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September 05, 2018, 07:14:44 PM
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The problem is in the high number of replies.

Who is going to read more than 1k comments and the one writing the last comment what is he going to add to the thread!
Besides, sometimes you find threads on the first page and after wasting your time reading it you discover that it was written years ago and an idiot pop it up by adding a new reply.
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A good comparison thanks ...
I want to ask a question - where are the moderators of this section, why they do not suspend the same topics?
Spam is very bad, but if the moderator for a couple of weeks will ban the same in the sense of the topic, believe it to stop.
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September 06, 2018, 12:05:36 AM
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That's insane!
I wonder what would be the results of the same analysis in Altcoin Discussion board knowing it is the most crowded board by replies/posts right now.

Altcoin Discussion works out similarly to Bitcoin Discussion, at a ratio of 4.36.

Now, if you sort by new threads in Bitcoin Discussion (and therefore include no spam-megathreads in the analysis) the ratio increases from 3.81 to 6.51. If you do the opposite, and only include threads with >200 posts, the ratio drops to 3.40. Some of the individual spam threads are coming in with ratios below 3.

I think this correlates with what we all suspect - no one is going in to a spam thread with 10+ pages of replies, and reading what is written. Half the time they don't even read the OP. They just churn out a line or two that has almost certainly been said before, that no one else will ever read.
Great research bro! Quite alarming stats to say the least.

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Some new threads with a low number of posts are still spam threads, because those sort of threads have been made multiple times.

Some example I see are like

Bitcoin won't die
Bitcoin's Future
Why is the Bitcoin price dropping?
What price will you sell your Bitcoin?

Scary to see...

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September 06, 2018, 03:39:32 AM
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As your subject have we left ?. I don't think something is remain to left. Already many times discussed about how to prevent spam. So many ideas came out from potentials member's but theymos never replied them and no any action. You don't think that already left ? All the newbie Jr. free to ware signature , so where they go to reply ? Obviously on Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion. Because this 2 board is easy to spaming. Many people's suggest to disable signature up to Jr. Members and required at least 1 merit for become Jr. Member's. Theymos don't think it would be help to prevent spam ?

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September 06, 2018, 03:50:08 AM
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Some new threads with a low number of posts are still spam threads, because those sort of threads have been made multiple times.

Simply because of their post counts. Almost 98% of these spam bastards are on a bounty campaign of some shitty tokens that they believe have a potential on making through the market.
Even the Mods doesn't bother anymore to delete topics on those boards. They'll just take their time deleting it if someone reports it.




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September 06, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
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I became a user of this forum recently. And I'm really very surprised by the huge number of meaningless posts.

When I began to carefully consider the messages in my topics, I came to the conclusion that many people perceive communication in this forum as a business.

People register several accounts and try to improve their reputation by stupid but much posting.

When I was here and began to read it all, I was very surprised at the fact that there are so many idiots in such a serious forum. And everyone does not care. Everyone is accustomed to this.
But as it turned out, these people are not idiots. It's simply impossible to create clever useful posts when you just need to develop your account to make money.

It seems to me that the problem with all this is that you can have several accounts on this forum. You will never monitor the quality of your messages if you have dozens of accounts.

Please explain to me why this decision was made? (allow multi-accounting)

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September 06, 2018, 02:53:34 PM
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Some example I see are like

Bitcoin won't die
Bitcoin's Future
Why is the Bitcoin price dropping?
What price will you sell your Bitcoin?

Scary to see...

Also
How can I earn free BTC
How much do you earn
Is it too late to buy BTC
...

I think any one writing such posts must be banned.

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September 06, 2018, 02:55:29 PM
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The problem is in the high number of replies.

No, the problem is in the starting of those discussions, or in the titles of them. Just read all the titles in that snap and you can have an idea that almost all of them, except for one or two, are useless discussions, no matter how many or less replies they have got until now. Those threads with less replies but with useless titles or starting posts are going to reach the same position very soon.

I want to ask a question - where are the moderators of this section, why they do not suspend the same topics?
Even the Mods doesn't bother anymore to delete topics on those boards.

I think they do, but spammers beat them by 10-100. They delete 10 posts, and meanwhile, there are literally 100 or more replies posted. They would absolutely get helpless in such situations. We need more mods for every section that is extremely congested, like Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion and some more.

there are so many idiots in such a serious forum. And everyone does not care. Everyone is accustomed to this.

It's not true that no one cares about all this, nor the fact that everyone is accustomed to this is right. It burns us like hell to see all this happening, but all we can do is to suggest things to prevent this from happening, and that is what we do. It is the decision of theymos (he's the Administrator, if you don't know) to implement something, and no one can really force him to do that unless he thinks/decides that something is right to be done.

It seems to me that the problem with all this is that you can have several accounts on this forum. You will never monitor the quality of your messages if you have dozens of accounts.

Please explain to me why this decision was made? (allow multi-accounting)

Although it has become a custom to have multiple accounts to earn money now a days, but having more than one account is not actually a bad thing at the first place, as long as they are not being used negatively. I would not blame someone to be bad only for having two accounts unless I find them using any one of them in something that is bad for the forum.
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Last edit: September 06, 2018, 03:50:51 PM by ni23457
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It seems to me that the problem with all this is that you can have several accounts on this forum. You will never monitor the quality of your messages if you have dozens of accounts.

Please explain to me why this decision was made? (allow multi-accounting)

Although it has become a custom to have multiple accounts to earn money now a days, but having more than one account is not actually a bad thing at the first place, as long as they are not being used negatively. I would not blame someone to be bad only for having two accounts unless I find them using any one of them in something that is bad for the forum.

I understand that when a person has a site, business, service, he can have separate accounts for this. But at registration you can add a radio button (An individual, A service) and then all service profiles will have a distinctive sign.
If you do not have services, companies, and you just communicate on this forum, then why do you need a dozen of accounts? I can not find any explanation other than to do business on this account farm. Of course, there may be other reasons, but I think this is 1% of cases.

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If you do not have services, companies, and you just communicate on this forum, then why do you need a dozen of accounts? I can not find any explanation other than to do business on this account farm. Of course, there may be other reasons, but I think this is 1% of cases.

Misuse of resources is what some humans do which they shouldn't. Now, just because it is not prohibited to have multiple accounts, it doesn't mean a person should start farming them for negative purposes and have a gigantic list of usernames and passwords saved in a text file on their computers or noted down on papers and kept in a safe like money. There are no official rules against having multiple accounts because people might as well need one more account for, as you said, another reason for which they cannot use their existing account for some reason. In such cases, you should create another account, but that is not what people do - and that is the reason why having multiple accounts is discouraged, though allowed.
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Many accounts are not welcome on our forum, but the rules are not forbidden - I understand correctly?
Then the solution to the problem with spam on the forum can be decided only by linking the account -and here arises the question of how you can bind an account so that a person does not create 2 and 3 accounts.
The one who will solve this problem will immediately solve the problem of the forum with spam. And believe me that immediately reduce the number of registered people for 70 percent on the forum.

P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.
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P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.
Not sure if you're really serious here. Do you really think it is necessary to introduce KYC here, in this forum, to reduce the amount of accounts spamming threads? Oh boy, oh boy, this, in my belief will never happen and will not solve much. Don't get me wrong. I feel you and I understand that you are trying come up with something to help the forum but this is just impossible.

 
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P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.
Not sure if you're really serious here. Do you really think it is necessary to introduce KYC here, in this forum, to reduce the amount of accounts spamming threads? Oh boy, oh boy, this, in my belief will never happen and will not solve much. Don't get me wrong. I feel you and I understand that you are trying come up with something to help the forum but this is just impossible.
I'll just add quote about KYC on Bitcointalk :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3097811 :
I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.




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September 06, 2018, 09:36:30 PM
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P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.
Not sure if you're really serious here. Do you really think it is necessary to introduce KYC here, in this forum, to reduce the amount of accounts spamming threads? Oh boy, oh boy, this, in my belief will never happen and will not solve much. Don't get me wrong. I feel you and I understand that you are trying come up with something to help the forum but this is just impossible.
I'll just add quote about KYC on Bitcointalk :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3097811 :
I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

Introduce KYC, what a terrible idea.

That said, I do miss bitcoin discussion and the speculation sections.  Both are now pretty useless for information or meaningful discussion. 

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September 06, 2018, 11:00:31 PM
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Add altcoin discussion.

Now, they're both a spamming thread. While vising those threads, you can see a lot of Jr. Members and newbie accounts. Obviously, some of them are just alternative accounts to abuse the bounty campaigns.

P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.
Not sure if you're really serious here. Do you really think it is necessary to introduce KYC here, in this forum, to reduce the amount of accounts spamming threads? Oh boy, oh boy, this, in my belief will never happen and will not solve much. Don't get me wrong. I feel you and I understand that you are trying come up with something to help the forum but this is just impossible.
I'll just add quote about KYC on Bitcointalk :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3097811 :
I'll get right on that, just as soon as hell freezes over.

Introduce KYC, what a terrible idea.

That said, I do miss bitcoin discussion and the speculation sections.  Both are now pretty useless for information or meaningful discussion. 

You should also ask satoshi and theymos to do the KYC before us to do the same.  Cheesy
Some of us working here anonymously and it's a good system to protect the identities of individuals. If you really wanted to implement KYC here, highers should do it first.


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September 07, 2018, 08:17:17 AM
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It really breaks my heart when I visit 'Bitcoin Discussion' board and see the amount of spam there.

I'm disappointed with the amount of spam on the forum. Participants forget about the purpose for which this site was created and mercilessly use it in their own self-serving petty goals. I've only been at the forum for a year, but I remember that there weren`t so many talentless posts before. And 'Bitcoin Discussion' was one of the most interesting branches, which was written by those who are really enjoy crypto-currencies and strive to understand their essence.

The forum is named "Bitcointalk" which technically means "Talking about Bitcoin" or something like that. And the place to do that (Bitcoin Discussion board) is covered totally with useless discussions that we don't even want to see. I know that we can't just get them out of there, but at least we can discuss our own things, separately, in that board. That is what Moderated Threads are all about.

Despite the fact that there isn`t less spam in 'Altcoin Discussion' and 'Economy', the most insulting is what 'Bitcoin Discussion' turned into. I click on this section, read the names of the topics and I feel sad. Despite this, I sometimes try to write something what I consider to be useful there, because I don`t want to give up and remain the main topic of Bitcointalk forum to the torment of spammers. I understand that many feel the same as I do. And many people no longer see the point in fighting with so much spam in 'Bitcoin Discussion' thread. But we need to remember that for the sake of these discussions the forum was created. And a conscious community must protect it.

If we create a separate topic in which only constructive and useful posts can be written, that will be moderate properly, then yes, we`ll protect ourselves from spam and it`ll be more pleasant for us to communicate with, those who share our attitude to qualified comments. However, this doesn`t eradicate the real problem, and 'Bitcoin Discussion' will be completely absorbed by the spammers. I believe that our task is to try to restore the high level of 'Bitcoin Discussion'. This isn`t easy, I know, and this requires the efforts of many responsible users, but we must stand up for a goal of creating our community. Many of us are indebted to Bitcointalk. It gathered real crypto-enthusiasts, who are ready to share their knowledge and thoughts with each other. And our duty is not allow to destroy this forum, not let it become a platform for easy money, for useless and insulting "work."



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September 07, 2018, 08:23:34 AM
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I've just visited the board, and I found a thread by a Hero that looked as if it might have had some potential, but the juniors have started to reply to it. What a shame it wasn't posted in serious discussion.

I was going to award another post with some merit, but the guy had made a full quote of a previous post for his reply, and he could have snipped out the relevant bit, so I didn't give him any merit. When will they learn to respect the readers of these threads.

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September 07, 2018, 08:46:26 AM
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Depends on the context really, and how much effort is put into the post. There's too many variables to paint everyone with the same brush, and it would need to be taken as a case by case basis. Duplicate questions aren't too bad, and some times invites healthy discussion.

I have tried my best to often start healthy discussions. Interested people can take a look at the posts that I often make in Bitcoin Discussion and Trading Discussion. I try to foster in a sense of goodwill among the people about crypto and make sure to give them advice on trading as well.

I pick up points that need to be discussed and talked about like we would have in case we were sitting in a park talking about investment ideas and methods but as well all knows shitposters tend to clog this area of the forum.For this reason I probably post only once or twice in a thread and by the time I return to the forum the following day the thread has already become a cesspool of garbage.  

How many of you have actually tried posting meaning content in these sections even after shitposting became widespread and/or the thread becomes a SMT? Or would you not participate there to talk to others even if a genuine discussion starts?

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September 07, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
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I've just visited the board, and I found a thread by a Hero that looked as if it might have had some potential, but the juniors have started to reply to it. What a shame it wasn't posted in serious discussion.

I was going to award another post with some merit, but the guy had made a full quote of a previous post for his reply, and he could have snipped out the relevant bit, so I didn't give him any merit. When will they learn to respect the readers of these threads.

This is why I prefer to start self-moderated threads, so the discussions are not spoiled by the newbies.

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Does this mean that you consider each newbie to have low posting quality/spammer? better replace newbies with "spammers" (so the discussions are not spoiled by the spammers)
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September 07, 2018, 12:09:50 PM
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P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.

Not a good idea. It would take forever for that to get implemented considering no one would agree for it.

A little tip for you: Putting a P.S at the end of every post doesn't really make it constructive. People only do that when it is needed, but your post history tells that you have made that to be your signature note. Concentrate on the quality of what you write, without adding anything extra to make it look better. And, you are clearly here for bounty hunting, which I could see in your post history, so maybe you should avoid trying to be concerned about the forum.

When will they learn to respect the readers of these threads.

When fire would no longer be hot, and ice would burn you if you touch it.
They don't even respect the place that fills their pockets. They eat and shit in the same plate, kind of.

How many of you have actually tried posting meaning content in these sections even after shitposting became widespread and/or the thread becomes a SMT? Or would you not participate there to talk to others even if a genuine discussion starts?

I'm regularly visiting the board only to see if there is something that I can read, and all I get is disappointment. I think yesterday, I saw a thread started by JC, discussing about the effects of different things on the price of Bitcoin in coming time, and I really enjoyed reading some of the posts in that thread, although I couldn't post anything there for not being so knowledgeable about some of the terms used in there. But what I saw that could have been better was that there were spammers involved in that discussion, and I just thought that maybe if the thread was self-moderated, we would not have to see those replies.

Does this mean that you consider each newbie to have low posting quality/spammer? better replace newbies with "spammers" (so the discussions are not spoiled by the spammers)

I never said that every newbie is a spammer, although I say this every time that the amount of spam we see comes mostly from lower ranked accounts, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any constructive or good posters in those ranks, but it is very rare to find them now a days.
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