. 61 Newbie Md Noyon Ali
138. 61 Brand new marufdj
139. 60 Newbie Shamim84
140. 60 Newbie Bhuno420
141. 60 Newbie Mahsin13
145. 59 Newbie I97
146. 59 Newbie Mrshakil1212
147. 59 Newbie T4lit4z4hra
149. 58 Newbie Kamrul12
150. 58 Newbie omaralirajbd
151. 58 Newbie md.foridul
158. 58 Brand new T999
159. 57 Newbie Holiday5
160. 57 Newbie Bilalahmad030679
161. 57 Newbie Hula bashar
162. 57 Newbie Shakibhassansanto
163. 57 Newbie Aslam7878
164. 57 Newbie Akramulbd10
170. 57 Brand new Crypto Master#
171. 57 Brand new infotoken22
172. 57 Brand new Tome71
173. 56 Newbie Faridulme
174. 56 Newbie swarajeb
175. 56 Newbie Shojib41279018
176. 56 Newbie Dudu2.0
177. 56 Newbie Sunlite1212
178. 56 Newbie Hanif55
181. 55 Newbie Evanss
182. 55 Newbie Sulfar15
183. 55 Newbie Rizwanotl
187. 55 Brand new Khor12
188. 54 Newbie Fiza47
189. 54 Newbie Marjan2020
190. 54 Newbie hideman073
191. 54 Newbie rabbi4376
192. 54 Newbie P8pro
193. 54 Newbie Usmanhaider
194. 54 Newbie Yasin3600
195. 54 Newbie Hossain BTC
198. 53 Newbie Gegorjohan76
199. 53 Newbie Skil7skil
200. 53 Newbie koriya65
201. 53 Newbie SOZIB
202. 53 Newbie Kashif60508
203. 53 Newbie HS471987
204. 53 Newbie Any71
207. 53 Brand new golapiekhontrainy
208. 52 Staff mole0815
209. 52 Newbie Khan 20
210. 52 Newbie Irsad007
211. 52 Newbie Sabbir55555
212. 52 Newbie cat22
213. 52 Newbie Shamim96
216. 52 Brand new Twopin
217. 52 Brand new Championlover16
218. 51 Newbie namplus2711
219. 51 Newbie waseem000786
220. 51 Newbie D_Hit
221. 51 Newbie Klp1122
222. 51 Newbie Ridoyan55
223. 51 Newbie abir ialam
224. 51 Newbie Habib3344
225. 51 Newbie Ariful07
226. 51 Newbie timtum86
227. 51 Newbie Mostofa202
231. 51 Brand new Zihad09
232. 51 Brand new Master111
233. 50 Newbie afroza83
234. 50 Newbie Azgor
235. 50 Newbie dhakadhak099
236. 50 Newbie maxi786
237. 50 Newbie NuhaNurul

I used to close to the top of this list, now I'm at #137
What are the odds of some (or many) of those accounts being owned by the same bounty spammer?

[Welsh]

If you guys want to have fun reporting shitposters like this one:

Project is good

Just keep an eye on that one.. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5387145.0

I'll keep an eye on it, I know its been dealt with, and locked. However, there's usually pop up a new thread once in a while. These accounts should be reported though, more often than not they'll be banned/nuked.

What are the odds of some (or many) of those accounts being owned by the same bounty spammer?

Probably, very likely. There's probably multiple groups that are owned by one person. A lot of the bounty spammers, can often be traced back to connected accounts. When, they are owned by the same person, its usually a sickly amount of accounts connected like 20+ most of the time, sometimes even 100+.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I very often find  by chance group of accounts which recently woke up and started spamming same threads.
Those look like the old type of bumping services which delete thier post after 24 hours.
Seems like they still get paid for their useless service.

[LoyceV]

Probably, very likely. There's probably multiple groups that are owned by one person. A lot of the bounty spammers, can often be traced back to connected accounts. When, they are owned by the same person, its usually a sickly amount of accounts connected like 20+ most of the time, sometimes even 100+.

That would explain the quite sudden rise in post count. It literally went up by tens of thousands per week, and by the looks of it, most of those posts come from bounty spamming Newbies.
I've seen reports on how profitable bounty spamming is, so posting 50+ posts per week with 50+ accounts could very well mean someone employs a sweatshop that spams 500+ posts per day on Bitcointalk.

I found another peculiar thing: yesterday, I reported this insubstantial post: "Thank You". It's from a Newbie, not OP. The post was deleted, and today another Newbie made the exact same post in the same topic.
I've added the keyword to my Finding spam and scams by keyword list (still waiting for it to update).
It looks like the spam is only meant to promote a website link in their user profile. That's something I've seen happening for years.

[Rizzrack]

I've added the keyword to my Finding spam and scams by keyword list (still waiting for it to update).
It looks like the spam is only meant to promote a website link in their user profile. That's something I've seen happening for years.

It did not find all of them because they also added some dots or question marks after... so "Thank You...", "Thank You???" etc.
One even went the extra mile to change the text completely in this post

And yes, all of them have links on their profile. Most I came across appear to have links to some live sports like football, mma, rugby but with what look to be one time use domains like "england vs australia rugby [dot] com" .

So I can only assume it's not just a simple live stream

[Despairo]

User : bislom
User : finalgogo
User : prob0t

Above three users were spamming on this thread BitLucy.com 🎰 100% Deposit Match ⚽🏏🥊🏀 7 EURO Free bet 777 users! 🔥 I have reported those users to moderators too. I know very well scam isn't moderated in this forum, but it's possible if their posts got deleted since they're spreading FUD without any proof and @Royse777 already handled very well to answer their questions.

The free bet only available for pragmatic slots provider, the user already agree about the rules, but he abuse the free bet by playing in the another provider [1] He got mad after win $125 but he can't withdraw the money. Although @Royse777 could create new self moderated thread and lock the current thread, but I don't think a censorship in gambling thread is good.

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg59983072#msg59983072

[LoyceV]

Shitposters belford11 and simple999 registered 5 minutes apart, and are spamming the tech boards with this crap:

Hi!
Wow, I have also heard about this issue! Thanks for such valuable information!

Hi! Wow, I have also heard about this issue! Thanks for such valuable information!

If anyone has time to dig in and get them banned: please do

[Despairo]

If anyone has time to dig in and get them banned: please do

Let's see how it goes

Paraphrasing

The forecast for the end of the year that Bitcoin will reach $ 29,000, and Ethereum's capitalization will triple. The Finder site conducted a study based on the growth of 12 digital currencies and the comparison of 9 participants in the industry's blockbuster. According to their forecast, the growth of ETH will be 212%, BTC - 194%, and the third place Bitcoin Cash with 123%.
Kevin Lou, co-founder and strategy director for the Hong Kong company CryptAM, said that Ethereum has very good growth prospects, but at the moment the network needs to solve the problem of scaling. CryptoKitties, a game with digital kittens that allows you to acquire and breed crypto pets - something that hinders the development of the ETH network. In the near future this issue will be resolved.

Original

Bitcoin to top US$29,000 by year’s end while ethereum may more than triple, survey finds Traders and asset managers say ethereum has bright future as investors and start-ups see it as the “go-to blockchain ecosystem”. The cryptocurrency ethereum is likely to see a bigger increase in market capitalisation than bitcoin by the end of this year, a market survey has found.

Consumer product and services comparison website Finder’s survey of nine blockchain industry participants on the price trend for the world’s top 12 cryptocurrencies found that ethereum will see the biggest increase in market cap, at 212 per cent, followed by bitcoin at 194 per cent, and bitcoin cash at 123 per cent.

Paraphrasing

The largest Foxpt exchange was forced to stop its work for 72 hours because of a simple error that allowed to conduct a crypto-currency transaction twice. As a result, the exchange lost about 30BTC (270 000 $) because of dishonest users.
Officials commented this in such a way that the error was detected when users duplicated about 130 output operations. Immediately, the exchange was transferred to emergency services in order to stop withdrawal of funds. Some attackers have already returned the withdrawn funds, other warrants for withdrawal will be suspended until further investigation.
The exchange was not hacked. The amount of missing funds can not affect the activity of the exchange and users will not lose their balances.

Original

Foxbit, Brazil’s largest cryptocurrency exchange, has been down for over 72 hours, reportedly because of a bug that allowed its users to withdraw their bitcoin balances twice. The problem saw the company lose a total of 30 Bitcoins, at press time worth roughly $270,000.

Through a livestream on YouTube, the company’s CEO João Canhada and COO Luís Augusto Schiavon, revealed the bug saw its users take advantage of the exchange’s withdrawal system to duplicate 130 withdrawals. After realizing what was going on, Foxbit immediately launched an emergency maintenance mode to halt withdrawals. The maintenance mode reportedly corrupted some of its service providers’ data.

Per the company’s executives, data is now being restored, and Foxbit should be back up by March 14. Through a blog post, the cryptocurrency exchange informed its users that it wasn’t hacked, and linked back to two cold wallets to show their funds were safe.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Update: THe account was banned!

Ban avoiding accounts >

post content Twitter account > "sehargul33"

1. mrmac886 [259] 3396994 BANNED
2. khanm2020 [95] 3337410BANNED
3. info889 [93] 3440984
4. Wow001 [85] 3342790BANNED
5. gazi22 [84] 2783139BANNED
6. gazi990 [82] 2838874BANNED
7. Touheedkhan78 [70] 2389648BANNED
8. sehar2021 [58] 2837184BANNED
9. help712 [55] 2760495BANNED
10. seher2020 [37] 2762677BANNED
11. jatt733 [33] 2021973BANNED
12. miss7878 [20] 3396823BANNED
13. jannatm2020 [13] 2838872BANNED
14. Fanchy [10] 2608197
15. supersehar [10] 2839298BANNED


Proof post of a banned user mrmac886  >

● Facebook Report ●
Day 22: 10-02
Facebook Profile Link:  https://www.facebook.com/seher.gul.39566905/
- Share Link #1:   https://www.facebook.com/seher.gul.39566905/posts/1635971986795658
- Custom Post Link #1:  https://www.facebook.com/seher.gul.39566905/posts/1635972413462282

● Twitter Report ●
- Day 22: 10-02
- Twitter Profile Link:  https://twitter.com/sehargul33
- Retweet Link #1:  https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1491706211875569668?s=20&t=CnE6AqHylLo2PNfE4Ds4TQ
- Tweet Link #1:  https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1491706406671683590?s=20&t=CnE6AqHylLo2PNfE4Ds4TQ

● Instagram Report ●
- Day 22: 10-02
- Instagram Profile link :  https://www.instagram.com/sehargul8115/
- Custom Post Link #1: https://www.instagram.com/p/CZysZCyMq7j/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

● Telegram Report ●
- Day: 22
- Username link: ( @supersehar
- Telegram comments:
- Comment Link #1:  https://t.me/CryptoAirdropBounties/79345
- Comment Link #2:  https://t.me/CryptoICOIEOReviews/62436
- Comment Link #3:   https://t.me/ICOCryptoReview/47563
- Comment Link #4: https://t.me/CryptoInvestorsTips/34426
- Comment Link #5: https://t.me/BountyFriendlyCommunity/103466

Accusation post by info889

Week 4: 22 - 28 April
Twitter Profile Link :  https://twitter.com/sehargul33

Retweet
1 https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514156969384456201?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ
2.  https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514156925595885573?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ
3.  https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514566250311077891?s=20&t=gyOY2EnsJWw3n23Z7At0sQ
4. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514156969384456201?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ
5 .https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514566203473281025?s=20&t=gyOY2EnsJWw3n23Z7At0sQ
6. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1515231980715233281?s=20&t=IjzmLwtT4uHrfKviDL0lSg
7. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1515231942568026118?s=20&t=IjzmLwtT4uHrfKviDL0lSg
Tweet
1. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514157120299708419?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ
2. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514157056466554886?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ  
3.  https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514566429617668101?s=20&t=gyOY2EnsJWw3n23Z7At0sQ
4. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514566311950655491?s=20&t=gyOY2EnsJWw3n23Z7At0sQ
5. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1514157120299708419?s=20&t=4irCqHiH6Tv0xX3ISPpojQ
6. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1515232367933366280?s=20&t=IjzmLwtT4uHrfKviDL0lSg
7. https://twitter.com/sehargul33/status/1515232150748119040?s=20&t=IjzmLwtT4uHrfKviDL0lSg
 
 

Source : https://ninjastic.space/search?content=%22sehargul33%22

[seoincorporation]

What's up SpamBusters, has been a long since the last time I was active in the club. But now I would like to talk about a new kind of spam attack that we can see on the forum.

1.-Spammers posting News.
2.-Always have an image.
3.-Always have the link to the source.
4.-They ignore the replies on their threads (Bot behavior).

This new spam is some kind of High-Quality Spam, but I have detected the same behavior in these accounts:

1. MARK21 - 2289584
2. danadc - 1414197
3. wimex- 1950519
4. TheGhostMan 2417325

4 accounts with the same behavior, but I'm sure that we could find more if we search for that pattern. This is how it looks when you see their last posts...

I would bet this process is automated... but what do you think guys?

[GazetaBitcoin]

I would bet this process is automated... but what do you think guys?

I see there are posts both on international board and in Spanish local board... If you believe they are bots, then I think that best approach is to try to make 1-2 reports and see what resolution they'll be given. You can also try to give some details in the field where you can add a comment to your report - like telling the mod that the respective user reported by you may be part of a larger campaign, together with users X, Y and Z.

Probably, if your reports will be handled as Good, it can be a good sign for you to continue reporting. But if the reports remain Unhandled for a long time (1-2) weeks or if they are flagged as Bad, then probably mods will not see a real problem here.

I suggested to make only 1-2 reports at first in order to not alter badly your accuracy percentage, in case the reports are flagged as Bad (in case you care about that accuracy).

[Rikafip]

I would bet this process is automated... but what do you think guys?

Doesn't really look like a bot behavior to me, more like a low effort merit fishing technique in order to level up accounts and get into better signature campaigns. Another interesting "coincidence" is that three out of four (everyone except @wimex) accounts are in same signature campaign so it might be a good idea to check addresses they used and try to make some connections there.

Another shitty thing they do is that at first you would think that they are formatting the copy/pasted text properly but when you check the article itself it is obvious that whole topic is basically copied word for word, but they shared source link so they covered their asses. If I am you I would report their posts on that basis, just keep in mind that forum staff is reluctant to delete such topics if they have at least couple of replies. At least that was my experience so far in similar cases.

[Hispo]

Some minutes ago my Telegram went crazy with notifications due to this guy quoting and replying with nonsense ellipses.

User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=142531

Posts:

could far stretched for a couple of years and here comes the recovery on where prices starts to breaking resistances and reaching up all time high although it wont really be an assurance for it to happen anytime
thats why you should really be that wise and aware on what actions you would really be making on the time you are engaging on the market.

Recovery is inevitable but dont make yourself that much confident unless you are going for long term.

..

In any armed conflict, civilians inevitably suffer, either directly (murder, rape) or indirectly (forced evacuation from the war zone). So far, I see that Russian soldiers in the Donbass are mostly met by local residents not as occupiers, but as liberators. If you have other information, then first make sure that you are not a victim of anti-Russian propaganda.

..

I don't think that's even a good type of business for the insurance companies. For sure if someone has a gambling insurance, that gambler won't be scared of losing anymore as there's a backup that he can get money again.

Even if it's just one or two claims per year, that would be a lot of money for the insurance company and they'll for sure be abused by those gamblers that would find them as a back up.

It's not just about the privacy issue but also about the insurance company itself that could go bankrupt too quick if there are too many claims.

  I do not think that this is a bad business, rather there is no demand for it. For example, I am ready to insure anyone against gambling (and make an insurance payment much more often than twice a year), but it is unlikely that anyone will buy insurance from me, because I will not sell it to my own detriment, right? The business must be profitable, so I am ready to insure anyone for any amount, but the cost of insurance will be equal to the cost of the insured bet + 10%. That is, if you want to insure $100, then I am ready to do it for $110. It is unlikely that there will be many who want to buy such insurance  

Insurance companies are businesses and there's no dumb company would definitely be offering these things to a gambler which they do know that it would be no sense on having one.
On the thing you had mentioned then i could say its a pretty clever thing but for sure it wont really be that appealing on someone to take that insurance basing on the amount
that had been mentioned. Insurance and gambling couldnt go nor intertwine with each other because it is really just having no sense at all.
But if someone could really deal up with that then we might see these things in the future but it is unlikely imho.

...

I find this method little hard to find campaigns. I scrolled through 3 pages of yahoo's posts and i see not any signatures campaigns or bounty campaigns to join. the thing is these people are also users of this forum not just managers. they do normal posts too.
I think best way is to just go to Services and join open campaigns . for bounties there is a section for bounties too. to join a good bounty just check which bounty token is listed in exchanges then join it.

...

For Satoshi's sake...

[AnotherAlt]

Some minutes ago my Telegram went crazy with notifications due to this guy quoting and replying with nonsense ellipses.

Sorry if it's a nonsense question. I am asking because I don't know about such a Telegram Bot. How do you receive those notifications? Did he mention it on any posts? Did he quote your posts? If not, How?

[Maus0728]

@AnotherAlt

I guess @Hispo is using TryNinja's telegram bot.
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5248878.0

You could follow the direction in that thread so you can receive notification in your telegram when someone mentioned you or quoted your reply somewhere in the forum.