Most new accounts do not contribute anything

[jackg]

Plagiarism etc can be easily handled due to the smaller numbers compared to accounts that just joined to get rich...

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  They are handled only if they are reported.

I don't think it is actually in some cases. A lot of text spinners will change some of the text but with things like examples that people use and the general layout of the post, sometimes it can be a dead giveaway that they have copied and pasted the information.

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

Why according to hilariousetc, this is obviously going to happen?
If there is a requirement to join in bounties then people will be striking up deals with each other for merits...

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[TheQuin]

Should have some trials for these bots,if they cant verify the image for 3x they should be permanently banned immediately.

I've had captchas that took me longer than that to solve.

It wouldn't be a problem for the bots either. reCAPTCHA uses tokens to verify solving the challenge. Each token is valid for 2 minutes and is accepted for any captcha on that domain. So they have a server just brute forcing captcha solves until it gets a token for bitcointalk.org and then it can be passed out to a waiting worker bot to use. You'll never see a bot failing the captcha.

[hilariousetc]

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up?  Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

Most new accounts don't seem to be conributing anything at all here. Most are just bounty hunters or people looking to sig spam because their schoolmate/workmate/cousin/sister told them they can earn here. The ones that don't make any posts are likely either nuked, proxybanned or never made it past the six minute limitations etc. If you have a bot that tries to post every few seconds but has to wait six minutes then they'll never get anywhere.

Some possible solution for this :

1) Asking for email verification. Will reduce registration with bots.

2) Deleting old accounts with no activity.

3) IP restrictions being made more tough.

Problem with these steps is that it will affect genuine users registering on the forum as well.

Wont possible theymos doesnt want these email verifications as well as KYC for the members,deleting old accounts with no activity wont change anything.
IP Restriction could be bypassed by any VPN provider i personally use one so that i would stay anonymous atleast you can also use other browsers like TOR.
Most of the new accounts coming from those members who wants to earn more money with these signature campaigns which is the main cause of spam in this forum.

Email verification is hardly KYC. I don't think I've ever joined a forum that didn't require you to verify your email. Seems a basic requirement and it would help curb a lot of bots or at least it's one more hoop for them to jump through.

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties.  We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

It would be better to take them on a case by case basis. Any shitposter with a handful of accounts could probably give himself enough merit to meet the minimum merit requirements to join, whereas a great poster just may have slipped through the cracks. If a great poster applies but hasn't got any or much merits then I don't think they should be denied.

[gilangIDR]

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up?  Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

These are things we are currently facing, this is inevitable because everyone knows that in this forum we are given the opportunity to earn income. I will not close my eyes that there is a sale and purchase transaction of a BTT account. This is the basis that nowadays more and more people are trying to make many accounts and what they have in mind is how to get a greater chance of earning income. Most of them don't give useful contributions and just make spam, but don't say that applies to everyone because there are still users who do have quality and they join this forum with the aim of gaining knowledge and experience around the world of cryptocurrencies.

[Makkara]

These new accounts can possibly even mean nuked accounts, right? While,I am seeing a lot of accounts being created and never being used, I don't see any reason for it.

for what i have seen those account, or part of them, are being used to participate in all sort of bounties, i have been controling an airdrop spreadsheet and found out many of those users in there didn't exist anymore. I seriously doubt that all those new accounts are created for no reason at all.

[kaar]

The merit requirement does prohibit most shitposters from ranking up, but it doesn't prevent them from participating in bounties.  We've had this discussion before, and it's off-topic here, but I think if those bounties would require a minimum rank OR a minimum amount of earned merits, that'd be the final nail in the shitposting coffin.

According to hilariousetc on another topic, giving a merit requirement for joining bounties will only make them want to buy merits from other sources.

In my opinion, this can be both good and bad.
Good because we can identify the unscrupulous merit source and theymos can remove their privileges accordingly.
Bad because some people who made good posts but not yet received enough merit would have to wait - so I guess its a job better left to the hands of the bounty manager

When both solutions are bad, one has to choose the better solution even if it’s far from being perfect. Yes, making a merit/rank requirement for bounty participation will create a whole new black market of merit trading (if it doesn’t already exist...). It will probably have other unwanted effects. However, it will reduce the spam. Dramatically. I believe spam is currently by far the largest and most annoying problem in BTT. Solving it should be top priority even if new issues would arise.

[TheUltraElite]

When both solutions are bad, one has to choose the better solution even if it’s far from being perfect. Yes, making a merit/rank requirement for bounty participation will create a whole new black market of merit trading (if it doesn’t already exist...). It will probably have other unwanted effects. However, it will reduce the spam. Dramatically. I believe spam is currently by far the largest and most annoying problem in BTT. Solving it should be top priority even if new issues would arise.

You have no idea of the amount of money these shitposters make from the bounties sections. Take a look the alt accounts reporting thread in "Reputation" and you will see the shitposters who became millionaires by abusing bounties with their alts. Of course every third world beggar will come to this forum to continue this legacy and get paid handsomely in return. Who would want to do a 9-5 Job for such?

Spam is a problem for the forum but its also the job of the bounty manager to keep track of such people. Most of them (except a few) dont do their job properly.

[BTCforJoe]

When both solutions are bad, one has to choose the better solution even if it’s far from being perfect. Yes, making a merit/rank requirement for bounty participation will create a whole new black market of merit trading (if it doesn’t already exist...). It will probably have other unwanted effects. However, it will reduce the spam. Dramatically. I believe spam is currently by far the largest and most annoying problem in BTT. Solving it should be top priority even if new issues would arise.

You have no idea of the amount of money these shitposters make from the bounties sections. Take a look the alt accounts reporting thread in "Reputation" and you will see the shitposters who became millionaires by abusing bounties with their alts. Of course every third world beggar will come to this forum to continue this legacy and get paid handsomely in return. Who would want to do a 9-5 Job for such?

Spam is a problem for the forum but its also the job of the bounty manager to keep track of such people. Most of them (except a few) dont do their job properly.

Would it be outrageous to red-tag the bounty managers with negative feedback for showing untrustworthy behavior by accepting obvious alts and shitposters for their campaigns? I personally find this type of behavior to be untrustworthy... They are just allowing users into their campaign to maximize visibility for their products/clients, and they blatantly turn a blind eye to shitposters and copypasta to make and pay a quick buck. Not okay, in my book.

Negative feedback doesn't deter all members from dealing with that specific account, but at least it will let bounty managers know that they need to take their responsibilities more serious.

Just a thought.

[coinlocket$]

As alt buster I can tell that a storm of accounts are created only for few posts when they join airdrops, sometimes they use the account for 1 post and after that they change the account.

[Joseph_Bennett]

Finding posts that have used text spinners are hard, and its only possible if someone reads the entire mega thread with a shitload of shitposts.  They are handled only if they are reported.

I find plagiarism easier to deal with that pure one line shitposting

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Pick a megathread in the altcoin discussion, just search for the matching text on the last 3-4 pages, report 10 or so copy-pasters till you feel you're going to get dumb just from reading that much crap, and then enjoy a beer while refreshing the modlog to see them getting banned

God...what the hell I'm doing with my life   

Funny that there are no copy/paste posts in this thread yet. No one-words replies either. I am often amazing by some of the replies I see on the forum. Sometimes people are so stupid that they literally copy the reply right about theirs and don't add anything at all. I wonder why people waste there time doing that. I don't really completely understand the benefits of having a higher post count. Even if it's greatly beneficial, it seems like you will just get caught immediately with such ineffective tactics. I agree that we could use some better clean-up measures on here.

[TheUltraElite]

Would it be outrageous to red-tag the bounty managers with negative feedback for showing untrustworthy behavior by accepting obvious alts and shitposters for their campaigns? I personally find this type of behavior to be untrustworthy...

Its the manager's choice to think whether they would accept "known alts" or SMAS known spammers into a campaign or even accept a red tagged account. If they are willing to do so then its bad for the project they are advertising but with due respect do the ICO team care about spam or do they just want to exposure?

They are just allowing users into their campaign to maximize visibility for their products/clients, and they blatantly turn a blind eye to shitposters and copypasta to make and pay a quick buck. Not okay, in my book.

Negative feedback doesn't deter all members from dealing with that specific account, but at least it will let bounty managers know that they need to take their responsibilities more serious.

Its not okay it needs rules to be controlled. If some DT members are going to a harsh stance against such managers they would be called out in the community as trying to monopolise the bounty manager business - even though its actually for the community. But if we have global rules in the forum then it is a different thing. But that wont happen anytime soon.

[finaleshot2016]

While looking and searching spreadsheets in each bounty, I was shocked that almost half of thr participants is a Jr. Member and it's a recently created accounts.

That's the reason why I keep pushing myself reporting those accounts to avoid them earning stakes in the bounty. There's a cycle behind this shitposting scenerio, If a Jr. Member was accused as a cheater and received a Red Trust, they can easily register a new account or there are reserved accounts that is ready again to spam the discussion. As you can see, only 30% of the community who takes the discussion seriously and the rest are just typical bounty hunters who want to earn huge profit by shitposting

So while thinking a solution to this, Merit system should be updated and put some Merit requirement atleast 5 merits before reaching the Jr. Member, Hmm   ?
I think the "Report to Moderator" tool is not enough because there are too many of them, Shitpost there, Shitpost here. This kind of activity is very known even in local boards.  

Regarding in the bounty managers, they don't usually check the accounts of the participants to determine if it's a bounty abusers because it's really hard to manage a Bounty campaign consist of thousand participants. For example, In sylon's bounty, Since he is a good and famous Manager, many people always join to his campaign. If there's no bounty hunting, those people will not exist in this well- organized forum.

[jointherevolution]

One does not always need to make posts. Some prefer to gain information from this forum and find answers to their question. Not all the accounts registered with the intent to post anything.

[BTCforJoe]

One does not always need to make posts. Some prefer to gain information from this forum and find answers to their question. Not all the accounts registered with the intent to post anything.

Truer words have never been spoken. It's kind of ironic, knowing that there are a bunch of lurker accounts who are here to gain knowledge; I consider these types of users to be healthy for the forums. The irony is that those good users don't often contribute, while the shitposters that are here to earn a quick buck flood the forums

[The Sceptical Chymist]

It's kind of ironic, knowing that there are a bunch of lurker accounts who are here to gain knowledge; I consider these types of users to be healthy for the forums.

Agreed.  I started out here as a lowly lurker, and at the time I thought bitcoin was some sort of scam based on the amount of scams going on here.  This was around the time that there was a bitcoin magazine being published, and I would have sworn that was going to be a scam as well.  I registered here around the time that I stopped believing that bitcoin wasn't some gigantic electronic money fad.  I didn't know what a signature campaign was until a few months into my time here.

Nowadays we've got people being referred to bitcointalk from friends and family solely for signature campaigns and bounties, and that's not a good thing.  They have zero incentive to be anything other than a shitposter.  Some of them are so illiterate that they couldn't possibly be anything other than that, and once they get banned they start again with a new account that goes undetected until it finally gets banned again.  It's sad and it's frustrating for the rest of us who aren't here for that reason.

[byteball]

How about an antidote to this along these lines:

let's make a new section "For real" where condition to participate would be similar to

1) have an old private key with a tx in 2015/2014/2013
2) have a current private key with at least 0.1BTC (a typical condition for exchanges' trollboxes)
3) ?

[finaleshot2016]

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Additional to my reply,

If you can see in the reputation section, almost of the accounts that getting red trusts are Jr. Members. There are many people creating multiple accounts that is equivalent to the stakes given in Full Member or Sr. Member on bounties.

These accounts result shitposting in the forum and spreading of toxicity in each threads and discussions.

e.g.

In signature campaign,

Jr. Member - 1 stake
Full Member - 5 stakes

Those people creates 5 accounts to match the income of the Full Member in every campaign. In our local, my goal is to diminish the bounty hunters group that abuse the bounties and send each other some bounty campaign links to gain profit. The abusive activity of bounty hunters show that they just only want money without learning any information about investments, projects and other knowledge in crypto.  

[AicecreaME]

Rather than make a long post, I will just say look at the "Archived Profiles" at the top right of https://bpip.org

A few seconds later, refresh the page - see how the number is going up?  Yes, there were (are?) that many people signing up per minute on this forum...

Most new accounts are not making any posts at all, meaning three months later they become archived.

This is a GOOD sign.  Before merit introduction, most of these profiles were making garbage posts.

We just need to wait until all the shitposter sMerit has been used up.  Then there will be NO incentive and no forum posts about bitcointalk being a "lottery win".

I strongly agree with that, the merit system that had implemented here didn't actually make a thing if we are going to look on the whole forest, there might be some who changed their post into a good quality to acquired some merits to level up their rank but the majority still didn't changed, they are contented on shit posting because they don't want to make efforts on earning merits.

I bet what is running on their minds is that, who does needs merits?, something like that, what I mean is that they could still earn on their current rank while shit posting and there are too many people with that kind of attitude.

[TheUltraElite]

I strongly agree with that, the merit system that had implemented here didn't actually make a thing if we are going to look on the whole forest, there might be some who changed their post into a good quality to acquired some merits to level up their rank but the majority still didn't changed, they are contented on shit posting because they don't want to make efforts on earning merits.

I bet what is running on their minds is that, who does needs merits?, something like that, what I mean is that they could still earn on their current rank while shit posting and there are too many people with that kind of attitude.

Those who changed posting habits would not easily get merits from posting because inherently they are shitposters and their habit of shitposting to get paid wont change by the introduction of merit in the profiles. Rather not getting merited/ranked up would make them frustrated to make more shitposts. Still merit has controlled these people from ranking up and thus demoralize these people from doing bounties. Which is a good thing.

In the long run the mentality of "free money" needs to change and thats what merit is helping to achieve. Its not something that is perfect but it is a radical measure to curb these bottomfeeders.

[stompix]

How about an antidote to this along these lines:

let's make a new section "For real" where condition to participate would be similar to

1) have an old private key with a tx in 2015/2014/2013
2) have a current private key with at least 0.1BTC (a typical condition for exchanges' trollboxes)
3) ?

We already have a serious section, Ivory Tower and the priv key requirement would just lead to another market, we had the accounts market, now the merit market, and we would have old priv key market.

There is absolutely no need for this, remove the signature in a section and no spammer will set foot there.