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September 11, 2018, 08:41:23 AM
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It looks as if my Jet Aid initiative to help encourage good posting is dead in the water. I've closed the thread in beginners, and I've put the whole board on ignore. They seem more interested in talking about TwitBook spamming, getting merits without working, and teaching newbies how to bounty spam.

There seems to be an increase in infographics and other annoying ( to me ) images, and these large blocks are often quoted, which magnifies the problem. If you can't understand a concept by reading a bit of text, then what chance have you got of understand the concept of crypto, of course this assumes that posters can produce a coherent description. Images are handy for statistical graphs of course, but there is no need to keep re-quoting them throughout a thread. This seems to be indicative of a drift towards a schoolroom posting community. There would also seem to be a belief that creating amateurish infographics is a way to earn merits.

I seem to have started quite a few projects, and most have a pretty low level of activity, but they can still take up quite a lot of time. Also, I am paying for domain names and hosting, and if they are not of benefit to members, then I should probably close them. Later today I will list them, and I would be grateful for any suggestions as to how they can be improved, or if they are no longer required.

The Fit to Talk English project is one example. It does seem to be getting a few views, so maybe I should open it up to a wider audience than just Bitcoin Talk. I'll check the server stats to see what the traffic is like.

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September 11, 2018, 08:54:02 AM
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Some newbies are interested in learning and not in making fast money. Some may be interested in learning as well as making some money. But what’s the percentage? 0,1%? For me, it’s not surprising that most of them don’t pay attention to your good projects.

Thanks for your efforts, by the way.
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September 11, 2018, 08:54:13 AM
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Sad to say but some folks are just really here for incentives and maybe that is one of the reason why they are not showing interest on your projects.

I am always quite annoyed aswell when somebody quotes infographics.

Maybe I could help you this might be a little step but i will try to encourage some of my folks in our local section to try one of youf project which is the fit to talk english. And of course will try it myself as well.

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September 11, 2018, 09:22:46 AM
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You've been putting so much efforts since from the start for these projects that will help new members and that's great. Actually I admire you Sir Jets for doing such things as I really wanted to do the same. But if these Members won't see the importance of those projects then it will only be a waste of time. I believed that some of the new members registering here really wants to learn about cryptocurrency world, yeah I still believe in that. But because of these twitbook spammer, they are influencing new members and encouraging them to be one of twitbook spammer. It's also because of greediness, all they think is EARN EARN EARN and EARN. Actually if we will just conduct a survey and ask these spammers "What is the main purpose of this forum", the answer we'll surely get is "to earn". It means they also didn't even know the importance of this forum.

This also happens even in our local board. Seems like more members are more interesting in shit topics than those educative one and helpful one.

Oh by the way Sir Jets, I'm sorry for being inactive in Fittotalk. I'm getting busier and busier each day IRL and can't spend a lot of time even here in Bitcointalk. Whew, hoping to graduate soon Smiley
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September 11, 2018, 09:27:10 AM
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Your topics were very good and I am sorry that they didn`t receive the expected response from the majority of forum members. But your actions motivate me personally to find interesting discussions. A huge amount of spam on the forum is very disappointing and there was a period when I didn`t want to open BitcoinTalk, because I knew that I would see a huge number of garbage posts here. But then I saw that you begin interesting discussions, raise important social issues and take care of the future of this forum. Particularly I was fascinated by "Should Bitcoin mining be legal in Venezuela?" and "How can we stimulate Bitcoin Talk?" topics. Thank you for not letting us forget about the real mission of this forum and supporting a spark of interest.

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September 11, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
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IMO, you're trying a bit too hard, that's what I felt. No offense whatsoever. When you try too hard and don't get the desired results, sadness is obvious.

The Fit to Talk project is a really good initiative and like theymos mentioned in a post about courses and educating, it's contributing and let the one's who want to learn, learn, ignore the other's.

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September 11, 2018, 09:38:59 AM
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There seems to be an increase in infographics and other annoying ( to me ) images, and these large blocks are often quoted, which magnifies the problem. If you can't understand a concept by reading a bit of text, then what chance have you got of understand the concept of crypto, of course this assumes that posters can produce a coherent description. Images are handy for statistical graphs of course, but there is no need to keep re-quoting them throughout a thread. This seems to be indicative of a drift towards a schoolroom posting community. There would also seem to be a belief that creating amateurish infographics is a way to earn merits.

Definitely what happens in my local board too. Fighting them is a bit tiring as I have to wait 7 seconds before I can report another post. Luckily there is an alternative for that, but the amount of unnecessary images, blockquotes, and so on is definitely annoying. Most of them don't care about anything except money, I can feel what you feel (at least that's what I think).

I'm getting desperate to fix my local board problems, there is only ~5 members who're actively fighting the spam, compared to 300 members who keep spamming every day, cheating bounties and etc. Unless they got red trust (read: can't get money using their account) they won't learn and don't care with the rules.

Hopefully, you won't stop doing what you've done, we need more members like you.

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September 11, 2018, 09:52:06 AM
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The Fit to Talk project is a really good initiative and like theymos mentioned in a post about courses and educating, it's contributing and let the one's who want to learn, learn, ignore the other's.
That's true. And Sir Jets even spending money to pay for the domain and host of the website just for those members who really wanted to learn. But the problem is some members still can't find it helpful as they were focusing to earn.
I'm getting desperate to fix my local board problems, there is only ~5 members who're actively fighting the spam, compared to 300 members who keep spamming every day, cheating bounties and etc. Unless they got red trust (read: can't get money using their account) they won't learn and don't care with the rules.
I feel you Man. The same feeling I always felt when visiting my local board. There are also several members in my local board who were fighting against massive amount of spammers. One main problem is we don't have any support from our Mods (but not so sure if Mods already had taken any actions, it's been days since I became inactive and I don't have any idea about what's happening. I'll take a visit soon).
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Hopefully, you won't stop doing what you've done, we need more members like you.
I hope so too. I'll be back for the service in Fittotalk once I've finished my personal goals hehe. (once again, hoping to graduate soon).
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September 11, 2018, 10:28:56 AM
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I'm so grateful that there are still good Samaritans in this world, and you are one of them. Being concerned about this forum also to the members of it is really a wonderful thing to be heard. Your motive is great(which is to help) people to improve their post quality to avoid so much spamming in this forum, which is too hard to be solve, merit systems doesn't even waver them. People would ignore your project if they are not interested on it, simple as that.

The conclusion that came up to my mind is that, no matter how hard we try to help them, if they don't want any help, then we can't do anything about them, they will keep doing what they are doing and ignore the right thing to do. So, there must be a limit for it, my suggestion is that there should be a bot or something that will monitored every post that would be made here in this forum 24/7, if the bot detected that is just a spam post, then it would get denied, so the poster would need to change his posting style until he fits to the requirement post.

I know this is too much to ask, but we need to be more strict about our policy here, we have to force them to make quality post, or else in no time, this forum will be flooded of spam posts, just my opinion.


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September 11, 2018, 10:32:40 AM
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Thanks for all the kind words guys, and there are certainly some interesting posts here. I'm sorry I don't feel I should award any merits, I'm not sure that it is ethical.

I do need to sort out the projects though. I deleted the Jetcash academy as there was no interest in that at all. I've neglected the ask a legendary project - This is the link to ask a legendary There isn't much of an overhead with that, and it is on the Jet Cash domain, so I might leave that alone for a while. The node and mining project never really got started, but I'm still interested in that, so maybe I'll have another go in a month ot two.

I'm interested in crypto use as part of economic survival as the current banking system implodes, so I'll run that project as a private club with just a few members - Economic survival with the Wise Accountant

I haven't updated my merit source blog for quite some time. I'll revisit that and give it some spasmodic updates in the future. The site is called "The Source", but the blog bit is "Walking the plank" - You can view my merit source blog by clicking this link

I'm not sure what to do with the ignore list, and it's associated support ticket system. I may just keep that private.

There are several more projects, and I'll look at those later - the embryonic merit source toolkit might still be useful.

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September 11, 2018, 10:48:10 AM
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IMO, you're trying a bit too hard, that's what I felt. No offense whatsoever. When you try too hard and don't get the desired results, sadness is obvious.

The Fit to Talk project is a really good initiative and like theymos mentioned in a post about courses and educating, it's contributing and let the one's who want to learn, learn, ignore the other's.

Maybe Jet cash expected too much from those work. Tho I can't personal blame him since the effort he give is also a lot.

Ignoring others who don't want to learn is just the opposite of his perspective i guess since he is encouraging someone to improve. That is why it is hurting his feeling.

@jetcash just continue doing efforts that will surely be worth it later on. I can help you aswell in designing some of your sites like blog(for free). Also don't mind giving merits that is for some quality post not for sympathy

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September 11, 2018, 10:57:37 AM
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I can help you aswell in designing some of your sites like blog(for free). Also don't mind giving merits that is for some quality post not for sympathy

Thanks for the offers. I use templates and CMS installed via Softaculous, and I enjoy playing with that. Softaculous is probably the reason I started so many sites if I have to admit the truth.

At the moment I've got an excess of sMerits to award, and I've revisited the tech board. That is quite interesting again, and I should take advantage of it to optimise my node and wallet. I haven't even created a segwit address yet for example.

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September 11, 2018, 11:12:37 AM
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Sorry to see you loosing hope but you're right, the focus has shifted on this forum.

I am fed up with the spam issue in some boards like Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion, Trading etc.
I tried to bring a guide/my research on exchanges in there but it was quickly buried by spam, total waste of time...

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I seem to have started quite a few projects, and most have a pretty low level of activity, but they can still take up quite a lot of time. Also, I am paying for domain names and hosting, and if they are not of benefit to members, then I should probably close them. Later today I will list them, and I would be grateful for any suggestions as to how they can be improved, or if they are no longer required.
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Which hosting providers are you using?

I used to run a lot of websites and got pretty good deals on hosting, maybe I can help direct you to better offers.
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We need a Beginners and Help board for the alt coin section. The current bitcoin one is being swamped by the same old crap being asked about ALT coin related subjects. We also need to get the Newbie/Welcome message initiated which I suggested here. I messaged theymos abut it yesterday but that will likely just get ignored like everything else does. That needs to happen asap as info about all the things they need to know can be included there so they don't need to litter the place up with the same old questions.

Some newbies are interested in learning and not in making fast money. Some may be interested in learning as well as making some money. But what’s the percentage? 0,1%? For me, it’s not surprising that most of them don’t pay attention to your good projects.

Thanks for your efforts, by the way.


The problem is probably 95%+ of people signing up here are doing so just for bounties and the majority of them are clueless. They've just been thrown in at the deep-end by someone telling them they can get paid to post here.

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We need a Beginners and Help board for the alt coin section.

I've suggested that several times as well.

In fact the whole of the underworld here needs to be given its own section.

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I suspect the issue is that the 1% of new members who would probably be interested in your projects don't actually need the help to start making good posts, and the ones who are not interested in your projects don't care about making good posts.



Altcoin posts and posts asking questions that are already answered in a sticky make up >75% of the posts in Beginners & Help. Removing these would be a great start to cleaning it up.


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The problem is probably 95%+ of people signing up here are doing so just for bounties and the majority of them are clueless. They've just been thrown in at the deep-end by someone telling them they can get paid to post here.


As someone posted here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025283.0 we have 2.3 millions accounts right now with a +25% on forum accounts on last quater while the Bitcoin is at low-near lowest value for 2018 (with a consequent decline in advertising around the world).
This is very strange and in my opinion I think 95% of those accounts are bots or alts, joined only for abusing bouties and signatures.
I can not understand in any way the reason for this + 25% when the market is experiencing a moment of crisis, it makes no sense.

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IMO, you're trying a bit too hard, that's what I felt. No offense whatsoever. When you try too hard and don't get the desired results, sadness is obvious.
A good piece of advice.

@Jet Cash: You might find some encouragement from this forum.

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202nd (could not find 201st) member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202 reg date: May 18, 2010, 01:00:50 PM
301st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=301 reg date: July 08, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
401st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=401 reg date: July 13, 2010, 06:56:12 PM
501st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=501 reg date: July 18, 2010, 06:32:38 AM
601st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=601 reg date: July 26, 2010, 04:20:08 PM
701st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=701 reg date: August 07, 2010, 11:52:23 AM
803rd (could not find 801st and 802nd) member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=803 reg date: August 16, 2010, 08:11:37 AM
901st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=901 reg date: August 21, 2010, 06:39:14 AM
1001st member: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1001 reg date: August 25, 2010, 04:55:45 PM

Take notes:
- to reach first 101 members, it took 4 months, 20 days (excluding the end date)
- to reach first 1001 members, it took 9 months, 8 days
- most of these members did not even made it to a Jr.

I guess f2t is doing better than this is this short period of time. Remember you need long term members not spam bots.

I hope you will find something encouraging from this date I pulled manually.

By the way, keep doing the good works without worrying about the expected outcome. If your work is good enough for people, if your work provides value to the community then today or tomorrow or years later you will see good things will start getting back.

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September 11, 2018, 12:12:31 PM
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I see, just in case you will be needing some help the offer is still there.

Tech board is really a good place since most of the post are very technical. That place has a small hole for spammers. Anyways you have the full control to whom you will give your merit

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September 11, 2018, 12:13:05 PM
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As someone posted here, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5025283.0 we have 2.3 millions accounts right now with a +25% on forum accounts on last quater while the Bitcoin is at low-near lowest value for 2018 (with a consequent decline in advertising around the world).
This is very strange and in my opinion I think 95% of those accounts are bots or alts, joined only for abusing bouties and signatures.
I can not understand in any way the reason for this + 25% when the market is experiencing a moment of crisis, it makes no sense.

It isn't too difficult to understand. If you look at Dr Copper and the Baltic Dry index, you will see that world trade is declining, as is industrial investment. Jeff Bazos picks up $268,000,000 per day from his activities, which caused the loss of businesses like Toys'r' Us. This sucks employment and wages away from the working population. There are numerous issues like this. Share buybacks whilst the directors of major corporations are unloading their shares is another example.

This means that a lot of people are desperate for income, and Bitcoin Talk has become known as the Golden Fountain.

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