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Why Stage #5 will be so destructive:

Moreover, Gen. Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”


The universal surveillance is going to be massive corruption that takes the world down into the depths of chaos.
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While verbally explaining this chart in more detail (and note I am preferring "Stage" instead of "Cycle" because I don't think we return to the past cycle in exactly the same form), I realized we need some further changes. Specifically the method of control in Stage #2 is really physical force, whereas Stage #6 mimics Stage #2, except the method of control is a choice by groups of people of which philosophy or mind control paradigm and group (i.e. cult) they wish to follow. I am not saying they will retain effective freewill once committed to this choice (perhaps in some cases even committed by birth and familial coercion), but that the method of control will be more on psychological versus physical power. Also we can Stage #5 should mimic Stage #1, both being harsh and brutish against weaker dead-weight and primarily promoting creative destruction entropy increase as a survival-of-the-fittest as facilitated advance.

Cycles of Contention
Cycle #1Cycle #2Cycle #3Cycle #4Cycle #5Cycle #6
Mechanism of ControlKnowledge of Evil
Survivalism
Warlordism/Feudalism
Physical Force
Holy War
Physical+Psychological
Usury
Financial+Psychological
Universal Surveillance
Totalitarian+Psychological
Hedonism & Philosophical
Psychological
RulersThe StrongDespotsGod Kings/MonarchsCapitalistsOligarchs (NWO)Decentralized Government
Life of the Ruled"Nasty, Brutish, Short"
Slaves to Raw Nature
Slaves
Serfs or Indentured Laborers
SurfsSlaves and Subjects
Enslaved to Deity
Debtors + Marxist Indoctrination Ideologue SlavesBasic Income Recipients
Rationing + Eugenics Slaves
Knowledge Workers
Cult enslavement
Facilitated AdvanceKnowledge of Good
Reproduction
CommerceRule of LawGrowthTransparency
Higher entropy reproduction
Culling of low entropy dead-weight leftover from excess growth
Ascesis
Higher entropy commerce
Decentralized culture in the knowledge age context

In Stage #3, man chose to recognize Kings as appointed by a Deity (or as an actual deity) because it was necessary to facilitate more Commerce. It is not that every man believed this outright, but as a combination of physical and psychological power made it so (and as an excuse or society-wide political correctness obscuring the underlying desire that everyone had to actually defect). Back then I can imagine many observed the situation of society improving with improved Commerce, and attributed the good fortune to the blessings from the Deity. Martin Armstrong has written about how the faith (confidence) in the currency was tied to the Roman emperor's image stamped on the coin. As the reign of the emperors shortened, this illusion of confidence was so eroded and coincided with the collapse of the empire.

Edit: I am going to blindly speculate that Stage #7 will mimic Stage #3, in that humans will have attained the ability to cross their DNA with non-humans and we will require some additional Rule of Preservation to preserve our distinct human species.

I'd be interested to see what a high genius such as Freeman Dyson could speculate with this model. I would also like to spend more effort contemplating it when my full cognitive health has returned. I am not strong enough yet (26th day of my intensive 56 day TB toxic antibiotics treatment) to enjoy going off on deep thinking adventures.


Edit#2: an example of the eugenics of Stage #5:


Who needs highly nutritional meat and cheese when the high calorie high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) Frankenfood is prolific in so many of our manufactured food and drinks.

Research done by his group at the Children’s Hospital Oakland Research Institute found that free fructose from HFCS requires more energy to be absorbed by the gut and soaks up two phosphorous molecules from ATP (our body’s energy source).
This depletes the energy fuel source, or ATP, in our gut required to maintain the integrity of our intestinal lining. Little “tight junctions” cement each intestinal cell together preventing food and bacteria from “leaking” across the intestinal membrane and triggering an immune reaction and body wide inflammation.

High doses of free fructose have been proven to literally punch holes in the intestinal lining allowing nasty byproducts of toxic gut bacteria and partially digested food proteins to enter your blood stream and trigger the inflammation that we know is at the root of obesity, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, dementia, and accelerated aging. Naturally occurring fructose in fruit is part of a complex of nutrients and fiber that doesn’t exhibit the same biological effects as the free high fructose doses found in “corn sugar”.


Conspiracy couldn't possibly be true:

And HFCS is cheaper than sugar because of the government farm bill corn subsidies. Products with HFCS are sweeter and cheaper than products made with cane sugar. This allowed for the average soda size to balloon from 8 ounces to 20 ounces with little financial costs to manufacturers but great human costs of increased obesity, diabetes, and chronic disease.


Edit#3: Stage #5:

The alternative is a descent into kakistocracy.

This will probably occur simultaneously with the fledgling growth of the Knowledge Age in Cycle #5. And I suppose by Cycle #6, the Marxists have culled themselves and we can move forward with a mature Knowledge Age.

For a while, it will seem like the leaders have improved, i.e. Duterte in the Philippines and Trump in the USA, because the Marxists haven't gone to sleep. And Duterte is really a Marxist. The march of Marxism is incessant until it depletes all of its fuel. Marxism is not abortable.

CoinCube's basic theme seems to be correct.

CoinCube, you are correct, I can't predict the mix of culling, slowly moving fertility adjustment, abrupt migration, and good ideas conquering bad ones in the free market.

It is possible of course that no wholesale culling is necessary. But even a period of adjustment can be quite unpleasant for those of us enslaved in the leftists' bad idea regime of rising taxes and other forms of Economic Totalitarianism.

Another factor is that Asia is more productive than its current level of collectivism, thus the remnants of the Industrial Age are shifting over there, e.g. China swallowed the world's mass production.

The megadeath in the West is much more likely if the West can succeed in trapping its citizens in the West with no escape routes to Asia, such as the onerous FATCA legislation (will Trump repeal it?) and Merkel's EU prison.

If the West goes to war with Russia+China, that could pave the way for a culling. Also the civil war fomenting in the USA between left vs. right.

Don't forget the coming Mini-Ice Age confirmed by scientists. Also if the magnetic poles flip, the combined effects could cause massive culling, especially if combined with a plague which is overdue.

We need to watch how the leftists gain or don't gain power as they hate on Trump. And we need to observe if Trump is really a totalitarian in sheepskin.

Also the coming elections in France and Germany.

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February 15, 2017, 05:59:53 AM
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Are we defining slavery here as top-down control?

I'm defining it more broadly as a inability to effectively have freewill due to a loss of independent control over one's choices.

Making choices which do not achieve premeditated goals is not a causal (and thus not an independent) relationship and the person is not in control. Making choices which achieve goals, but those goals were coerced or driven by mind control is not being in control. By control, I mean in an entropy equation, where the potential outcomes are independent.

I am choosing to use the term slavery, because SJWs abuse the term to incorrectly claim that they have achieved the elimination of slavery.

What you are describing here is a failure of potential or a limitation of self-actualisation.

Using the word slavery is a particularly poor choice of wording as it implies and absolute and fixed limitation on freedom rather then a gradual increase in self-actualisation over time.

Is this conversation so threatening or what you feel to be the definitional errors of others so infuriating that you feel compelled to sacrifice communication in the name of rhetoric? Is it not better to simply point out what you feel to be the errors of others and use wording that accurately conveys the concepts you are trying to convey?

What exactly do you feel is inaccurate in the original table and why? Also it would help if you would provide your definition of slavery.  

As I already stated, your apparent bias to want to frame everything in terms of the importance of non-existent absolutely true morals (from my perspective my opinion that is a manifestation of your lack of freewill because you are enslaved in God religion delusion), leads you to put entries on the table which I assert are irrational, incorrect, and myopic.
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How many times have I told you both publicly and in private messages that top-down control doesn't mean there is only one top authority. A diversification of cults each with their own top-down control, is consistent. Never do we have in the universe a falsifiable example of a single top-down authority for any phenomenon. Even you noted that religions are not all the same.
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Afaics, the only absolute and thus noble goal is to adapt to maximize the increase in entropy in the universe.

I see so let me see if I understand your perspective. You feel that by accepting God as true and by accepting religion as a mechanism for optimising cooperation and health I am joining a philosophical cult?

You acknowledge that some kind of philosophical cult is a requirement for all individuals (each with its own top-down control and organization) but but you reject the religious explanation because of it's claim of moral truth?

In its place you promote the cult of maximizing entropy which you claim is moral truth.

From this truth you hope to rally a group of like minded atheist white men in the Philippines and form a cooperative and vibrant community where men are strong and control their women. You oppose coercion and do not feel force should be used to compel women to join or stay in your community. You believe women will voluntarily rush to give up their emancipation and join your community as the attraction of a true community of strong men will be overwhelming?

Do you foresee potential problems establishing your new community?

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Are we defining slavery here as top-down control?

I'm defining it more broadly as an inability to effectively have freewill due to a loss of independent control over one's choices.

Making choices which do not achieve premeditated goals is not a causal (and thus not an independent) relationship and the person is not in control. Making choices which achieve goals, but those goals were coerced or driven by mind control is not being in control. By control, I mean in an entropy equation, where the potential outcomes are independent.

I am choosing to use the term slavery, because SJWs abuse the term to incorrectly claim that they have achieved the elimination of slavery.

What you are describing here is a failure of potential or a limitation of self-actualisation.

No.

Please re-read what I wrote and TRY to understand it.

Using the word slavery is a particularly poor choice of wording as it implies and absolute and fixed limitation on freedom rather then a gradual increase in self-actualisation over time.

You obviously do not understand what I am writing.

Self-actualization has nothing do with dependent variables, i.e. if we could self-actuate it then it wouldn't be a dependency and the entropy would be higher (as for example why statistically very few escape from their formative years of indoctrination by which ever religion or cultural mechanism is in place in that person's upbringing). If religion and other means of cultural indoctrination were as open to self-actualization as if they did not exist, then they wouldn't be effective (and society would devolve in random noise which is why we can't move directly to infinite entropy!). Certainly you can't argue that people are choosing God religion based on a rational, independent assessment. You are playing semantic games and I am using math. Please go remember what an independent variable is in relationship to the equation of entropy. Please stop conflating qualitative subjective opinions about physical slavery and my objective analysis of the mathematical independence of the actors.

You like other SJWs want to paint some special significance to a particular manifestation of dependency (i.e. control) and say "this is slavery and we ended it", as some smug accomplishment. And I am pointing out that some form of dependent control is always involved, thus slavery is always present. You want to paint some subjective significance to some arbitrary manifestation of dependent control. Go on lying to yourself to appease your emotions (a manifestation of your enslavement and non-objectivity), but it isn't a rational and objective assessment.

Is this conversation so threatening or what you feel to be the definitional errors of others so infuriating that you feel compelled to sacrifice communication in the name of rhetoric? Is it not better to simply point out what you feel to be the errors of others and use wording that accurately conveys the concepts you are trying to convey?

I have accurately conveyed the concepts. But unfortunately I can't force someone to comprehend what is written.


Edit: as I had explained, I observe SJWs justifying their destruction of diversity of control and promotion of a power vacuum (i.e. how you for example apparently feel so good+smug about using the State as a proxy to fuck with other tribe's women and children) by claiming they have eliminated slavery and bettered humankind and society, when in fact they are lying to themselves. Physical slavery was economically necessary until it became unnecessary due to technology. The power vacuums being created and the destruction of diversity is unsustainable and Stage #4 will collapse into Stage #5, which will be payback time and then your smug, dysfunctional, and increasingly ignored Constitution will collapse into dust.

I absolutely respect the rights of others, but others must extend that same courtesy to me. My culture and society has chosen to emancipate it's women. This means my daughters at age 18 are adults with complete freedom under law to own property, vote, and make independent decisions. I will certainly fight for them to keep these rights if others seek to steal them via violence.

If Mr. Donaldson wishes to live in a society where women have not been emancipated he needs to try and change society without coercion. In the US this means getting men and women to support repealing the 19th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution via a new constitutional amendment. I fully support his right to try and do this but I doubt his prospects for success.

Alternatively he (and others that share his views) can move to a society where women have not been emancipated. There are not a lot of options here as most societies have emancipated their women.

If you haven't noticed, the SJWs are starting to rail against the God religion, and your freedom to send your daughters to a religious oriented school of your choice is going to be lost in the societal organization and governance paradigm you advocate.

You implicitly demand that my female children not be denied exposure to certain "rights" else I am not allowed to live in "your" society. What happened to my society and my choice? In other words, you demand I invest for at least 18 years in my children and have all the repercussions+liability for how my children behave and perform, but you don't give me the control to decide what I think it best for my children. This is why fathers are defecting and allowing the State to raise their children, even if they are still around by implicitly allowing their kids to attend State (and even SJWs infected private) schools.

What I am driving at here is that your so called universal "rights" are actually allowing the camel's nose under opening in the bottom of the tent to enable the total annihilation of my culture and infect+overwhelm it with the culture of the State and SJWs. This is the insideous Marxist demoralization strategy. This is a slippery slope which slides all the way to the Frankenstein outcomes such as where both men and women defect from the optimum life strategies and society collapses.

Every society has rules. In the USA the highest form of those rules is laid out in the constitution and the constitution gives women the right to vote. If you want to try and change the constitution there is a mechanism to do so.

Our rights as parents are not absolute...

You can try and change societies rules (in this case via a constitutional amendment) or you can move on to greener pastures...A fourth (and probably best) option is to join or build a voluntary non-coercive subculture compliant with and nested within the larger culture that reinforces healthy behaviors.

And I advise you to make sure your cult doesn't require the control over other cult's women and children, if your cult intends to survive into Stage #6.

Because the State proxy by which you pound diversity to death and appease your unrealistic emotions is going away folks...kiss it goodbye...

SJWs are worried about everything except reality and being adaptable. There is nothing wrong with nature, the people are fucked.
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Certainly you can't argue that people are choosing God religion based on a rational, independent assessment.
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I have accurately conveyed the concepts. But unfortunately I can't force someone to comprehend what is written.

Actually that's exactly what I am claiming at least for myself. I can only speak for my choice not the choice and motivations of others. When my children come of age I intend to tell them why I made the choice I did. Why I was an agnostic for most of my adult life and why I ultimately changed my mind. I have reached my decision via a rational and independent assessment and feel it is absolutely the most logical choice to make. Ultimately it will be up to my children to make their own choices as they come of age and I will encourage them to do so.

I understand what you wrote I simply disagree with it.

We disagree on what constitutes ultimate truth. Within your framework of entropy we also disagree on what is necessary to maximize entropy.

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The following two (relatively) short videos may be of interest regarding previous discussion:
The moral argument for God
Why Does God Allow Evil?

The videos provided by miscreanity are quite good and I recommend people following this discussion watch them.

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Certainly you can't argue that people are choosing God religion based on a rational, independent assessment.
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I have accurately conveyed the concepts. But unfortunately I can't force someone to comprehend what is written.

Actually that's exactly what I am claiming at least for myself. I can only speak for my choice not the choice and motivations of others. When my children come of age I intend to tell them why I made the choice I did. Why I was an agnostic for most of my adult life and why I ultimately changed my mind. I have reached my decision via a rational and independent assessment and feel it is absolutely the most logical choice to make. Ultimately it will be up to my children to make their own choices as they come of age and I will encourage them to do so.

Perhaps try watching what was linked to (the link was added after you quoted it).

You think you were rational (this is a common pattern of delusion and all addictions), but first of all my analysis (logic and thus opinion) is that "agnostic" was the same SJW (diversity devouring, power vacuum creating) religion/ideology/worldview you are following now. You've just adapted your desire for power vacuums to a God religion to make yourself feel more noble and honorable, but you actually ignore all the falsifiable facts. How rational is that?

Obviously you were agnostic because you felt that by being "objective" about social issues (as SJWs in academic settings preach that they are), you were being the most noble and honorable. But then you started to notice some inconsistencies, so you tried to correct those by switching over to the God religion.

The common theme is refusing to honor nature and creating power vacuums under the illusion of noble achievements.

Afaics, there is no logic involved in your decision other than finding a way to continue the SJW indoctrination that you were ostensibly mind controlled and enslaved with in your formative years of SJW education. You haven't responded to any of the falsifiable facts.

I was under the delusions too. I understand first-hand how powerful they are. But I didn't have a very firm indoctrination as a child. I avoided being subjected to what other people wanted me to think. Later in life I tried to find stability and comfort by embracing for example what I felt my beloved grandfather believed. But I didn't have the indoctrination to overcome that you've apparently been subjected to. So you serve as evidence of my thesis herein that we can't really choose our philosophy in most cases as it is decided for us in our formative years. And thus I think (my opinion) I understand why it will be nearly impossible for you to not be mind controlled and not be enslaved. An opinion is not a statement of fact. It is an argument. I think my logic is sound. I haven't yet seen someone refute my logic in this thread.

I don't hate you for your predicament. I just get angry at SJWs for using the State as a proxy to destroy my diversity (but they will reap what they have sown over the next couple or several decades in Stage #5). It is war and I have to fight and make it to Stage #6. And also because they think they are so noble and honorable, and they look at others as so deplorable. So of course doesn't it make you angry if someone accuses you (even passive aggressively by implication) of being a deplorable when you think they are also hypocrites?

And btw not that it matters, but the 19th Amendment is the bastardized country, not the Constitution. The forefathers did have have 19th amendment in our Constitution. And the amendment was achieved via corruption of the original Constitution, culture, values, etc.., not by a legitimate adherence to it. Our forefathers were not that stupid. The mistake of our forefather is thinking that any large scale system of governance could remain resilient. I am convinced that any stable group strategy must have the ability to cast off conflicting members rather than compromise. That doesn't mean it is resilient against all threats, but that it remains stable until it dies due to lack of fitness and inability to change. And with enough variants of such stable group strategies, then the species remains resilient. And this is I think were we are headed for Stage #6. The nation-state was necessary for aggregating capital for the Industrial Age, but it has lost is reason to exist. And btw, this is why when Armstrong mentioned the USA would break up, it immediately seemed plausible to me.

My life experience has been one of being subjected to the realities of nature. So it is not surprising that is the ideology that comes naturally to me. As I have explained honestly and without malice to miscreanity, I really tried to find rationality in the God religion. And I have already explained in great detail upthread why it fails rationality from my perspective.

For me it feels good enough to know that the human species is diverse and that we are all out there trying to find the best strategy for fostering the optimum progression towards higher levels of entropy. Within that, we can find the justification for love and empathy. I don't need to go controlling everyone else (but maybe I need to control my but not your offspring) and destroying diversity in order to feel good about the reality of nature. It seems most other humans today just don't feel comfortable without some grand accomplishments such as "absolute independence and freedom for every human" (which is of course is egalitarian, a uniform distribution, static, and thus absolutely impossible).

@CoinCube, the reason we've gotten such a bad feeling going on between us now, is because of your insistence of using the State to interfere with other people's children. I find that to be deplorable. Sorry to say. You say it is the Constitution, but I don't care if it is the Bible. It doesn't mean I have to like what I think is wrong and deplorable. (and I don't think the Constitution says anything about having social workers fucking with other people's children and mandated SJW-infested State schools, etc....)

Again I respect @Winter's point that we shouldn't demonize the person, and instead have good arguments. I have presented my arguments. Yet when you tell me "this is the Constitution, take it or leave it". And "I will fight" for the right to use the State to interfere with the children of others and otherwise imply I am a deplorable because I am not "noble" to protect women and children from nature, I will get angry yes. Because it is disingenuous for the reasons I have explained.
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You think you were rational (this is a common pattern of delusion and all addictions), but first of all agnostic was the same SJW (diversity devouring, power vacuum creating) religion you are following now. You've just adapted your desire for power vacuums to a God religion to make yourself feel more noble and honorable, but you actually ignore all the falsifiable facts. How rational is that?
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There is no logic involved in your decision other than finding a way to continue the SJW indoctrination that you were mind controlled and enslaved with in your formative years of SJW education. You haven't responded to any of the falsifiable facts.

I have responded to all of the interesting points you have raised. Your writings lately have been atypically incoherent and rambling presumably due to your illness so I have tried to keep my replies brief and to the point.

You seem to be spending a lot of effort trying to psychoanalyze my motivations. Perhaps you would be better served focusing on the logic of my arguments? My reasoning can be found in the links below.

I acknowledge that I could be mistaken but my position is undeniably rational. Your inability to acknowledge that tells me that you either do not understand my argument or are unwilling or unable objectivity consider it.

The Foundations of Contentionism:
Cycles of Contention
The Rise of Knowledge
Entropy is Information
The Math of Optimal Fitness
The Limits of Science
Religion and Progress
The Nature of Freedom
The Beginning of Wisdom
Morality and Sin
Knowledge, Entropy and Freedom

Two of your older writings are included in the links above. These works are among those that helped me to reach the conclusion I have. I truly hope you make a speedy rapid and full recovery.

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I have responded to all of the interesting points you have raised.

You have not.

For example, you have not responded to the point about how your "noble" ideology creates a power vacuum.

Your writings lately have been atypically incoherent and rambling presumably due to your illness so I have tried to keep my replies brief and to the point.

You haven't even demonstrated that you've understood what I have written. When you don't understand the significance of items that you read, it can point to lack of comprehension (haven't you ever noted that when reading a research paper and not understanding the significance of a sentence then later realizing it was why you ended up not understanding the paper)

Am I supposed to apologize because it is intellectually over your head?

By your own admission, it apparently took you a long time to overcome your preconceptions and understand my "Rise of Knowledge" essay, which was very carefully written.

Any way, I see you are giving up.

Blaming your laziness and/or slow mind on my illness is asinine.

It actually requires commensurate effort on your part, to the effort I put into writing all these comments in this thread over the past days.
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Any way, I see you are giving up.
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It actually requires commensurate effort on your part, to the effort I put into writing all these comments in this thread over the past days.

I have done my very best to share and explain my views. I have clearly failed not only in changing your views but also in facilitating even a basic understanding of my position.

Unfortunately I have exhausted the time I can afford to invest in this.
I am sorry I failed to help you.

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What exactly do you feel is inaccurate in the original table and why? Also it would help if you would provide your definition of slavery.  

As I already stated, your apparent bias to want to frame everything in terms of the importance of non-existent absolutely true morals (from my perspective my opinion that is a manifestation of your lack of freewill because you are enslaved in God religion delusion), leads you to put entries on the table which I assert are irrational, incorrect, and myopic.
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How many times have I told you both publicly and in private messages that top-down control doesn't mean there is only one top authority. A diversification of cults each with their own top-down control, is consistent. Never do we have in the universe a falsifiable example of a single top-down authority for any phenomenon. Even you noted that religions are not all the same.
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Afaics, the only absolute and thus noble goal is to adapt to maximize the increase in entropy in the universe.

I see so let me see if I understand your perspective. You feel that by accepting God as true and by accepting religion as a mechanism for optimising cooperation and health I am joining a philosophical cult?

The only way it could not be, is if you could prove it is a testable truth. But of course you can't, because God will forever be unfalsifiable. I had already refuted you when you tried to link God to health and other benefits and explained the benefits could be due to the control over defection which concludes nothing about whether God truth appendage is valid.

You acknowledge that some kind of philosophical cult is a requirement for all individuals (each with its own top-down control and organization) but but you reject the religious explanation because of it's claim of moral truth?

I didn't disagree that religion is a form of top-down control.

I reject that I have to agree that God is true or that God being true has anything to do with why religion achieves some of the benefits of top-down control over defection (and also some of the defects of it being an otherwise irrational faith mind control).

Afaics, you are still stuck emotionally on needing for their to be absolute moral truths that are "noble" fixes for what you hate about nature. Sorry IMO you are just deluding yourself, creating power vacuums with Frankenstein outcomes... And thus not understanding what I am writing:

I don't need to go controlling everyone else (but maybe I need to control my but not your offspring) and destroying diversity in order to feel good about the reality of nature. It seems most other humans today just don't feel comfortable without some grand accomplishments such as "absolute independence and freedom for every human" (which is of course is egalitarian, a uniform distribution, static, and thus absolutely impossible).



In its place you promote the cult of maximizing entropy which you claim is moral truth.

I am just claiming nature is truth. Morals appear to a nebulous, mind control lie that man created. Ethics based on falsifiable outcomes of best adaptation would apparently be a rational field of study. In other words, if a company has a code of conduct based on measurable outcomes that increase its success, I would consider that to be rational.

Morals as values not based on rational assessment of outcomes enables Frankenstein outcomes such as how SJWs are patting themselves on the back while they leave power vacuums in their wake and sending society into an intense phase of creative destruction in Stage #5.

From this truth you hope to rally a group of like minded atheist white men in the Philippines and form a cooperative and vibrant community where men are strong and control their women.

Huh  Huh I have written numerous times (mostly in private to you and others) that I wish to leave the Philippines at my soonest opportunity to do so. I keep mentioning how it is dangerous to stay here given 70+% of the population has a LTBI (latent TB infection) and thus my risk of reinfection is unacceptably high (given the medications might not work the next time I am infected). I don't want to play Russian roulette with my life. I've suffered enough!

I am not going to rally any men. I have stated I hope there are a few strong men out there who will be interested in the ideas presented. It doesn't mean I want to be involved with them or organize anything with other men. If anything, I wouldn't involve with other men who have their own values from their formative years. I am not about to try to get into indoctrination and re-education of adults (indoctrination of children is always done, so much better it be done by the parents than the SJWs and the State). I would at most do something if I had more offspring and I have told you numerous times that I probably will do nothing about more offspring because I am coming 52 this June.

I told you and others that I recently decided to make this a priority issue of discussion because I have to make a decision whether to give my 27 year old gf a child or not. And I am heavily leaning towards not, but at least I want to understand what I would require if I did. And this is all part of my analysis of whether she would be fit to my requirements for making a family again.

And again I think not. I don't want teenage kids when I am 70.

But I am open sourcing my thoughts.

You oppose coercion and do not feel force should be used to compel women to join or stay in your community. You believe women will voluntarily rush to give up their emancipation and join your community as the attraction of a true community of strong men will be overwhelming?

I already told you upthread that I am not focused on eliminating women's suffrage at the governance level.

I would rather be focused on what the women I am involved with actually do. I made an upthread post explaining to you that I would also leave it up to the self-directed autodidact choices of each individual offspring as to what was best fit to them as a person.

But in terms of forming a community, it would have to be built via the offspring, not from an existing pool of adults. It is clear it would require a multi-generational strategy and I mentioned this upthread.

You are just not comprehending all my comments holistically. You are forgetting many things I've written. You apparently need it all compacted into one essay so you can read it over and over and assimilate all the points holistically.

Do you foresee potential problems establishing your new community?

Of course, I see a lot of challenges to establishing a new cultural strategy.

But doing things the easy way is not acceptable to me if the easy way is failure directed.

As I said, I'll probably choose to just focus on my career and intellectual stimulation and not burden myself with such a grand challenge at too late of an age.
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I have clearly failed not only in changing your views but also in facilitating even a basic understanding of my position.

Religious people think they have a noble duty to change others. I only believe I need to challenge your views, and then let everyone (readers, you, and myself) decide for themselves.

So just from that, I posit I understand your position better than you do.

I have not wanted to demonize anyone for their choice of religion, except when it crosses the line from being a non-confrontational, personal belief system into "noble" confrontational politics that wants to deprive me of my natural diversity and independence (e.g. as a man), i.e. when it becomes a culture war and especially when the opposing viewpoint is implying I am deplorable being against what is "noble".

We Westerners are notorious for running around the world and telling everyone else how to run their own lives.

I've been wanting unload on SJWs and know-it-all American cultural police mayonnaise spreaders, in a way that makes the difference in ideology very concrete for those willing to read carefully and think deeply. Apparently you just took the brunt of my exhale.

Sometimes words shared in open source are more powerful than a gun. So this isn't drama. Also you might consider that I am putting my ideology out there so men that agree with me, might be inspired to be involved with software projects I am working on. I am simultaneously doing promotion of myself and genuinely so from my true thoughts and ideology.

Of course I realize many others might disagree with me, but I feel that being genuine is necessary for me to have the trust and reputation with strong men. And I think strong men are the successful men. So that is the demographics I need to focus on.
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The following two (relatively) short videos may be of interest regarding previous discussion:
The moral argument for God
Why Does God Allow Evil?

The videos provided by miscreanity are quite good and I recommend people following this discussion watch them.

The first video states, "if God doesn't exist, then there is no 'evil'".

The point being claimed is that if the categorization of evil is open to differing opinions, then evil is not objective and thus doesn't exist. And that the only way evil can be objective is if there is a God to define evil.

For example, I can claim the SJWs are evil because they are creating a power vacuum of self-destruction. But since that outcome is a natural result of human nature, others might argue it is not evil, just natural.

Fundamentally the argument being made is that nature is subordinate to God. And underlying this is an emotional need of the believer that there is something noble or grand plan or heaven at the end of the rainbow and not just this callous nature of winners and losers.

And it is precisely that emotional need which I claim is the addiction and delusion that drives religion.

As I said, I posit I understand CoinCube's position better than he understands his own psychology.  Because I had to reason my way out of that delusion and addiction. So I learned to analyze why I was drawn to it. It was a form of comfort, when I didn't like the natural results I was getting in my life. It can also be a way of handling guilt for being happy and successful when others are not.

The video then employs hyperbole to try to make its case. For example, it says that if evil is subjective then cannibalism is rational as a form of a strong animal. But a strong animal wouldn't eat its own, because it would incur mutual self-destruction. Lions don't eat other lions. Humans have big brains and understand they must work together to maximize their resilience.

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“The road of life is rocky and you may stumble too; so while you point your finger, someone else is judging you.”

Yes, but that fails to concern me. Judgment is necessary.

For evil to triumph it suffices that good men do nothing. For evil ideas like totalitarian collectivism to triumph, it suffices for nobody to point out that left politics is morally imbecilic and leads to mass death whenever it is seriously applied.

When I eat an animal, it is not a sophont that suffers. (This is why I’m careful about possible borderline cases like dolphins, elephants, and cephalopods.) Jeff’s politics, on the other hand, are a royal road to the worst evils in human history, sophont suffering and death on a scale that would have been unimaginable before Marxism reached its full, hideous, and inevitable flowering.

Don’t try to tell me these things are equivalent.

Then the video goes into more simplistic nonsense about how evil wells up from inside of us and this is what causes wars. Whereas, real evil such as SJWs hating nature and wanting to create utopia is what causes power vacuums that lead to wars. The problem isn't due to that the evil spontaneously welled up, but that the SJW doesn't understand his/her own mistake about reality.

It claims that suffering (i.e. winners and losers) is necessary to have a relationship with God, when there is a simpler reason it is necessary because winners need to be rewarded and losers need to be penalized so that nature anneals to fitness and resilience.

The video then spirals off into how we can't use our big brains to learn, adapt, and become more resilient, and instead we need to be dependent on God and accept our failure as an offering to God (very pagan I say). It is just the pagan ritual sacrifices reconstituted in a slightly obfuscated meme.

The video then goes into selfishness as being evil. Just as how the capitalist does not have constant marginal utility of wealth (i.e. the more wealth they have, the less rapidly they can grow the wealth and the more difficult it becomes to defend the wealth), selfishness is rational only to the point where it is irrational. There is a natural balance and our big brains can compute this without any need for God to tell us to be unselfish.

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Yes, sell software. For money.

Savor the irony. The left-winger urges selfishness; the libertarian insists on doing what is best for civilization as a whole even though it costs him hardship.

The full subtlety of this lesson will, of course, be lost on the left-winger, because like all left-wingers) he is necessarily a moral imbecile not even capable of understanding the actual consequences of his own premises, let alone the libertarian’s.

Btw, when I was attempting to be a born-again Christian, I would reason to myself that if I didn't have to trust an unfalsifiable God, then there would be no risk in being a God believer and thus no reward should be expected in the absence of risk. Thus for reward to exist, I reasoned risk had to be present. That for me was more rational argument than the one being presented above. Nevertheless, I have decided it isn't rational because we don't prove an affirmative with a negative. An incalculable and inestimable risk is never a reasonable reward, i.e. the commensurate reward is indeterminate.
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I want to go back to computer programming so I hope the recent debate in this thread has concluded. Or if there are any remaining discussions, I hope they will actually address my points and not be dismissive.

Libertarian Primary Principle is Respect for Private Property

One of the key points I've made, is that when claiming noble justification for interfering with the property of others, the statists disrupt those most invested and capable to manage the property, thus creating a power vacuum which destroys the property. I had provided the Middle East and the creation of ISIS as one example of the wake of our meddling. Another example of such private property are the children which are the property of the parents. The State is entirely incapable of managing this property and when we turn our children over to the State such as in State schools, we end up with the Millennials (and OMG they are as screwed up as a generation can be... on aspects of appreciating marriage, procreation, responsibility, self-discipline, long attention spans, hard work, etc). Into the power vacuum steps George Soros with his $billions and the SJW groups he funds to spread these Women's Marches, such as Ashley Judd's profane speech, to further pollute the minds of the aimless Millennials (thus enslaving them in SJW indoctrination and causes).

Our rights as parents are not absolute. We are stewards of our children not their owners. We have a responsibility to shepherd them into adulthood to the best of our ability. Once our children attain adulthood they are granted all the rights that society gives its adults. One of these rights is the ability to discard parental will and make their own way in the world.

We own our children and are more than just stewards in the analogous sense that we own farm land and are not just stewards even though we don't control everything about that farmland nor will we be assured to control that land forever. If we abuse that land, it will rebel against us and we lose control. At the point the children decide to leave our tribe and disobey their parents, then they are excommunicated from the tribe and on their own in this wild, bad world. Which pretty much means they've destroyed themselves by rebelling unless of course their tribe is batshit insane, in which case they've rescued themselves (which I claim is my case as I rescued myself from my batshit insane+selfish parents and family tribe). I also think most Westerners are now batshit insane with this "we are noble" because we know what is best for you and your private property so we are going to meddle.

(I should note that my parents were not always selfish (maybe only 80-99% of the time). And not all of my family tribe was selfish. And instead of batshit insane maybe I should just say they don't have a clue about the issues I've been writing about in this thread, so perhaps we can just say they are ignorant instead of insane. And I am not blaming my parents or my family tribe. I am now responsible for my life. I've taken back 100% ownership rights in myself by now, finally casting off the God religion's ownership of my emotions.)

I know that CoinCube doesn't seem to fully appreciate (or at least he didn't seem to acknowledge this level of control the parents can potentially have) that if we parents control a whitelist and blacklist on all the stimuli of our offspring in their formative years (but obviously not controlling all the stimuli), then we have a great impact on their ideology for life. For example, he is ostensibly a product of his parents' decision to send him to (ostensibly SJW-infested, since nearly all are) private schools. His 2 degrees are a result of this decision (as well as ostensibly his hard work, personal self-discipline, and other good qualities he has striven for and achieved), as well his disrespect for private property when it involves females. So thus he doesn't believe that children actually end up the property of their parents' decisions (or by default the property of the State schools if the parents punt). But if he realized how much control the parents actually have if they want to, then he might have an inkling that the kids really don't independently choose their future (although the genetic makeup of the child and the reaction to stimuli does formulate the resultant amalgam), the parents do (or by default George Soros does if the parents punt). The parents will still have to work within the genetic makeup of the child, and manage the property to its best utility as one would do with any form of property such as farm land which has certain naturals characteristics. And this is why I say I think it is so critical for a tribe to be able to excommunicate those aberrant members, because if the tribe becomes dysfunctional then the potentially conformant children have an incentive to rebel.

And yeah that makes me angry. I didn't ask for this war. You all are the ones who are meddling and disrespecting the private property of others. You all are creating the war. Stop it! Or face the consequences.

(Massive suffering and struggles in my life are embodied up in the damage feminism, irresponsible parents, and SJWs have done to my tribe and life, so yeah while I am recovering from TB and feeling like shit and realizing I wouldn't even be in the Philippines had my tribe and country not so alienated me because I refused to conform to the SJW meddling, leftist groupthink. However I own my own decisions and mistakes.)

What is the alternative? If we don't manage our property well, it is a power vacuum and George Soros will come squat on our property and corrupt it to his control.

Note miscreanity seemed to feel that most youth will rebel at some point and most will return to their tribe. Well you'd want that with the males. You want them to be fighters and to think independently, and for them to go out into the world and realize their tribe is the best. But for the females, remember females are easily destroyed in a FALSE LIFE PLAN and otherwise emotionally destroyed (look my sister is dead because she couldn't handle our family tribe's destruction of her emotional stability but being male I survived thus far). They only have a very limited time to reproduce and they need to be focused on it. So the parents have a duty to protect the females from that which can destroy them. That is what is really noble IN FACT.

But really why would the males rebel if they are in the most competitively successful tribe that gives them everything they could possibly want from a tribe? I think males defect when the pitiful tribe sucks such as the socialist hell of the Western nations. And where the strongest males are, the females will follow. So really I think I understand damn well how to compete and obliterate these other cultural evolutionary strategies, but the question is at age 52 do I want to? Do I have enough youth and energy remaining?

Re: Impact of drinking alcohol.

... But it's true, it makes me feel better the next day, I wake up earlier compared to other days that I don't drink... I feel a bit happier because..

Some says in the research that alcohol if taken in moderation, it could kill dead brain cells, and if over used could damage your brain and liver...

That emotional rollercoaster you are describing is training your brain to be emotionally unstable.

The dead brain cells are not the most significant threat. It is the threat to emotional stability which is the significant risk.

Ditto weed and all drugs (toxins with neurological effects on the dopamine, serotonin, etc receptors).

P.S. besides as a male you need to be working on your masculinity not on satiating and becoming a slave to your emotions (hey look in your pants, you aren't female). This is the battle for maturity that you face, and unfortunately Millennials are being bombarded with feminism. What role models would you have which would express to you what I am.

P.S. If SJWs were even clued in they'd stop worrying about bad parents and meddling in the private affairs of others, and worry more about the elephant in their Millennials dorm room:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/civil-unrest/student-loan-petition-to-white-house/
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As an aside, I vehemently disown JAD's position on rape. Although women might be unable to always stop their hindbrain, I am aghast that JAD is so political that he can't even acknowledge that kidnapping a woman for 18 years is not something she would want.



A thread of discussion which begins with the following quoted comment has piqued my interest (and you should click and read more of his thoughtful comments):

Clueless, when it comes to solving the prisoner’s dilemma, which is the point of religion. Your utopia will last about as long as any Sharia gang’s.

The point being that even a strong tribe would need cooperation with a wider-scale society in order to accomplish large-scale endeavors such as space travel, nuclear weapons, and attaining nation-state granularity sovereignty. And the point being that some common faith (and culture) is required that teaches men to subjugate their freewill seeking independence and tribal conquest (i.e. fragmentation of a wider-scale society) so as to cooperate for the collective success. That wider-scale cooperation can include enforcing restrictions on the mating strategies of men and women to promote stable families and procreation instead of devolution into a society-wide brothel defection.

My response is that open source is destroying the need for the nation-state. Open source is a paradigm shift which creates an Inverse Commons which does not suffer the Tragedy of the Commons prisoner's dilemma. Everyone can contribute and cooperate in the open, so there is no prison. And they don't have to agree with each other on concerns orthogonal to the specific open source project they are collaborating/contributing to.

So the God-delusion religion is also becoming antiquated. We no longer need it, as we also no longer need nation-states.

Around 10% of Amish leave their communities to explore the world at large, yet most return.

Note how the New Order Amish which adopted more open and less strict restrictions have a greater rebellion rate (where the youth don't return). This seems to confirm my stance that parents can indeed statistically control their kids' choices. And it also indicates that as we can cooperate (e.g. using open source for projects) orthogonal to other concerns, then we won't need to restrict knowledge creation in order to squelch tribal defection.

So into Stage #5 we go, and cull all this useless dead weight left over from the Industrial Age.

The nation-state was necessary for aggregating capital for the Industrial Age, but it has lost is reason to exist. And btw, this is why when Armstrong mentioned the USA would break up, it immediately seemed plausible to me.

My idea is the State exists to manage power structure between those who are not relatives and exceed our Dunbar limit. The State was necessary to optimize Stage #3 and #4, but now heading for Stage #6 it appears to be losing its raison d'être. Religion and local culture exist to organize the relatives and tribe that fit within the Dunbar limit. In short, top-down versus bottom-up organization.

Religion can thus spread like a virus P2P; whereas, a State spreads only by top-down conquest.

Religion goes far beyond relatives and Dunbar limits. It is the primary mechanism of bottom-up spontaneous accretive cooperation.

Religion derives its P2P spread and power of coercion due to the importance of our adaption to the Dunbar limit and the priorities we place on those relationships. That the religion virus spreads throughout the population is orthogonal to the mechanism by which religion is empowered.

If we want to destroy the importance of those relationships within our Dunbar limit, then we need to replace that structure of control with another power structure, else we will have a power vacuum as we do which is an infanticide, society-wide brothel that I assert will completely collapse in Stage #5 with the Millennials generation.

Because I have been explaining we are moving from the Industrial (fixed capital) Age to the Knowledge Age where individuals will own their productive capacity and can't be bought with financial capital.

Thus the nation-state concept has peaked. The globalists are consolidating power now to try to fend off the Knowledge Age, but they will fail (although they will succeed to enslave those who don't transition and remain dependent on the one world reserve currency and governments).

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The individual is rising. Government is dying, and as it last hurrah it will descend into one world government which in fact already exists de facto as the DEEP STATE.

These comments make it painfully obvious that Armstrong does not
understand the global trend underway with the transition from the
Industrial (fixed capital) Age to individual ownership of one's productive
capital in the Knowledge Age. For details on that trend, refer to my prior
writings upthread. Specifically knowledge workers today can produce and
distribute their own work individually without relying on the Theory of
the Firm and finance. The 3D printer is yet another example of this trend
underway.

He is framing the issue with the wrong perspective, thus he entirely
misses the point and thus the correct conclusion.

Crypto-currency doesn't need the entire world's confidence and acceptance.
The sovereign Knowledge Age workers are adopting it...

The rest of humanity will descend into enslavement in a one world reserve
currency and a de facto DEEP STATE that runs the dying fixed capital age
and the concept of the nation-state which raison d'etre was the politics
of finance.

See the one world outcome is the death star of collectivism. Again I refer
him to my seminal article on the Rise of Knowledge:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.0

Focus on the "Rise of Knowledge" essay and understand why savings must
decay otherwise knowledge doesn't advance.

I expounded on a later blog:

http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Thought_Isn%27t_Fungible

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Armstrong is stuck in an anarchic idea of government and finance. He is
blinded to the decentralized rise of the sovereign individual in the
Knowledge Age. Thus to his hammer everything looks like a nail. He can
only see everything in terms of government. He can't see the true
revolution going on which government can't do a damn thing to stop.

Let them try to turn off the electricity. Watch how fast the Knowledge Age
workers engineer a solution that bypasses their grid.

Checkmate for the Industrial Age, nation-states, and voting. Those are the
dinosaurs.

When will Armstrong have the epiphany and realize what time it really is?

His model is screaming that I am correct. Yet he is blinded by his old age
and ingrained thought patterns and experience as a hedge fund manager.

But every time I ask Armstrong a question which challenges his logic, he is unable to answer. So here we go again and he WON'T be able to answer for if he did, he would have to admit his error.

So who will enforce this reserve currency which is not tied to any government central bank, political fiscal process, and national debt?

These diverse cultures and nation-states are going to remain in perfect harmony in terms of agreeing to honor the discipline of this reserve currency without trying to gain any leverage (control) over it? So the stronger nations won't be able to obtain leverage over the smaller nations in terms of the enforcement and evolution of this reserve currency?

Illogical Nonsense.

The only way such a one world reserve currency will have the desired discipline on the nations (i.e. a government that is running fiscal deficits for the wrong reasons will see its currency and bond markets pummeled), is if there is force backing it so it will have the necessary confidence.

Armstrong can't see the real power players of the DEEP STATE that is the defacto world government today. He only sees the public and political curtain dog & pony circus that is allowed to run amok while the real power sits back and awaits the outcome of "the borrower is slave to the lender" or "he who controls the gold, makes the rules".

Those globalists are guiding the nation-states towards their debt collapse where they will fall into the lap of the true power structure which owns the fixed capital, Industrial world. They control the multi-nationals too.

Armstrong hilariously claims that the software giants such as Google are distancing themselves from the NSA corruption and cites this as evidence that the globalist plans and power is waning.

Hahaha, what a myopic dimwit he can be at times.

Yeah Google will put on a good dog & pony show for naive idiots to believe, while the astute sovereign hackers (Knowledge Age workers) understand very well that Google continues its march towards enabling the globalist TECHNOCRACY.

Let's take for example the French Revolution as an example. The masses rebelled due to the discontent over the mismanagement of the economy by the monarchy and nobility. However the power vacuum of democracy was filled by political corruption which had to be snuffed by a totalitarian dictator Napoleon.

The masses are sheep because planning by consensus is always a chaotic power vacuum. There is no solution to this, except to use technology to empower the individual to escape the failure of the collective. In the past the technology innovation was in the ability to populate new geographical frontiers. Now the technological innovation will be the anonymous and decentralized Knowledge Economy on the (new redesigned anonymous and decentralize) internet.

The key to understanding the outcome of this global sovereign debt crisis, is first to recognize that is not a nation-state phenomenon, rather it is global. The controllers this time are not the pawns (bureaucrats) figure heads in the nation-states, but rather the multi-national corporations and more specifically the global elite who own these.

Surely the global elite must understand that there is a huge level of overcapacity in the industrial (age) sectors. Whereas there is undercapacity in the Knowledge Age sectors, e.g. dearth of top computer programmers, etc.. Their goal is to maintain control while the industrial age declines and the knowledge age rises. They've placed their bets on Facebook, Google, etc.. They want to a centrally controlled internet and socialism. This is the only way they can maintain their overlordship status. They currently control all mass media too.

So they will maximize the debt levels and destruction of the global economy in order to plummet the sheep into an escapable socialism, wherein the entrepreneurs will always be targetted and destroyed if they don't sell out to the multi-nationals.

Of course we hackers are not going to allow them to do this. They will lose.

So it won't be society that wakes up. The hackers are already awake.

The global elite know this. Which is why they have a $3 trillion black budget for the NSA et al, so they are prepared for cyberwar.

Now prepare for battle and chaos. The sheep will be manipulated by the global elite throughout this.

I had written numerous times that the plan of the elite was to destroy and discredit the nation-state governance and central bank concept, such as quoted as follows from the "One-world reserve currency is inevitable" thread:

As I warned you, the countries will be pushed towards cooperating against financial crime:

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-panama-papers

The globalists are destroying the nation-states on purpose and inciting the masses to clamor for a global discipline on malfeasance. I've known for a long time this would be coming. One thing you will learn about me by observing me over time is my ability to predict the future. For example was my 2011 prediction that the nations would not exit the EU and instead would double-down for more sloppy seconds.

Below I am beginning to see that the elite factions are only coordinated philosophically (and their even subconscious selfish aims thereof), and that is the concept of top-down control and secrecy. The order-out-of-chaos aspect might be deliberate and/or it might just be the natural evolution of a species.

The following is a collection of links to some of my past writings.

It all distills down to top-down centralized control is inferior to decentralized accretion of outcomes and fitness.

Besides the lust for money, power, and subconscious Satanic absolute control, what pragmatically drives these globalists is they have too much stored monetary capital and need to deploy it with great economies-of-scale, because the larger one's stored monetary capital becomes, the more difficult it is to manage a good return-on-investment. This is simply the rule of Second Law of Thermodynamics that small things grow faster, e.g. saplings grow very fast eventually slowing to mature trees, but they can't grow to the moon:

First of all, I want to explain why the Second Law of Thermodynamics dictates that energy must always disperse from a hot to a cold body, and not the reverse of a colder body giving up energy becoming colder and making the hot body hotter. This is because the equation for entropy of any system is maximized by having as many equiprobable possible states, i.e. the probability is very high that a hot body with its very highly probable collision of moving particles due to high kinetic energy will transfer some kinetic energy to the slower moving particles in the cold body because it maximizes the entropy of the combined system of hot and cold bodies together. But that is sort of a tautology. The point is that random events are unlikely to be able to keep a system highly ordered and concentrated, just as random twists on a Rubik's cube are unlikely to solve it. Since there can't exist any top-down omniscience in the universe, the probability of maintaining ordered systems trends towards zero on a large enough scale. This is why one can keep small things in order for a while, but large endeavors unravel more quickly. For the same reason, small things grow faster, such as a saplings grow to trees, but trees don't grow to the moon.

This is of course in addition to the Iron Law of Political Economics, which insures that flies are attracted to honey, i.e. that those who can charge rents to the collective will be drawn in by the power vacuum of awarding authority to a process. I had even elaborated on the fact that the special interest groups include the voters themselves.  I had commented recently in the context of the Philippines' recent decision to instill vigilante killing of suspected drug dealers, about how authority is always corruptible but my comment was not advocating what you the brain washed Westerner reader has been indoctrinated to think is correct.

I had tied this numerous times (such as on May 06, 2014) into my essays about the death of passive capital and the rise of a Knowledge Age that I think will be more immune to financialization. I even wrote a sequel as my prior blog The Golden Knowledge Age is Rising. I even related why usury must exist in order to attain growth within a stored monetary capital paradigm and yet must be a boom-and-bust, power vacuum phenomenon. Even centralized economy-of-scale driven industrial production requires financialization because it is not anti-fragile w.r.t. to force majure, long-tail distributions, and natural variance.

And there was my proclamation in 2014 that the solution would be decentralization. And again I reiterated that collectivized voting is the problem, with the implication that the only robust, resilient solution is decentralization.

I even nailed the homerun point that crypto-currency doesn't depend on ubiquitous confidence to become a global unit-of-exchange, because it doesn't rely on collectivized force to attain a precarious debt-based value. Even gold has to be stamped and assayed by a collective authority, which Proof-of-Work doesn't suffer, yet the remaining challenge is that neither Proof-of-Work nor (even Distributed) Proof-of-Stake are immune to economies-of-scale which enable centralized control (which is the remaining challenge of crypto-currency which I intend to solve!).

The premise that we can protect all the people is fundamentally implausible, which is what leads these Liberals astray into evil outcomes.

It is ironic that Liberals view themselves as selfless people focused on the good of the collective.

Another aspect we can note about Hillary Clinton and the globalists, is they prefer secrecy instead of decentralized open source. But decentralized open source is the only positive scaling law of engineering because the sharing doesn't violate the maximum-divison-of-expertise and the decentralization doesn't incur the rigor mortis of the Mythical Man Month.

I remember telling my grandfather when I was 15 or 16 that VOTING IS THE
PROBLEM. How come I can figure that out at such a young age, yet grown men
still have this delusion and don't understand the thermodynamics of the
power vacuum. For as long as men are deluded by the lie of the power of
voting, they will forever be hamsters. The desire to collectivize creates
a Coasian barrier to maximum entropy. The globalists then are entrusted to
design in the creative destruction, which is precisely the destruction of
the nation-states ongoing. You see while the nation states die and head
towards world government, the entropy routes around the Coasian barrier
into the technology arena, e.g. the crypto-currency era is born. In other
words, the only thing that has ever worked are frontiers that route around
the desire of stupid men to collectivize their votes. From the Biblical
perspective, the astute insight (whether God exists is irrelevant to
whether the lesson is astute) God tried to teach men this in 1 Samuel 8,
but men did not listen. So God said let them have their government and
reap what it will sow. 1 Samuel 15 was a fulfillment of the outcome of
such a Coasian barrier.

...

The world government already exists, but not yet in the open. THE DEEP
STATE is already the defacto government. You have written about its
existence.

You contradict yourself. You state elite groups can't cooperate, yet you
admit the very powerful DEEP STATE exists. What you fail to incorporate
into your logic is the thermodynamic fact that organisms (even in a Petri
dish) can be incentivized to cooperate within a Coasian barrier by some
common survival or profit strategy. Did Thatcher win on the EU? No! The
Bilderbergs and the DEEP STATE won.

You only see the creative destruction of the nation-states as the
invisible hand. The elite power structure is a natural Coasian result and
it isn't invisible. It exists. You even admitted it exists. You think the
DEEP STATE is temporary, yet it has been there since the time of the Kings
and it is growing more and more intrusive and powerful.

You should go listen to Hillary speak on Youtube where was speaking at the
CFR so you can correct your erroneous assumption.

As the nation-states collapse in the sovereign debt crisis, the borrower
is slave to the lender, and the defacto government will transitioned to
the official government. The EU Commission is an early example of this
open form of dictatorship that already exists in THE DEEP STATE.

...

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/26/hollande-calls-for-eu-to-reduce-its-role/

Quote from: Armstrong
The people of Europe never agreed to the Federalization
of Europe. The politicians thought they were clever and would sneak this
agenda in little by little. I have stated that they came to me at the
start of design. I told them flat outright the euro would fail unless
there was the nationalization of all member debts. They did not think they
could get the support for that at the time and pushed forward creating a
federal bureaucracy and a single currency. The design was a disaster and
warned them at that time the euro would fail. Without a consolidation of
the member debts, the euro could NEVER compete against the dollar nor
become the reserve currency lacing a deep market to park money.

The bureaucrats were given the ideology and agenda you saw on the public
face of it, but the globalist damn well knew they were creating it to fail
on purpose, because they knew the nation-states of Europe would be
destroyed by it and no longer able to return to sovereignty.

It is no longer reversible for economic reasons. To reverse it would be
mean too much pain for European boomers who are too old to fight and
rebuild.

The globalists' plan is working out as planned.

Yet you only see the public face it. You are fooled by the magician's
illusion, i.e. you are a sheep and can only see the ass of the sheep in
front of you.

Rising taxes is the stage where the nation-states self-destruct, as
planned. To usher in the power vacuum (chaos and misery) that gives rise
to an international discipline and solution circa 2032.

They are consolidating top-down control with a strategy of aiding and
abetting corruption of the nation-state institutions (e.g. Goldman Sachs
hid Greece's financials with derivatives to help worsen their sovereign
debt crisis), which will cause the global population to accede to reform
which will involve globalized institutions for transparency of
nation-states. For example, there will end up one international trade
currency, which the other nation-state currencies will float against. And
you Martin have even advocated this outcome!

One the multi-nationals get their tentacles on these globalized
institutions, they will truly have achieved taxation and government
without representation. We will be effectively ruled from far away and our
nation-state governments will just be figureheads, e.g. like the European
Parliament wherein the European Commission really has all the power.

...destroying the nation-state is part of the globalist plan (thoroughly documented above and in prior communications). The globalists foment the brain-dead actions and outcome of the politicians and the sheep.

The global elite are a natural outcome of the power vacuum of democracy and widespread communication technology and the shift to the Knowledge Age are driving the consolidation of global political power.

...Why would a globalist elite intent on destroying the nation-state sovereignty want to rescue the current structure of Western society? Instead by design, they want to crash and burn the current structure, so that the world will turn only to an international solution to political organization.

And they are succeeding. It is going exactly according to plan.

...

* the globalists won't be prepared to offer the new financial system until after the destroy and discredit the nation-states, so this open a period of a decade or two where there will be no other option except crypto-currency.

Btw, I see as I expected the globalists are pitching their NWO solution in the guise of discrediting their nation-state central banking:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522050.msg5784742#msg5784742

Zuckerberg sent a letter too, yet Facebook and Google continue to increase their technologies for tracking everything. Facebook even monitors your pattern of typing so they can identify you even when you are not login. Google works on driveless cars and tracking you on every site via cookies and their ads on nearly every blog and website.

The fascism is not decreasing. There are only some nice letters sent to appease the public post-Snowden, whilest the reality is the fascism is increasing and will more so with FATCA and Obamacare so that only those multi-nationals can do business internationally and domestically.
Checkmate on the economy and the slide into the abyss of a Dark Age.

The people will protest and demand reform. And the globalists will give them an IMF controlled international reserve currency reset and global oversight for transparency of the nation-state corruption, to further enslave the people in Rothschild's control over the money supply (then the globalists will have their fingers on a global central banking lever).

...

In all cases, the globalists are funding and involved in these. Andy Sutton documented the money trail of their involvement with the Bolsheviks, etc.. The power vacuum of voting (collectivism) always creates
Totalitarianism. There are 0 exceptions in history, if you distill it down to the generative essence and thus fundamental truth. For example, see my point about Athen's democracy in the prior email yesterday. Therein the globalists were the slave owner "citizens" (who were a fraction of the global population that was enslaved).

Quote from: Armstrong
The only Republic that did not transform into an oligarchy was that of Genoa. There the richest families ruled, but each rotated as the Doge for one year. Thus, they never became Draconian for they feared retaliation the next year and they would be subject to their own laws. Career politicians are always exempt under our current system. Genoa did not fall into a rich v poor, it was business always that benefited the entire city for it perpetually competed against Florence and Venice. You simply cannot have career politicians – NO EXCEPTIONS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Genoa#13th_and_14th_century

You again identify the symptom and not the cause! The symptom was competitive chaos that disallowed a dominant power structure to take over (thus preventing entrenched vested interests, i.e. your buzzword "career politicians"). But what caused that and thus enabled it? Come on man, think.

DECENTRALIZATION was how society rose out of the Dark Age of Western Rome.  And it will be exactly the same this time. The decentralization won't be driven by the top-down due to some reform of collectivism, rather from individuals and groups breaking free to new frontiers and competing from there...

Quote from: Armstrong
This is why as say it is NOT Capitalism that is in its death-throes, it is Socialism.

To be more precise, it is passive capital that is dying also, as we are moving into a decentralized Knowledge Age wherein the individual can create and distribute from his own knowledge capital (due to computers, internet, 3D printing, robotics, etc) and thus stored capital is dying.

Quote from: Armstrong
Eventually, they will create a new currency, default on the obligations, and we get a reset. This is where tangible assets come in. ALL ASSETS survive such a rest PROVIDED there is no war that results in the destruction of the infrastructure as we saw after World War II.

All tangible assets will be confiscated or end up illiquid. No exceptions. Stored capital is dying. We are leaving the Industrial Age wherein fixed capital was necessary. You are missing the entire trend. You are only looking at the highly VISIBLE symptoms and Bureaucrats and not looking deeper.
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February 17, 2017, 04:32:34 AM
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Regarding a cultural evolutionary strategy, it is interesting to note the case of the Pythagoreans and their 2000 year cultural impact:

https://www.scribd.com/document/253978994/From-Mathematics-to-Generic-Programming-Alexander-Stepanov (see page 40).
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Why Stage #5 will be so destructive:

Moreover, Gen. Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”


The universal surveillance is going to be massive corruption that takes the world down into the depths of chaos.

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I've read through the PM's & Collapse thread...

But iamnotback makes some great points, namely:

during ww2 gold was used because it already the backbone of the system, unlike now.

as long as infrastructure survives (indicating a financial system collapse) the internet & the speed at which solutions can be engineered outside of governmental avenues. and crypto is blooming, could soon be as ubiquitous as mobile phones. if crypto overcomes onramping obstacles it could serve as the path of least resistance ie stored & sent via mobile phones.

that a total financial system collapse could shove us into a dark age of food shortages (4 meal theory) and need for weapons. in isolated or war torn areas, are PM's more viable than food or ammo.

And incorporate the creative destruction aspect of Stage #5.

So clearly we see what is being created is the antithesis of the NWO, i.e. the decentralized society that is rising to become Stage #6.

This is why the goldbugs are entirely wrong. The NWO is going to take Universal Surveillance control over the tangible economy and destroy it. All tangible stores of wealth will die, and only the new decentralized forms of capital in the Knowledge Age will survive.

And unlike the Fall of the Western Roman Empire, this NWO will be geographically global. The frontier this time will not be geographical (i.e. no Byzantine Eastern Empire), but rather the decentrzalized online economy will be the release value and frontier that provides the way out of the creative destruction.

This is absolutely crucial to understand. And I as @AnonyMint have been explaining this since 2012 with my seminal essay in the Economic Devastation thread and then the various quotes since such as in 2014.

The only source of Marxism is the Jews, it does not originate from anywhere else.

The actual source is the power vacuum created by the natural requirement to concentrate fixed capital in the Industrial Age. The banksters just stepped into that natural power vacuum.
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It is very crucial that readers you understand what Stage #5 entails and the timing.

The French election in April/May will set fire to the EU and Euro, that will accelerate the short dollar vortex. When the short dollar vortex peaks after roughly 2018, then the USA goes over the cliff and all hell breaks loose in the world. Also a pandemic could start as soon as 2019 (e.g. imagine what war such as when they catapulted the diseased corpses over the walls to spread the Bubonic Plague into Europe that killed 50% of Europe's population in the Black Death and global cooling can unleash with 70 - 80% of those in the Third World being infected currently with LTBI, i.e. latent Tuberculosis infection). Also the Maunder Minimum Ice Age has begun and will accelerate from 2020 going into 2030, causing cold and/or wet places to become frozen and/or flash floods and dry and/or warm places to become drought-sticken and hotter. The tropics (such as Venezuela) can suffer droughts. Mass starvation and/or enforced malnutritionary enslavement+eugenics is coming. So after 2032.95 (i.e. starting in 2033), the West will utterly collapse into chaos (with the USA headed into civil war and breakup):



By 2032, the other side of that turning point looks to be a serious risk of total chaos in the West, and the financial capital of the world will move to Asia. Keep in mind that Asia is NOT PART OF the bail-ins that governments in the West have signed into law. Asia is void of the real structural flaws that are going to cause the collapse of the United States and Europe. These people stirring up the protests do not realize that they cannot simply overthrow Trump and everything will be OK. This will lead to unimaginable confrontation and history provides a guide to how the military will itself split.



During the Nika Revolt, the angry mob began shouting insults at the emperor and began to assault the palace. The palace fell under virtual siege for 5 days and people were fed up with the high taxes and the government like we see today. The mob set fires that began to spread and much of the city now was engulfed in the flames as they have done recently setting fires to various things.

The local police and military troops would not suppress the mob and then some of the Senators called for the overthrow of the emperor. The troops would not defend the emperor. Fortunately, one legion was stationed outside the capital. They were not composed of local Greeks so they had no problem killing Greeks. They came to the aid of the Emperor, entered the city, and killed all the protesters.

What is going on is very similar to the Nika Revolt. Asking the military to overthrow Trump is just totally insane. These people have absolutely no concept of what they would unleash. The military will split and we will have troops fighting troops on American soil as we saw in the decline of the Roman Empire. Anyone who thinks they can overthrow Trump and that will end everything, they are out of the mind. This will be just the beginning of the end. History does repeat.

Edit: to expound a little on the risk of a pandemic. I think the multi-drug resistant strains of superbugs is likely going be the cause of the next pandemic. For example, there are so many Tuberculosis patients in the Philippines who don't finish their 6 month drug therapy and thus the MDR strains are 14.3% (resistant to the two main line drugs) if the new active TB cases. The rate of resistance to all 4 of the TB mainline drugs is roughly 0.5% already in the Philippines for reported active cases at hospitals, but these MDR strains are spreading now as LTBI and we will see the actual incidence of MDR on a lag of several years. For example tonight my gf told me her cousin didn't finish his 6 month prescription and starting drinking Tanduay rum instead as a "treatment" and "he is fine". I got so angry. I said, "he is not fine, he is a public health menace likely being a carrier and manufacturer of MDR TB strains now, with 1000s or millions to be infected downstream from his gross negligence. And since the turn of the 21st century, filipinos have been leaving the country in droves to go work abroad throughout the world as laborers and domestic helpers, thus spreading this LTBI thoughout the world. Note some countries such as the USA require a chest xray for immigrants, but this is not conclusive for LTBI! The Quantiferon test is conclusive, but it costs around $200 and so filipinos can't afford it (the test isn't even generally available in the Philippines). Also you have the rapefugees migration of the Third World into the heart of Europe, likely being carriers of a very high incidence of LTBI.

Worldwide, in 2008, there were an estimated 440,000 new cases of MDR-TB and 150,000 deaths from MDR-TB. Estimates show that 3.3 percent of new TB cases are really MDR-TB.

As the Maunder Minimum kicks in and an Ice Age causes massive malnutrition, then we can see the MDR strains of LTBI triggered to active at massively accelerated rates (currently as reported by the WHO only 0.3% of the population per year in the Philippines, at least for cases reported to hospitals).

This is not a joke. And note TB can't be eradicated like smallpox because there is no effective TB vaccine, and if we even tried to give therapy to those 2+ billion people infected with LTBI, we would end up with massive MDR strain proliferation.

Rome's example is instructive.
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I don't think we will reach stage #6.  The Singularity will hit us first.  We are just the breading ground for the machines to take over.  They will take over the totalitarian mechanisms set in place in stage #5.
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