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Question: Do you agree with the principles of the Dark Englightment?
yes to all - 13 (17.1%)
most of them - 30 (39.5%)
less than a majority of them - 11 (14.5%)
none of them - 22 (28.9%)
Total Voters: 76

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March 02, 2014, 04:51:33 AM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here. This is intended for the high IQ audience of Eric's blog.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg5457696#msg5457696




I voted "most of them". I agree with ESR's comments:

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-424645

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>Out of curiosity, why do you believe this ideology worthy of a lengthy series? Nothing against it, I’m just wondering what the trigger was.

Because they have a flavorful mix of dangerous truth-telling and utter bogosity going on.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-424636
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...Furthermore, if it were actually true, the DE would be entirely a noisome fever-swamp of bad ideas, rather than just rotten in spots.


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March 02, 2014, 08:08:52 AM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

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March 02, 2014, 08:15:59 AM
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im so sad i cant read it cuz me stupido:(

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March 02, 2014, 10:33:13 AM
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Complaint the first: We are all being lied to – massively, constantly, systematically – by an establishment that many DE writers call “the Cathedral”. Its power is maintained by inculcation in the masses of what a Marxist (but nobody in the DE, ever, except ironically) would call “false consciousness”. The Cathedral’s lies go far deeper than what most people think of as normal tactical political falsehoods or even conspiracy theories, down to the level of some of the core premises of post-Enlightenment civilization and widely cherished beliefs about the sustainability of racial equality, sexual equality, and democracy.

Conspiracy theories go way deeper than this.

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March 02, 2014, 10:37:49 AM
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Where does the term Dark Enlightenment come from? Inspired by the pugnacious writings of Mencius Moldbug, the prolific blogger who serves as the movement’s unofficial center of gravity, the neologism is the creation of philosopher Nick Land. In 2012, Land wrote an impressively thorough manifesto titled simply The Dark Enlightenment, which boldly articulates the movement’s central thesis: “For the hardcore neo-reactionaries, democracy is not merely doomed, it is doom itself. Fleeing it approaches an ultimate imperative.” The essay continues, ”[Neo-reaction] conceives the dynamics of democratization as fundamentally degenerative: systematically consolidating and exacerbating private vices, resentments, and deficiencies until they reach the level of collective criminality and comprehensive social corruption.”

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March 02, 2014, 12:27:40 PM
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Being offended or jealous about the warning of highly intellectual content ahead, implies that you are not confident that you are in the category of highly intellectual.

I'm game to explain why "capacity" is a more appropriate word than "capability" in this context, rather I think I will leave them to their Dunning-Kruger bliss.

Interesting to see the votes thus far. I expect most Bitcoiners will not vote "no".

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March 02, 2014, 01:06:49 PM
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Being offended or jealous about the warning of highly intellectual content ahead, implies that you are not confident that you are in the category of highly intellectual.
No, being offended by the warning of highly intellectual content when said content is the opposite of highly intellectual actually implies that you're a dumbass who can't tell the difference between a rational argument and a bullshit rationalisation for blatant racism/sexism/other -isms I'm probably forgetting, and our comments were intended to be insults to that effect.

I'm game to explain why "capacity" is a more appropriate word than "capability" in this context, rather I think I will leave them to their Dunning-Kruger bliss.
I'm aware of the context of your expression, I was merely using wordplay to craft an insult which apparently went right over your head, so I'll rephrase it in terms you can understand: you're dumb. If you disagree, well, you're welcome to your Dunning-Kruger bliss.

Interesting to see the votes thus far. I expect most Bitcoiners will not vote "no".
Get used to disappointment.

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March 02, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here. This is intended for the high IQ audience of Eric's blog.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg5457696#msg5457696
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I have long studied the mechanisms of Dark.  For example, the curious Dark Switches on the wall that when turned in the down position, suck all the light out of the room.  These can be noted to be connected to the active mechanism, the Dark Bulb, for for the newly energy conscious, the Dark Noodle.

There is a massively huge Dark which orbits the Earth and vacuums up light on a 24 hour basis.  It was once believed that all of these minor Dark entities originate from the Dark Side of the Moon.  Now we know that verily, it is the Poles of the Moon which shelter the Craters of Eternal Dark, where for billions of years only the light of far away stars has impacted.

Then there are Books, which cannot even be read in the Dark, which proves their transient nature and even worse, computer screens the abject enemy of Dark, intruding into every corner with luminiscent glowing horrror.
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March 02, 2014, 02:33:35 PM
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I just put Eric S. Raymond, Jeremy Rifkin and Martin Armstrong into SCIgen and it produced for me a verbatim transcript of Anonymints posts as presented on Bitcointalk, postulating his Theory of Everything  Grin.

    [I'm only joking Anonymint - as little as I care to admit it I find myself strangely drawn to your posts - in the very same way that some people are drawn to a car crash. I always come away feeling a little ashamed of myself  Embarrassed.]

I don't have much to add on the Dark Enlightenment, its way over my feeble head - but I think you may find more like minded people here - and possibly a more stimulating discussion for yourself.
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March 02, 2014, 03:27:12 PM
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Being offended or jealous about the warning of highly intellectual content ahead, implies that you are not confident that you are in the category of highly intellectual.
No, being offended by the warning of highly intellectual content when said content is the opposite of highly intellectual actually implies that you're a dumbass who can't tell the difference between a rational argument and a bullshit rationalisation for blatant racism/sexism/other -isms I'm probably forgetting, and our comments were intended to be insults to that effect.

1. You've conflated ESR's highly intellectual taxonomy with the comment thread which ensued (below it) with the likes of the racist James A Donald. Conflation is a trait of those who are not highly intellectual.

2. You've conflated manisfestations of truth which conflict with your sense of fairness and conflate these with irrational -isms. For example, the statement that blacks on average have lower IQs than whites is a scientifically measured fact. Also some of James' statements about hypergamy are in fact true. However, he uses these correct facts ("Damned Facts") to further his racist political control agenda because average anything is not congruent with degrees-of-freedom and if you've read any of my intellectual writings then you know I how important I think degrees-of-freedom are to fitness.

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Sorry Foxpuppy.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5238&cpage=1#comment-425074

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>I am afraid the Dark in DE does attract people with a longing to the brutal aspects of ancient times.

On the other hand, sometimes it takes a werewolf to speak Damned Facts.


Interesting to see the votes thus far. I expect most Bitcoiners will not vote "no".
Get used to disappointment.

At least it is congruent.

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March 02, 2014, 04:29:05 PM
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I just put ... and Martin Armstrong into SCIgen and it produced for me a verbatim transcript of Anonymints posts as presented on Bitcointalk, postulating his Theory of Everything  Grin.

Hey fool, Martin Armstrong is always correct.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/02/the-cycles-of-war-model-why/

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QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong, I have followed you since your 1985 conference in Princeton. It was your advertisement in the Economist that caught my eye when you bluntly stated that the deflation was over and a major change in trend was at hand. I watched you forecast the takeover boom and I was shocked by your forecast that the Dow Jones would rally from 1000 to 6000 back then. The 1987 Crash was a real eye opener for the very day you pronounced the low was in place and new highs would be seen, the Elliot Wave people said a crash like 1929 was beginning. I watched in amazement your call on Japan, then the currency crisis of South East Asia. Your forecast for the fall of communism and then Russia in 1998 was shocking, however, I must confess, I was not entirely certain how you could do politics and markets. Then the rumors were Goldman Sachs and Buffet wanted you silenced. When it came to markets, I do not think there is anyone who can even come close to your track record. Now I have watched your Cycle of War and after all of these years I think the light has finally gone on. This is what you mean when you say it is all connected. You cannot be right on so many trends for so long unless you were correct about the structure. So do I now get a gold star?

Thanks for everything;

JCH

Include his recent prediction that Gold & silver would top in 2011 and then decline to below $1200 into 2014 at least. Goldbugs were resisting all the way down, until they finally capitulated to $1150 recently.

Edit: here is another list of amazing predictions he did correctly:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160612.msg2864869#msg2864869

Add: here is yet another list I compiled years ago and had forgotten about:

http://goldwetrust.up-with.com/t11p30-stocks-vs-precious-metals-vs-bonds-vs-real-estate#4728


http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/16/20305/

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A client has tweeted a picture of a slide from our 1998 World Economic Conference tour we did around the globe. In retrospect those forecasts were simply astonishing all based upon alignments with the ECM. I think if I had another whole lifetime, this whole thing would keep me occupied trying to figure out this amazing order masked by what people think is random chaos. The ECM is simply the frequency of life for everything seems to align with it no matter what the field. The mere fact there are the Four Blood Moons that line up to 2 days before the turning point 2015.75 when there was no input regarding planetary movement is just mind-bending.

This is not my theory – it was my discovery.



http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/16/is-anything-really-random/

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ANSWER: It is impossible to create any system that is random. No matter what, in computing, a pattern will always emerge precisely as this pretend random image that quickly falls into a pattern. It is simply impossible to create a truly random number generator. In gambling, there are card counters that they make illegal. Look at a casino and you will notice that they rotate the dealers regularly moving them from table to table. WHY? Because they will end up in a pattern.

Armstrong is correct. The more scientific way of stating is that the entropy of the universe is not infinite, rather it trends to maximum. Thus Bitcoin's proof-of-work is more randomized than proof-of-stake, because the entropy of spontaneous outcomes includes every computer in the network trying to guess the mathematical solution (for the nonce of the hash) to the next block in the block chain.

How can you all continue to deny that NOTHING in the universe is random?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics (which even Einstein said was more fundamental than his relativity) says entropy trends to maximum, not is infinite. Infinite entropy would be required for a truly random universe.

If you want to explore more the meaning of infinity w.r.t. to our universe and the properties of our minds, see my two blog essays:

http://unheresy.com/The%20Universe.html#Matter_as_a_continuum
http://unheresy.com/Information%20Is%20Alive.html#Algorithm_!=_Entropy

Rather the appearance of disorder (a.k.a. randomness) is an illusion of complexity of high entropy.

Maximum entropy is obtained with the maximum number of potential equiprobable outcomes, i.e. maximum degrees-of-freedom which is same as saying maximum potential energy. I explain that and give citations at following posts:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg3804256#msg3804256
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg4576810#msg4576810
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=355212.msg3852724#msg3852724

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March 02, 2014, 09:28:02 PM
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The diagram of the Dark Enlightenment above is incomplete.
It is missing Contentionism. I corrected this omission.
 


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March 02, 2014, 09:52:24 PM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here. This is intended for the high IQ audience of Eric's blog.
Grin Oh look my IQ is above 9000.

Are social skills are part of intellectual capacity? You got to practice yours Wink
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March 02, 2014, 11:44:06 PM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?

Hahahahaha
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March 03, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
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1. You've conflated ESR's highly intellectual taxonomy with the comment thread which ensued (below it) with the likes of the racist James A Donald. Conflation is a trait of those who are not highly intellectual.
Unlikely, since I haven't even read the comments.

2. You've conflated manisfestations of truth which conflict with your sense of fairness and conflate these with irrational -isms.
I have not.

For example, the statement that blacks on average have lower IQs than whites is a scientifically measured fact. Also some of James's statements about hypergamy are in fact true.
I do not (and did not) dispute this.

However, he uses these correct facts ("Damned Facts") to further his racist political control agenda because average anything is not congruent with degrees-of-freedom and if you've read any of my intellectual writings then you know I how important I think degrees-of-freedom are to fitness.
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.

Sorry Foxpuppy.
No need to apologize; I know you're doing the best you can.

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Are social skills are part of intellectual capacity? You got to practice yours Wink

Fuck social skills, the "code is the law". The truth can be abrasive, yet the code is going to win if correctly designed.

I can (will) kick your loser beta-male, ass with algorithms. Don't you know you are controlled by alpha-males and always will be. Of course as a beta-male you can't even admit this to yourself.

Ego is for Little People.

That first sentence in the OP was a litmus test to see if you are beta ("B-list") or alpha ("A-list").

I do hope you understand that Satoshi proved that in the world of open source, crypto-currency, reputation and identity of the creator has nothing to do with the success or failure.

This is the next frontier for open source. The Benevolent Dictator will not be chosen based on his personality, rather on the awesomeness of the code he creates and the expertise and wisdom in directing and integrating the code commits of others.

Besides I am a very nice person, have more friends than my Dunbar limit, and am generally smiling, joking and having a great time with total strangers every day. It is only these butthurt B-listers in forums who seem to have a problem with their ego.

Note Linus Torvalds regularly pisses people off, because he explained that being a Finn and not wanting to give people a misleading direction, he regularly speaks very frankly (and thus abrasively in terms of B-lister ego).

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March 03, 2014, 03:10:28 AM
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The reason I find ESR's blog interesting in spite of the many (high IQ or at least articulate) socialists, feminists, racists, etc who populate his comment threads, is because there are few there (ESR included) who help distill generative essence of fundamental trends, e.g. Eric's The Cathedral and the Bazaar was the articulation of the generative essence for Bitcoin.

I go there to check my rationality and gain synergies about formulating the core trends in the Knowledge Age.

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March 03, 2014, 03:58:14 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441414.msg5475483#msg5475483

Gavin could possibly have received a National Security Letter but would be compelled to answer "No" if you asked him as Linus Torvalds did while shaking his head "yes".

Let's not demonize him. He is a public figure. He is a human who probably who cares deeply about others (Sociopaths are very small percentage of the population). He probably has rationalized his situation so he can remain sane.

Satoshi solved the Byzantine Generals' problem, which had no known solution since its discovery in 1975. This enabled decentralized trust of untrusted (uncertain if can trust) peers.

Gavin as well intentioned as he may be, must be considered an untrusted peer. Thus the system of a controlling foundation is not to be trusted.

Actions speak louder than words. Judge by the merits of the action.

"Talk is cheap, show me the code"-- Linus Torvalds.

Normally we assume the code can't lie, due to the Linus rule (coined by Eric S Raymond), "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow".


You can see several things above I learned from ESR's blog and comment threads.

  • The Trusting Trust linked from "Normally" above.
  • The Linus rule.
  • The importance of the Benevolent Dictator (there is our Contentionism CoinCube)
  • Discussion of sociopaths.

P.S. The Linus quote I first saw on a girl's facebook, lol.  Cheesy

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March 03, 2014, 04:18:32 AM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

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But I really don't know what he's still doing here , together with us , people with low volume.

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March 03, 2014, 08:57:25 AM
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Warning, this will exceed the intellectual capacity of most readers here.

So why are you reading it?
He said capacity, not capability. Capacity as in "empty space", of which his brain has a disproportionately large amount, compared to most readers here.

Oh  !!!!  that was a good one.
But I really don't know what he's still doing here , together with us , people with low volume.

Why are you still posting juvenile cat fights in my thread?  Roll Eyes

You are quite talented at wasting time.

You invest your life in your butthurt ego. Have you ever accomplished anything?

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