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March 03, 2014, 12:00:17 PM
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Tracking a big multi-accounts guy with 40+ accounts...

Found 4 so far:

overthetop2011
6cb1b5a2c2de12bf44ab03e36d157531774631905a58edc048078246f51051a0

LifeisGreat88088
cf3d243b13c27d47efbed5c4d6504679919dccf9e996331ce601f398021e9a8e

25104070

efb57b9e127584245b448ddeb66d8922dffb80888320dcf8603b6b5870a4b599

omanibeimeihong123
0ffe6d78a94a4382e068f17046b79af31fae633cf16bbb38a74953b561305b73


 Shocked how did u link these accounts. good job
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March 03, 2014, 12:57:34 PM
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1) I did try to get folks think this fundraising twice before sending money since no white paper no detail development plan at that time and I also communicated with utopianfuture that if i am wrong I will say sorry to him once this coin go live.

2)I spread NEM to some chinese alt-coin community that was how I get a 2nd stake for my MOM in china.


But any way , good work. Thanks

Wow, here is an interesting thing and i wonder if you guys have seen it.

A man named "sfinder" said NEM is just a SCAM. Smiley

Link
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448248.0

The funny thing is i find "sfinder" in the NEM stakeholder list! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

So how do you think about it, buddies???

Can anybody tell me why the guy named "sfinder" appears FOUR times in the thread 2 of stakeholder list?

He even said NEM is just a SCAM.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448248.0


Maybe he will spread NEM to the world and the mooooooon
Prove it

for your mom? your mom must be fifty years old and know very well about crypto.  Shocked
but sorry, it's against NEM's spirit.
if you get a 2nd stake. ok, fine. i have to tell you my mom and dad also know about crypto and they both said NEM will be a nice coin!
BTW, i also have ten brothers and sisters. forgive my big family, we all knows about NEM!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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March 03, 2014, 01:16:08 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.  

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?
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March 03, 2014, 01:30:38 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.  

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?

How is refunding stealing money ?

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March 03, 2014, 01:40:42 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.  

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?

How is refunding stealing money ?

Reading comprehension, do you have it?
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March 03, 2014, 01:45:36 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.  

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?

How is refunding stealing money ?

Reading comprehension, do you have it?

Hey, be a little bit respectful, Pat has been working really hard for this project. OK he did not read the whole thing but you could have pointed out his mistake in a better way.
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March 03, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
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Wooowwww...
Great job.

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March 03, 2014, 01:50:13 PM
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Maybe it could be fair to charge an auditing fee of some kind. 10% of the refund or something like that.
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March 03, 2014, 01:56:45 PM
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Maybe it could be fair to charge an auditing fee of some kind. 10% of the refund or something like that.

I think they have a bounty or something not really sure. Its a lot of work though, I have seen pat being hounded by so many people about their stakes.  Auditors ( Kooream, PAT) should be rewarded for their efforts for sure.
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March 03, 2014, 01:58:51 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.  

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?

yes, refunding is the best way.

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March 03, 2014, 02:16:02 PM
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HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS AFTER 5 HOURS OF AUDITION

1. I don't think that fraudsters should be refunded. Their money should be spent for NEM promotion.

2. I found two more big fraudsters and I need about 3 hours more to match txids with names. We need more people doing audition, or bigger reward for auditors.

3. I checked about about 50 random transactions and found 5 fraudsters and 4 of them are big which means there are roughly 10% of fraudsters.

Totally disagree.  You can't outright steal someone's money.  Send it back to where it came from.

Did someone already find your sockpuppets?  Grin

Totally uncalled for.  Maybe someone should check the auditors accounts.  I have no sockpuppets.   

Anyway, do you really think it's fine to steal someone's money?

yes, refunding is the best way.
The rule is very clear. They waste our time to audit. They should be punished. I agree their money should be spent for NEM promotion, and some of their money should be rewarded to the  audit people.

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March 03, 2014, 02:17:54 PM
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Maybe it could be fair to charge an auditing fee of some kind. 10% of the refund or something like that.

Afaik the bounties are being funded with 2 dev stakes that will be split up among all successfull bounty hunters Smiley
If someone is refunded they'll get their entire money back. A fee would have had to have been pointed out in the original fundraising which didn't happen. Changing rules afterwards isn't our style Wink

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March 03, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
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Maybe it could be fair to charge an auditing fee of some kind. 10% of the refund or something like that.

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March 03, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
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I know some fraudster buy NXT or bitcoin from exchanges and register new name used to join NEM. These accounts have nothing connection, all the money come from exchanges. We may never find them out.

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March 03, 2014, 02:24:37 PM
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We should do what we can to the best of our efforts, sadly some will get away with it Sad
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March 03, 2014, 02:45:21 PM
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Maybe it could be fair to charge an auditing fee of some kind. 10% of the refund or something like that.

+1
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Oh, man, how many  sockpuppets do you have?
I check you post history, I find you join in trans.id.   6497056518007193095.
And I track this trans.id. I find you master account is 8879398320546536078. I find more than 5 times cash out to NEM accout:14343293611098709683.
I dont find you sockpuppets at this moment.
Is that the reason you opposed  to punish sockpuppets? Grin
PS: the owner of 8879398320546536078 is :syjrmswx

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March 03, 2014, 02:57:31 PM
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Can we stop with the auditing of everyone that posts in this thread.  Did anyone check me out yet?  Please audit me so I can post freely without some kind of allegation.  Thanks.
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March 03, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
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Hey everyone! Smiley

I have a question concerning sockpuppet accounts, i quickly explain my situation:
during the fund raising, a friend of mine talked to me about the NEM project and showed me the threads about NEM here on the forum, he told me that he reserved a stake spot for himself and that i should check out this project... i created my account here on bitcointalk and followed the NEM project for a few days and then i decided to reserve a stake spot for myself too because i really liked the idea of NEM and it's development plans. i paid for my stake in BTC and posted  it in the fundraising thread and after that i was set on the stakeholder list, so everything is fine. but after that i did not post anything else with my account and i only login sometimes to read some threads on the forum and to follow the NEM development but my account (johnsson93) is the only account i own and i am only interested in 1 NEM stake! so my question is: how can i be sure that i won't be identified as a sockpuppet account? i thought of it when i read the public auditing here. maybe i don't get everything concerning the technical possibilities to filter fake accounts but i thought that i could maybe be misidentified because of my low activity and creation time of my account... so i thought i'll just ask to prevent a misidentification of my account because this would be last thing i would like to happen... Smiley

Thank you! Smiley
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March 03, 2014, 03:55:01 PM
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Hey everyone! Smiley

I have a question concerning sockpuppet accounts, i quickly explain my situation:
during the fund raising, a friend of mine talked to me about the NEM project and showed me the threads about NEM here on the forum, he told me that he reserved a stake spot for himself and that i should check out this project... i created my account here on bitcointalk and followed the NEM project for a few days and then i decided to reserve a stake spot for myself too because i really liked the idea of NEM and it's development plans. i paid for my stake in BTC and posted  it in the fundraising thread and after that i was set on the stakeholder list, so everything is fine. but after that i did not post anything else with my account and i only login sometimes to read some threads on the forum and to follow the NEM development but my account (johnsson93) is the only account i own and i am only interested in 1 NEM stake! so my question is: how can i be sure that i won't be identified as a sockpuppet account? i thought of it when i read the public auditing here. maybe i don't get everything concerning the technical possibilities to filter fake accounts but i thought that i could maybe be misidentified because of my low activity and creation time of my account... so i thought i'll just ask to prevent a misidentification of my account because this would be last thing i would like to happen... Smiley

Thank you! Smiley

If you have only bought that one stake than there will be no further transactions associated to you. If that's the case then you have nothing to worry about.

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March 03, 2014, 04:22:28 PM
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Can we stop with the auditing of everyone that posts in this thread.  Did anyone check me out yet?  Please audit me so I can post freely without some kind of allegation.  Thanks.

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