Ban Criptomen

[Criptomen@]

Hi,

My account was banned, and i don't know why.

Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874624

I see this message on the main page
"Sorry Criptomen, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: ..."

Thank you.

[Alone055]

The only account I can find from search with the username you have in the title is CriptoMan which was last active on 27, May, 2018 and hasn't posted since November, 2017.
Found it!
Your account was autobanned, though I can't figure out as for what.

Autoban user: N/A in topic #0 by member #874624

Account Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874624

You should probably post the profile link of your account along with the message that you get when you open the account so that we can check why it was banned.

[mdayonliner]

First prove that you are the real owner of the account. Signing a message with the bitcoin address (if staked here) will help

2nd: There must be a reason for banner because mods hardly do mistakes when it comes to banning account. You do not know why - is not gonna work here AFAIK

Update

You may appeal here: ..."

The follow the procedure.

It's a shame that after being a Hero member (main account if that is of-course), you do not know the procedures?

[TBboys]

для бayнти здecь нyжнa вepификaция? или eщe нe дyмaли нaд этим?

Here are some KYC details

Participants that did not purchase tokens and did not make deposits will not see any KYC form
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of less than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name and Date Of Birth. We will check these participants for AML compliance using 3rd party vendor.
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of higher than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name, Date of Birth and requirement to upload personal ID document
After the KYC documents are submitted, we will run through verification procedure and will communicate the results as soon as these are available. If you do not see any notification, it means your application is still in process and there is nothing to worry about.
Participants that did not pass KYC verification will get their contribution back after the completion of KYC procedure
This process will take at least 5 days and at most 4 weeks
The tokens will be locked till completion of KYC procedure for all participants.

BitClave's KYC procedure
Mark Shwartzman avatar
Written by Mark Shwartzman
Updated over a week ago
While regulations around Token Sales are different in every country, following the recommendation of our legal team, BitClave decided to perform KYC (Know Your Customer) procedure for Token Sale contributors.

This is done to reduce any chance of legal complications in future and to ensure smooth and successful development of the project. We strongly believe the above goals are fully inline with the expectations of our community and in the best interest of our community

BitClave uses third party services for ID screening. BitClave performed a detailed due diligence in selecting the vendors to guarantee smooth and safe process. Your information will be kept safe and secure and will be used only for KYC procedure

Here are some KYC details

Participants that did not purchase tokens and did not make deposits will not see any KYC form
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of less than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name and Date Of Birth. We will check these participants for AML compliance using 3rd party vendor.
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of higher than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name, Date of Birth and requirement to upload personal ID document
After the KYC documents are submitted, we will run through verification procedure and will communicate the results as soon as these are available. If you do not see any notification, it means your application is still in process and there is nothing to worry about.
Participants that did not pass KYC verification will get their contribution back after the completion of KYC procedure
This process will take at least 5 days and at most 4 weeks
The tokens will be locked till completion of the KYC procedure for all participants.
Once the KYC procedure completed for all participants, we will notify you by email about the next steps.

Plagiarism：https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030152.msg25437730#msg25437730
source: https://intercom.help/bitclave/english-articles/bitclaves-kyc-procedure

There is nothing wrong with this ban. I saw a lot of suspected plagiarism in your local thread. This is just one of them.

[TryNinja]

~snip~

Plagiarism：  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030152.msg25437730#msg25437730
source: https://intercom.help/bitclave/english-articles/bitclaves-kyc-procedure

There is nothing wrong with this ban. I saw a lot of suspected plagiarism in your local thread. This is just one of them.

I agree that he should have put the source of the information. But is this really a purposeful plagiarism? Someone asked for the ICO KYC procedure, he found it and posted it.

IMO, it doesn't look like he tried to get credit for the post.

[TBboys]

~snip~

Plagiarism：  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030152.msg25437730#msg25437730
source: https://intercom.help/bitclave/english-articles/bitclaves-kyc-procedure

There is nothing wrong with this ban. I saw a lot of suspected plagiarism in your local thread. This is just one of them.

I agree that he should have put the source of the information. But is this really a purposeful plagiarism? Someone asked for the ICO KYC procedure and he posted it.

IMO, it doesn't look like he tried to get credit for the post.

As an old member of the forum, how to correctly quote other people's articles is a basic common sense. I have seen other members have made the same mistakes before, quoted an article to reply to a topic, but did not indicate source, they were all banned, ther no exceptions here. For fairness.

[Johnnygroomq]

Hi,

My account was banned, and i don't know why.

Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=874624

I see this message on the main page
"Sorry Criptomen, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: ..."

Thank you.

Just not who will not block.Rules did not violate?Here people are smart, they will not cheat!

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>
IMO, it doesn't look like he tried to get credit for the post.

We could apply the basic principle of "plagiarism is plagiarism" and that’s it, no further debate needed. That is the leading view in terms of application, and that there are no sweeteners to it.

What got me thinking about this case is that it was posted in November 2017, before the Merit System took flight. The plagiarized text had, at least from this point of view, no potential benefit for the user (I figure it was reported recently, and hasn’t been in a queue for 10 months).  I don’t know how plagiarism was treated back in the early days, but what would happen if someone started to dig into people’s posting history and located potential plagiarized posts dating back from years ago (2012,2013,2014,2015 for example). Would the user be banned too?
As I said, I don’t know what the rules looked like back then, and even if plagiarism was a thing, but some old timers may have misquoted something years ago and should that come back spinning now when perhaps the context is different? Is there a time limit ?

Note: In Spain we have had a Minister from the Government have to stand-down this week for having plagiarized part of her Master, the opposition leader is also being questioned for his Master, and even the President is having his thesis scrutinized for plagiarism as we read. There's just no hope ...

[leshak]

для бayнти здecь нyжнa вepификaция? или eщe нe дyмaли нaд этим?

Here are some KYC details

Participants that did not purchase tokens and did not make deposits will not see any KYC form
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of less than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name and Date Of Birth. We will check these participants for AML compliance using 3rd party vendor.
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of higher than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name, Date of Birth and requirement to upload personal ID document
After the KYC documents are submitted, we will run through verification procedure and will communicate the results as soon as these are available. If you do not see any notification, it means your application is still in process and there is nothing to worry about.
Participants that did not pass KYC verification will get their contribution back after the completion of KYC procedure
This process will take at least 5 days and at most 4 weeks
The tokens will be locked till completion of KYC procedure for all participants.

BitClave's KYC procedure
Mark Shwartzman avatar
Written by Mark Shwartzman
Updated over a week ago
While regulations around Token Sales are different in every country, following the recommendation of our legal team, BitClave decided to perform KYC (Know Your Customer) procedure for Token Sale contributors.

This is done to reduce any chance of legal complications in future and to ensure smooth and successful development of the project. We strongly believe the above goals are fully inline with the expectations of our community and in the best interest of our community

BitClave uses third party services for ID screening. BitClave performed a detailed due diligence in selecting the vendors to guarantee smooth and safe process. Your information will be kept safe and secure and will be used only for KYC procedure

Here are some KYC details

Participants that did not purchase tokens and did not make deposits will not see any KYC form
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of less than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name and Date Of Birth. We will check these participants for AML compliance using 3rd party vendor.
Participants that made a purchase or deposit on amount of higher than $2,000 will see a form with First Name, Last Name, Date of Birth and requirement to upload personal ID document
After the KYC documents are submitted, we will run through verification procedure and will communicate the results as soon as these are available. If you do not see any notification, it means your application is still in process and there is nothing to worry about.
Participants that did not pass KYC verification will get their contribution back after the completion of KYC procedure
This process will take at least 5 days and at most 4 weeks
The tokens will be locked till completion of the KYC procedure for all participants.
Once the KYC procedure completed for all participants, we will notify you by email about the next steps.

Plagiarism：https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030152.msg25437730#msg25437730
source: https://intercom.help/bitclave/english-articles/bitclaves-kyc-procedure

There is nothing wrong with this ban. I saw a lot of suspected plagiarism in your local thread. This is just one of them.

Reply to the person on the question of registering KYC, also translate for him. Sorry it's not plagiarism. 2017 year.
What is the reason? I think it's worth asking the moderators. Or on the forum you can not help and answer questions, to say the least to plagiarism? Why such a forum where everyone is silent in fear?

[MagicSmoker]

While I agree this is somewhat of a gray area, note that plagiarism occurs whenever you copy text from elsewhere without acknowledging the source. Also note that it would have taken less work to quote the post he got the text from - thereby automatically attributing the source - than it was to copy all of the text and present it as his own.

I, personally, wouldn't have reported this for plagiarism, but I also wouldn't argue with someone who did.

[k0er]

Plagiarism：https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2030152.msg25437730#msg25437730
source: https://intercom.help/bitclave/english-articles/bitclaves-kyc-procedure

There is nothing wrong with this ban. I saw a lot of suspected plagiarism in your local thread. This is just one of them.

This is just a copy-paste of the rules KYC from BitClave Help Center to the russian bitClave ICO`s thread. How can a copy-paste of the rules of participation become plagiarism?
There's a bad google translation.That's all I see

[xandry]

He copied someone else's posts:

Copy:

Гopмoн мoлoдocти, кoтopый oтвeчaeт зa oмoлoжeниe клeтoк, выpaбaтывaeтcя , тoлькo c 22 дo 2-3 нoчи, вo cнe... в ocтaльнoe вpeмя нe выpaбaтывaeтcя, вoт и дyмaйтe  

Original:

гopмoн мoлoдocти, кoтopый oтвeчaeт зa oмoлoжeниe клeтoк, выpaбaтывaeтcя , тoлькo c 22 дo 2-3 нoчи, вo cнe...в ocтaльнoe вpeмя нe выpaбaтывaeтcя, вoт и дyмaйтe

[Criptomen@]

He copied someone else's posts:

Copy:

Гopмoн мoлoдocти, кoтopый oтвeчaeт зa oмoлoжeниe клeтoк, выpaбaтывaeтcя , тoлькo c 22 дo 2-3 нoчи, вo cнe... в ocтaльнoe вpeмя нe выpaбaтывaeтcя, вoт и дyмaйтe  

Original:

гopмoн мoлoдocти, кoтopый oтвeчaeт зa oмoлoжeниe клeтoк, выpaбaтывaeтcя , тoлькo c 22 дo 2-3 нoчи, вo cнe...в ocтaльнoe вpeмя нe выpaбaтывaeтcя, вoт и дyмaйтe

Hi,

I want to clarify my situation.

The fact is that this post was made by other person, previous account holder, I understand that the sale/purchase of accounts is not welcome, but it is not forbidden, I ask to understand my situation and dispense with a warning. All posts after June 22 made by me, the person who violated the rules doesn't have access to this account.

I attach screenshots where there was a request to confirm the sale of the account on June 22, the same day I changed the account password. IP from which I started to log into the account i different too. Previous account holder was from Russia, i am from Spain (I'm sure it can all be checked and if needed i can proof it).

https://d.radikal.ru/d16/1809/60/5242117efa00.jpg
https://d.radikal.ru/d24/1809/f4/3f11d51f59a2.jpg
https://a.radikal.ru/a03/1809/83/66cf6ff40ec2.jpg


Since June 22 all posts have been written by me personally without  copy/paste, I always try to write on the topic of the issue that is being discussed.

I give you my word that I will never break the rules of the forum and ask you to change the ban account to a warning.

Thank you.

P.S. If you need any data to confirm certain operations, I am ready to give everything to the moderator in PM

[DdmrDdmr]

<…>

If you bought an account, then consider yourself scammed in a sense: you bought broken goods so to say. Yes, you got access to the account, and could use it for a while, but the account has history and it has spun back on you. That is a risk of trying to accelerate your rank here, through accounts you acquire.

Rules are applied here rather adamantly, with black or white decisions that cannot take into consideration all the grey areas in the process of decision-making. I have seen cero cases where a decision was reconsidered based on a promise not to do so and so. I guess your account was infected and withered.

[Criptomen@]

<…>

If you bought an account, then consider yourself scammed in a sense: you bought broken goods so to say. Yes, you got access to the account, and could use it for a while, but the account has history and it has spun back on you. That is a risk of trying to accelerate your rank here, through accounts you acquire.

Rules are applied here rather adamantly, with black or white decisions that cannot take into consideration all the grey areas in the process of decision-making. I have seen cero cases where a decision was reconsidered based on a promise not to do so and so. I guess your account was infected and withered.

I bought an account from the owner. Not hacked one

Moderators bans a man who violated the rules and its forbidden to create a new account on the forum for him. I got a ban for something I didn't do and now I cant write on the forum

[ihnattm1]

He copied someone else's posts:

Ban, this is personal punishment. To buy an account and sell, is not prohibited by the rules. Even if a new script, could find plagiarism in old messages, you can not punish the not guilty. These are the rules.
Although the rules of this forum, they always work against users. I know by my example.

[xtraelv]

I bought an account from the owner. Not hacked one

Moderators bans a man who violated the rules and its forbidden to create a new account on the forum for him. I got a ban for something I didn't do and now I cant write on the forum

That is a novel excuse but it is not going to work.

Account sales are discouraged for a reason.

People who make multiple alt accounts and sell those accounts often plagiarize posts to increase their post count.

Buying accounts from account farmers contributes to the problem.

[leshak]

What we have? The guy bought an account. Has not violated any rules of the forum. The account received the ban through the fault of the former owner who received $ 3000 for it. Why should the rules allow the trading of accounts, if not respected property rights? Who benefits from trading accounts on the forum?
Why do we need rules that do not work? It already looks like a fraud.
Who is punished with a ban?

[LoyceV]

Moderators bans a man who violated the rules and its forbidden to create a new account on the forum for him. I got a ban for something I didn't do and now I cant write on the forum

That's one of the risks of buying an account. You won't be unbanned.

[athanz88]

I bought an account from the owner. Not hacked one

Moderators bans a man who violated the rules and its forbidden to create a new account on the forum for him. I got a ban for something I didn't do and now I cant write on the forum

Probably the original owner already know that he is being reported for plagiarism and the account is on the risk of getting banned, and then he sold his account to you which is the best thing happened in the original owner's side, but unfortunately it is the worst thing happened to your side. You got scammed.

You will not get your account unbanned, even if you have all the valid data in your hand.