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[myagui]

Coinwarz just chainged their block reward display so hashes will probably drop fast now.

And yet, in the last 5 minutes since I posted my above maths, the network hashrate is actually UP to 1gh/s...

WTF?

IIRC, hashrate is extrapolated from difficulty, not the other way around. So it's a guesstimate, and will might also be reflecting on the PoW + PoS difficulty (since both produce blocks). Sorry for the short post, hope it still makes sense (gotta run!)

Happy Mining Staking!
~ Myagui

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[Matni]

Coinwarz just chainged their block reward display so hashes will probably drop fast now.

And yet, in the last 5 minutes since I posted my above maths, the network hashrate is actually UP to 1gh/s...

WTF?

IIRC, hashrate is extrapolated from difficulty, not the other way around. So it's a guesstimate, and will might also be reflecting on the PoW + PoS difficulty (since both produce blocks). Sorry for the short post, hope it still makes sense (gotta run!)

Happy Mining Staking!
~ Myagui

Ahh yeah good point, forgot to take into account it was an guesstimate.

[fuzzi]

I should know this but i don't ... do i need to do anything for POS to work? At one point i thought you had to unlock your wallet .. not sure if that is still the case. Someone please set me straight. I found the unlock minting but does that mean my wallet is not secure and encrypted? thanks

[TuxNut]

Uh, it's not 'fully' POS though, it's still hybrid.

I do wonder if the POW should be stopped though, whether by bringing the block reward back up high to still reach the targetted number of coins or just lower the number of coins.
It's just weird having 1 block reward, few will mine and MIGHT leave us open to a POW 51% attack (I remain skeptical about this).

I was talking to winevirus about that today. We could switch to POS only I just put fully POS so people don't try and mine it and become upset if they don't know there is 1 block reward then i didn't feel it was necessary for them to know

I would like some feedback to the switch to fully pos? any comments?

I think it's too early for the coin to have this hybrid security. There's going to be an insufficient number of wallets staking to keep the chain flowing at a decent speed to ensure that transactions are processed at a reasonable rate, certainly won't be running 30 second blocks on it's own. This leaves us wide open to a POW 51% attack at present as there will be very few securing the POW side of the chain.

The coin's been under attack on the exchanges from someone/thing keep dumping mass quantities of coins, which I can only assume they'd been buying in order to dump (been seeing hundreds of millions dumped @ 2 at a time when the price has risen to 3), so if they're not fussed about spending money to crash the price, chucking a smaller amount @ forking the chain on a regular basis wouldn't be a far fetched concern.

If the above is accurate, then that leaves us with three options (off the top of my head, but I know others will come up with decent ideas as well):

Option 1
Increase the block reward to ~1,000 for mining to get a reasonable hashrate to increase the cost of anyone trying to fork us, until we reach the 99bil target, by which time hopefully they'll be a sufficient number of wallet staking at any given time to keep the chain flowing nicely.

Option 2
Swtich to an X11 algo so we lower the costs for mining so the core members of the community can keep some hash power on the POW and increase the reward to ~100 coins per block.

Option 3
Increase the block time to ~2 minutes, this would give the staking more of a chance to keep the chain flowing smoothly which also giving it a chance to interrupt any POW attack on a fork while still keeping transactions at a reasonable speed and then in a few months bring it back down to a 30 second target when there are more wallets active.

As stated, this is certainly not an exhaustive list and I'm certainly no 'dev' to understand the complexities of my suggestions, I'm simply putting some ideas out there that spring to my humble (yes, I can be humble Lion so shaddup) mind

[TuxNut]

I should know this but i don't ... do i need to do anything for POS to work? At one point i thought you had to unlock your wallet .. not sure if that is still the case. Someone please set me straight. thanks

Hey Fuzz

"IF" you encrypted (set a password) on your wallet, then you do indeed need to unlock it for staking to work.
If not, then you just need to open your wallet now and then for a few hours to let any coins that are of sufficient maturity to stake themselves (it takes a few hours for them to realise they have a chance and get chosen to produce the next block).

Hope that made sense.

[YourMine.org]

You realise the block reward has now dropped to 1/Zeit so mining is now kind of redundant...

 and yet the #rate is still 0.84 GH/s  People still like to mine :-)

Yeah I know, read my post above for some comical miner maths... But is it worth you keeping the pool open? If you're making transaction fee's on hardly any transactions, is it financially viable for you to continue?

 That's a good question, but we have always given support to coins we feel are worth the effort, if people still want to mine i am happy to keep the pool open for them, if users drop to zero then sure, as for being viable not a single coin has given a cent towards pool cost's as we have not dumped a single coin on the market, in part due to the value and partly due to giving support to what we believe are long term, like noble, zeit, zed, in fact we have given coins back towards helping these coins develop.

[fuzzi]

Thanks TuxNut ... Is there a way to see if any of the coins are ready for this ... and doesn't that make me open for theft when it is unlocked and open for that time?

[TuxNut]

as for being viable not a single coin has given a cent towards pool cost's as we have not dumped a single coin on the market, in part due to the value and partly due to giving support to what we believe are long term

You should have this stated on the site. It's an awesome philiosophy to have and I'd have supported your pool more had I known you were so cool, it's hard to tell one pool from another unless you let people know what differentiates you. Then again, perhaps you have let us know and I just didn't read it :S

Thanks TuxNut ... Is there a way to see if any of the coins are ready for this ... and doesn't that make me open for theft when it is unlocked and open for that time?

At present, there's no easy way to know.
If you've not spent any coins, then just look at the transaction log and count 21 (to be on the safe side) days after, that's when they'll be due.
If you have spent coins, you'll need to use the block explorer and figure out which coins got sent and then work out when they're due.

I did make a thread about putting a feature into the wallet to see when they're ready for staking and choosing which coins to send, but it got deleted in 'The Great Purge' and I lost my backup when I did a format/reinstall last night.
I'll send you a link when I re-write it or have a mod dig it out of the trash for me

[Matni]

You realise the block reward has now dropped to 1/Zeit so mining is now kind of redundant...

 and yet the #rate is still 0.84 GH/s  People still like to mine :-)

Yeah I know, read my post above for some comical miner maths... But is it worth you keeping the pool open? If you're making transaction fee's on hardly any transactions, is it financially viable for you to continue?

 That's a good question, but we have always given support to coins we feel are worth the effort, if people still want to mine i am happy to keep the pool open for them, if users drop to zero then sure, as for being viable not a single coin has given a cent towards pool cost's as we have not dumped a single coin on the market, in part due to the value and partly due to giving support to what we believe are long term, like noble, zeit, zed, in fact we have given coins back towards helping these coins develop.

I've used your pool before for Noble and with your attitude towards alt-coins, I'll probably be back at some point.

Question, will you be introducing X11 pools? I want to mine GIVE when it launches on or around the 10th and want a good solid pool to mine it.

[fuzzi]

Thank you very much ... i guess my last question is ... is it safe to leave your wallet open unlocked?

as for being viable not a single coin has given a cent towards pool cost's as we have not dumped a single coin on the market, in part due to the value and partly due to giving support to what we believe are long term

You should have this stated on the site. It's an awesome philiosophy to have and I'd have supported your pool more had I known you were so cool, it's hard to tell one pool from another unless you let people know what differentiates you. Then again, perhaps you have let us know and I just didn't read it :S

Thanks TuxNut ... Is there a way to see if any of the coins are ready for this ... and doesn't that make me open for theft when it is unlocked and open for that time?

At present, there's no easy way to know.
If you've not spent any coins, then just look at the transaction log and count 21 (to be on the safe side) days after, that's when they'll be due.
If you have spent coins, you'll need to use the block explorer and figure out which coins got sent and then work out when they're due.

I did make a thread about putting a feature into the wallet to see when they're ready for staking and choosing which coins to send, but it got deleted in 'The Great Purge' and I lost my backup when I did a format/reinstall last night.
I'll send you a link when I re-write it or have a mod dig it out of the trash for me

[TuxNut]

Question, will you be introducing X11 pools? I want to mine GIVE when it launches on or around the 10th and want a good solid pool to mine it.

+ >9,000

Thank you very much ... i guess my last question is ... is it safe to leave your wallet open unlocked?

Yes, the wallet will lock again when closed.
Encryption is to secure against someone getting your wallet file, putting it on their machine and sending your coins to their wallet. It's the private keys the encryption's securing.

It's only 'unlocking' for minting, you'll still need to put the passphrase in to send coins or create a new receiving address.

[fuzzi]

I see thank you very much again

[Dale Allen]

Me and Paul are considering starting our own zeitgeist movements. We are drunk. This happens a lot. Paul is a very aggressive self-opinionated humanitarian and I still shop at Tesco. Hopefully our planning will make headway soon.

[solarion]

Me and Paul are considering starting our own zeitgeist movements. We are drunk. This happens a lot. Paul is a very aggressive self-opinionated humanitarian and I still shop at Tesco. Hopefully our planning will make headway soon.

Sounds legit!

[gimmezeit]

I like this image

[TuxNut]

Me and Paul are considering starting our own zeitgeist movements. We are drunk. This happens a lot. Paul is a very aggressive self-opinionated humanitarian and I still shop at Tesco. Hopefully our planning will make headway soon.

You've gotta put me a room with this 'Paul' guy. See what kind of mess we could make of the world in a night

Ya need to get your arse on the Zeit Forum.. My old man's wanting to sort a 'more' active .. uh, what's the name for it ...... group, here in Dorset. Could use some additional ideas and people to bounce them off

[Dale Allen]

Me and Paul are considering starting our own zeitgeist movements. We are drunk. This happens a lot. Paul is a very aggressive self-opinionated humanitarian and I still shop at Tesco. Hopefully our planning will make headway soon.

You've gotta put me a room with this 'Paul' guy. See what kind of mess we could make of the world in a night

Ya need to get your arse on the Zeit Forum.. My old man's wanting to sort a 'more' active .. uh, what's the name for it ...... group, here in Dorset. Could use some additional ideas and people to bounce them off

Paul is a nut job and a great friend, and a nut job. "I'm not trying to be a Dick" that's what he just said to someone. He could definitely help any group become more 'Active'. He's having a chat with Webby about a westernised China and the rise of type one diabetes involved with the changes in diet. Hopefully someone will invent a way I can upload myself out of this particular conversation.

[TuxNut]

To add to the support that the wallet works...

Just received my first staked coins in my wallet (now in linux... phew, I compiled it right )..

okay, so not JUST, had 4 in the space of the last 3 hours, but only just noticed one
First three all confirmed the first attempt, looks like the 4th will be too (10 confirmations already).

The End

[Matni]

You've gotta put me a room with this 'Paul' guy. See what kind of mess we could make of the world in a night

You know if that ever happens you need to make sure you film it over wise you know you'll forget everything you think of!!

[fuzzi]

Nice TuxNut ... me too .. i just got my first 2 staked also oops 3 as i was writing this ... no shit ... nice