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September 17, 2018, 06:56:58 AM
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Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

It's not super difficult to get one merit. Make decent posts that add something to the conversation rather than just rephrasing something someone else has already said. Also, if you're concerned about any bounties you were in that had a rank requirement, talk to your bounty manager about seeing if they will still give you credit for your work.

Finally, don't beg for or buy merits. I can understand that this is frustrating for a lot of you guys, but there's no reason to risk your account for just one merit.

And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to.


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September 17, 2018, 07:12:34 AM
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As a further aid to non-English speaking members, Jet Cash has created an image hosting site for Fit to Talk members. You can post pictures of your local activities, historic monuments, or your pet dog. Then discuss the picture as best you can in English, and we will help you to improve the content and flow. He has done this so that members can avoid accusations of posting off topic content in Bitcoin Talk, and to help members to produce English prose with good content and fluidity. This is a skill that will help you to attract the attention of the merit awarders, and let you rank up by becoming a good quality contributor here.

Don't let "newbie" mean "he doesn't speak English".
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September 17, 2018, 07:23:42 AM
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This update is good for the forum because it's minimize the shit posts of some Jr.member on ICO to bump their thread and make some attention to gain investors.
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September 17, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
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Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

It's not super difficult to get one merit. Make decent posts that add something to the conversation rather than just rephrasing something someone else has already said. Also, if you're concerned about any bounties you were in that had a rank requirement, talk to your bounty manager about seeing if they will still give you credit for your work.

Finally, don't beg for or buy merits. I can understand that this is frustrating for a lot of you guys, but there's no reason to risk your account for just one merit.

And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to.



As a relatively new member to this forum, I would like to offer opinion from other side of the “barricades”. I mean don’t get me wrong, i will be the first one to want to stop sh*t posting, but want to express my opinion about this 1 merit rule.

I believe it is relatively hard to get merit,in contrast what everyone is saying. For getting merit your post have to meet 2 criteria:

-be of good quality/helpful/motivating etc
-you need to be lucky enough for the person reading it to like it so much that they will actually give you merit.

I personally found the 2nd part to be extremely hard to meet, doesn’t matter how good your post is. Thank god for that one amazing person that gave me my only merit, if it wasn’t for him I would be “demoted” now. Funny thing is, he had about 20 merits himself and he gave me one. There are people here that have hundreds of merits and hardly ever share.

Just something to think about 🤔

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September 17, 2018, 10:37:18 AM
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Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.

It's not super difficult to get one merit. Make decent posts that add something to the conversation rather than just rephrasing something someone else has already said. Also, if you're concerned about any bounties you were in that had a rank requirement, talk to your bounty manager about seeing if they will still give you credit for your work.

Finally, don't beg for or buy merits. I can understand that this is frustrating for a lot of you guys, but there's no reason to risk your account for just one merit.

And for those of us that have merits to send, please keep this in mind:

I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

You may not agree with everything someone says, but try to look into the effort behind the posts. It will encourage those who are at least trying to make decent posts to continue posting in the future. Spend some time in the patrol section and look for posts to give merit to.



As a relatively new member to this forum, I would like to offer opinion from other side of the “barricades”. I mean don’t get me wrong, i will be the first one to want to stop sh*t posting, but want to express my opinion about this 1 merit rule.

I believe it is relatively hard to get merit,in contrast what everyone is saying. For getting merit your post have to meet 2 criteria:

-be of good quality/helpful/motivating etc
-you need to be lucky enough for the person reading it to like it so much that they will actually give you merit.

I personally found the 2nd part to be extremely hard to meet, doesn’t matter how good your post is. Thank god for that one amazing person that gave me my only merit, if it wasn’t for him I would be “demoted” now. Funny thing is, he had about 20 merits himself and he gave me one. There are people here that have hundreds of merits and hardly ever share.

Just something to think about 🤔
You have pointed out something which is really important. Its not always your efforts it depends upon the mindset of people reading it and what their opinion is. Like you I was also lucky enough to have that 1 merit.
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September 17, 2018, 11:47:10 AM
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Before all of y'all start complaining and making a billion new topics about being demoted, read this announcement from theymos. Essentially:

Due to excessive garbage-posting, you now need 1 merit to be a Jr Member. All existing Jr Members who didn't meet the requirement were demoted. Also, newbies can no longer set any signature or personal text.


Though I am inclined to agree on the new rule about being a jr member that needs 1 merit, (and also agree to your post), let us not forget that some users are really struggling in terms of this new rule. 

I am not saying that many new members are highly affected of this (yes it is not that difficult to get 1 merit) but there is this minority of people who lack the fluency in communicating in english hence they just stay in their local board (which really scarce in merit sources and merit circulation). 

And how about those who are incompetent in the english language (they can read and understand but cannot construct proper english when they want to express their opinion) and also do not have a local board?

The point is, the struggle is real... the frustration of the newbies are real... and the problem growing population of shitposters in this forum is real.  Let us not leave some minority behind.

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September 17, 2018, 03:36:43 PM
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Well, obtaining merit is in fact hard, no matter how insightful you are with your contributions, people don't give out merit just because usually.

I honestly think this is not fair, and it can definitely lay the ground for a merit "sharing" black market. Finally, this will also force many accounts to pay for 'copper' accounts, how convenient huh?

Ok, that was a nice analysis, merit for me anyone?  Grin
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September 17, 2018, 03:44:09 PM
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I don't think so i think if we want to join signature campaigns we must do much effort like get some merit and high ranked. And when you get merit for the first time you will get more excited and then think how to get the second merit and so on (make good post or good thread that is useful for all members here). And because this forum i think is good but then came many newcomer that only this how to get money from this forum. And if they leave this forum this will great to us.
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September 17, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
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Actually this is a difficult issue for those who sign up for the bonus. I think bitcointalk should have a policy to give real hunters so they can jr.rank. Thank you
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September 17, 2018, 04:37:50 PM
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well guys I read somewhere there is 36 new soruces for merit added today

we have to earn it  Cheesy

This is correct I am a new source.

I gave you 2 points.

I have a lot of points to give and will be looking at newbies in this thread only.

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September 17, 2018, 05:03:15 PM
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You paid for copper. You don’t need a merit.  Btw what is going price for copper memberships.
The price is fixed at 0.00208333BTC for everyone.

Btw, careful with the multi posts.

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September 17, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
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well guys I read somewhere there is 36 new soruces for merit added today

we have to earn it  Cheesy

This is correct I am a new source.

I gave you 2 points.

I have a lot of points to give and will be looking at newbies in this thread only.

I think you made a mistake there philipma. This is the exact kind of account for whom the step was meant to. This guy has over a 1000 posts that are only "Reports" while the other are one-liners.
He has had zero merits until you hastily awarded him 2 merits for this one-liner post. To all the new merit sources, This step will only be truly successful if you take the pain to at least read/browse/glance at the post history of the guys whom you decide to merit.

Spending it the way Philipma just did would only lessen the effectiveness of this courageous and desperately needed step from Theymos. Lets make sure it is put to the best use.

Go through the post histories to see whether the people you are meriting have actually made the effort. Not like this toheed2x account which is probably just someone's farming alt. Defeats the whole purpose, causes a lot of heartburn for people who have actually made the effort and have felt ignored because of the spam.
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September 17, 2018, 05:22:18 PM
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This new merit system hits a lot of us in the ballsack and expressing your dismay on the new merit system is not on the meta section. Just posted my opinion and immediately someone considered it a shitpost, and even humiliated me and I didn't even said it was a wrong step for the admins.  Grin

Anyways just good to see fellow demoted users here! Cheers Smiley

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September 17, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
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Well, obtaining merit is in fact hard, no matter how insightful you are with your contributions, people don't give out merit just because usually.

I honestly think this is not fair, and it can definitely lay the ground for a merit "sharing" black market. Finally, this will also force many accounts to pay for 'copper' accounts, how convenient huh?

Ok, that was a nice analysis, merit for me anyone?  Grin


You paid for copper. You don’t need a merit.  Btw what is going price for copper memberships.

If you had shown up earlier, I might not have paid for copper, but I have a very important client now who couldn't wait for me to fix the problem.

Luckily, it is cheap enough, only about $13
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September 17, 2018, 05:37:34 PM
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Its really disgusting to decrease rank without any notice
wasted my many months hard work.
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September 17, 2018, 05:43:47 PM
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well guys I read somewhere there is 36 new soruces for merit added today

we have to earn it  Cheesy

This is correct I am a new source.

I gave you 2 points.

I have a lot of points to give and will be looking at newbies in this thread only.

I think you made a mistake there philipma. This is the exact kind of account for whom the step was meant to. This guy has over a 1000 posts that are only "Reports" while the other are one-liners.
He has had zero merits until you hastily awarded him 2 merits for this one-liner post. To all the new merit sources, This step will only be truly successful if you take the pain to at least read/browse/glance at the post history of the guys whom you decide to merit.

Spending it the way Philipma just did would only lessen the effectiveness of this courageous and desperately needed step from Theymos. Lets make sure it is put to the best use.

Go through the post histories to see whether the people you are meriting have actually made the effort. Not like this toheed2x account which is probably just someone's farming alt. Defeats the whole purpose, causes a lot of heartburn for people who have actually made the effort and have felt ignored because of the spam.
That post has value to every newbie that lost  jr status so
that post stands on its own for the merits it got. There are now 36 new merit sources such as myself.  I used to be slow to give merit as I would lose it.  I now don't drop when I give merit.  So I will give merit more freely.

Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.



Do you think I want to read hundreds of posts to judge a guy no I don't
 do You think I get paid to do that no I don't.

He wrote a truthful informative post worth  merits.

He wrote it On an important thread explaining these demotions. So once again he got 2 points.

Btw do you know on another thread  about this I read 98 posts  and gave out merits.
Did I get paid to do that no.
I spent 25 minutes reading to give out that 2 points.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030976.msg45833279#msg45833279

Now I will tell you what this means to me I will end up reading an extra 300 to 500 posts a week  giving out points.

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September 17, 2018, 06:08:06 PM
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Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. Wink So shared my opinion with you.
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Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. Wink So shared my opinion with you.

Of course as do I .

but when I give out points  they will not be to people asking for them.  which neither person I gave points to today were asking.

I will sift through about 5 to 10 people a day  that were jrs and were demoted.

I will ask if anyone would make that list  and post it in this thread  I won't give you any merits for doing it.

But the list would help me and others like me look at the demoted people's posts.

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September 17, 2018, 06:35:24 PM
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As for me, The fact that we are downgraded will not reduce the amount of spam on the forum. If earlier, I received a junior quietly participated in the bounty, reading and absorbing information about the crypto currency. now I'm being forced to write and talk about things that I have not really figured out yet.
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September 17, 2018, 10:18:15 PM
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Even if he is not  a good guy that was a good post.  It is important for people to know that there are 35-36 new people that can give merit As a source.  He mentioned it and gets my points.

Totally your judgement man. Not questioning that. I am just pointing out that it is unfair to hundreds of those posters who get lost in the din because someone like toheed2x spams 1000 reports in the time a serious poster would actually manage to post much less. If the post histories are taken as a reference, then at least the deserving ones get a better chance. Those who just "woke up because of rules change" should have to wait a little longer.

I would just prefer that the "good guys" get more of a chance than the "not a good guys".. Wink So shared my opinion with you.

until the backlog of "jr demoted to newb but did have the occasional good post in their history that was missed so not merited" people gets slogged through, this may look like some of us are too quick to merit someone who got demoted.

but the whole point is (per theymos) all they need is ONE good(ish) post thats meritable and get their rank back. or be able to get to jr rank to begin with.

although with some accounts ya gotta look pretty far back..
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