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August 01, 2018, 07:33:37 AM
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"All it takes for evil to win is for good men to watch and do nothing."

Hi, I just had somebody make big errors, acknowledging them and then extorting me for money they agreed to send previously for my work unless I deleted all conversation about it. Extortion is a serious crime punishable by decades of prison in every country.

This topic is for discussion on the ability of mods to ban people for committing crimes that are provable. I've sent the reported PM in, and still it says inaction. I know the mods are very good about deleting duplicate posts, and they are quick about it too, yet this has remained "unhandled" for quite some time. I have a 97% report rating over hundreds of reports, so I'm familiar with the rules. What do you all think about reporting crimes, and potential mod inaction on them?

You can read more about the extortion and etc. here, but this topic is for Meta discussion only on moderation and how it relates to the forums.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.msg43258013#msg43258013

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August 01, 2018, 07:51:55 AM
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Scams are not moderated so there is nothing to report. Payments from a campaign are between you and the campaign manager and have nothing to do with the forum. You've already opened a thread in Scam Accusations which is the correct course of action.

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August 01, 2018, 09:11:01 AM
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He's on record saying I scammed him out of $960.

He really is out of his mind.  

I'm a campaign manager who paid him for his work, and doesn't want to deal with his drama anymore.

So, I added a Legendary member that is not only more mature, but who is also a better poster.




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August 01, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
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He's on record saying I scammed him out of $960.

He really is out of his mind.  

I'm a campaign manager who paid him for his work, and doesn't want to deal with his drama anymore.

So, I added a Legendary member that is not only more mature, but who is also a better poster.




No, you agreed to reinstate me back into the campaign as well as pay me, as can be shown here. So yes, the potential profits from the campaign were scammed when you didn't hold up to the agreement you said in writing.



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August 01, 2018, 09:20:38 AM
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You can either just report a post or the private message and add further details, but this isn't something staff would get involved with. Open up a scam accusation if you really wish to proceed with this but it isn't a Meta issue.

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August 01, 2018, 09:30:14 AM
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You can either just report a post or the private message and add further details, but this isn't something staff would get involved with. Open up a scam accusation if you really wish to proceed with this but it isn't a Meta issue.
I don't know if that really scam or not.
OP open 2 threads before, first in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4795083.0 scam accusation and one in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4794752.0 reputation, i read his story but he open 2 threads about same topic in different section. I think 1 thread is enough and he come to here to ask again.

Side note : just my advice but lock one of your thread, you post picture that already post in your another thread and its looks like spam for me. You can focus in one thread so no need to post in different thread. http://archive.fo/mJOHL
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August 01, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
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You can either just report a post or the private message and add further details, but this isn't something staff would get involved with. Open up a scam accusation if you really wish to proceed with this but it isn't a Meta issue.
Thanks! I understand you don't moderate scams, but you do moderate illegal activity. Which is what criminal extortion is. Not only that, it was criminal extortion to censor me, so I imagine the btc community would be pretty upset at censorship like that. I went ahead and did that for a post which clearly is breaking some major rules, and even laws. Withholding and threatening to withhold payment he already agreed to send unless I keep silent about his bad acting. Classic extortion, and should not be allowed under any circumstance.

Unreal if this is allowed to continue and he can do it to other people. 97% accuracy across over a hundred reports, let's hope this doesn't fall into the 3% because he has friends in high places.

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August 01, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
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Unreal if this is allowed to continue and he can do it to other people. 97% accuracy across over a hundred reports, let's hope this doesn't fall into the 3% because he has friends in high places.

You've just been told this isn't a forum issue. If it isn't breaking forum rules then the moderators will not deal with it.

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August 01, 2018, 04:45:14 PM
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This guy was paid in entirety for his Week #1 of work.

He is acting like I stiffed him out of some money, which is 100% false.

So his only problem is the fact he was booted from my Campaign.

He fails to understand that I was going to boot him even if he hadn't acted up.

His post quality isn't that good, and I replaced him with a Legendary member with better quality posts.

On top of that, he is not doing the forum and favors by spamming the same thing in numerous threads.




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August 01, 2018, 05:55:43 PM
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he is a full mamber but his don't have any knowledge for bitcoin and other cryptocurrency coin. his all post is spaming post.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1979138.msg43282423#msg43282423
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August 02, 2018, 11:27:39 PM
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Unreal if this is allowed to continue and he can do it to other people. 97% accuracy across over a hundred reports, let's hope this doesn't fall into the 3% because he has friends in high places.

You've just been told this isn't a forum issue. If it isn't breaking forum rules then the moderators will not deal with it.
Committing crimes is breaking the forum rules... extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison (in USA). All other countries have anti-extortion laws. I've sent report tickets in, they are all "unhandled" right now. I'm not saying he should be put in prison or anything, but that illegal activity has occurred,  is provable, and is not being dealt with. That is a Meta (talking about the forum) issue if I've ever seen one. I'm agreeing that maybe asking for a little help on how to report somebody is not belonging in the meta thread (probs belongs in beginner and help), but now it has morphed into it. I'll change the title and stuff to make it more appropriate now. I follow all rules.



This guy was paid in entirety for his Week #1 of work.

He is acting like I stiffed him out of some money, which is 100% false.

So his only problem is the fact he was booted from my Campaign.

Jeremy, this does not discount the fact that you are extorting people for censorship, which is illegal. Also, Libertarians and the Bitcoin community hate censorship. You can't just simply say sorry for committing a crime like it never happened. Should murders be allowed to say sorry and not face punishment? You threatened me to take down my posts, or else I would not have payment you agreed to pay already. That is criminal extortion/blackmail.
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extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison (in USA).

So call the cops...

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August 02, 2018, 11:47:37 PM
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extortion is a federal and state crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison (in USA).

So call the cops...
LOL Grin if it was done in real life, sure. The capabilities of police to unmask this individual on the internet, who probably doesn't even live in the same country... they'd subpoena BitcoinTalk for information requests. There's a lot of barriers there, and I wouldn't want the police knocking down the door of a forum I like a lot, and has provided a lot for me and for many others. But if the forum isn't thwarting provable criminal activity, what has it become? What will the community turn into?
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August 02, 2018, 11:50:22 PM
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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams and personal bitching is not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if they will do something about it, which I doubt.

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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud. I believe these are rules to limit the liability of BTC from actual criminal activity and police interventions.
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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud.

Checked the DS section, have to disagree. For the "moderated" part.

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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud.

Checked the DS section, have to disagree. For the "moderated" part.
What illegal activity is going on there lol?
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As a Hero Member, you should know: Scams are not moderated. So unless something happened that puts the forum at risk, no one will do anything. However, you could contact staff and see if something happens.
Scams no, selling illegal goods and criminal activity like credit card fraud etc.? Yes, those are moderated. This is exactly the same scenario as in selling illegal goods or credit card fraud.

Checked the DS section, have to disagree. For the "moderated" part.
What illegal activity is going on there lol?

If you have to ask, it doesn't make sense to talk to you. Report your issue and see if the staff reacts.

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Is this the same Bitcasino.io evading their negative trust by registering a new account? people have scammed millions of dollars by using this forum, what makes you think anybody would care about your campaign payments?

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If you have to ask, it doesn't make sense to talk to you. Report your issue and see if the staff reacts.
I asked because I could probably show you why those things aren't "illegal". Also, I'm not sure what "DS" is an acronym for (digital goods?). Illegal things would include drugs or alcohol (without a license). Breaking ToS of companies is not "illegal" but does open whoever the seller is to civil lawsuits (like that'd ever happen, lol). So like microsoft keys aren't illegal, paypal accounts aren't illegal, discounted giftcards aren't illegal. Until there is proof they were obtained illegally, those things are not illegal and don't fall under the forum rule. However, extortion like the one noted is not only provable, it is also highly illegal in all countries.
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