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September 17, 2018, 02:32:57 PM
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As regards the growth of the forum,i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum,it makes the forum lack the transparency it ought to have.I think merits should be handed out to users by separate individuals or bodies whose duty it will be only to hand out merits and nothing more..
Leaving it to individual discretion makes it look more like a situation when one pops into facebook and likes a random post,the like actually means nothing to the initial poster,but in here merit is so so important as its required to get up the ranks. You hear statements like "make a quality post and you get a merit",who decides if the post is a quality one,an individual can go through a quality post and yet not hand in merits,probably he's not in a good mood,then how is that a criteria or a sine qua non to get merits..
I think other ways to get merits ought to be introduced to make the forum fair to all an sundry.
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September 17, 2018, 02:38:43 PM
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Before making arbitrary statements perhaps you should try to find out how the merit system works.

Everyone that has ever gotten merit has sMerits to give. 2Merit gives 1sMerit that can be given to someone else that deserves it.

In addition there are merit sources.

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September 17, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
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Don't worry, it's not an individual decision. About 17,000 users have collectively decided not to give you any Merit.

When I try to read your post, all I see is this:

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i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum

Anyone who has more than 2 merits has at least 1 merit to hand out. Maybe you should consider your own ineptitude before blaming everyone else.

Edit: And your latest post here is plagiarized from here. Archived and reported. Enjoy your ban.

Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.
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September 17, 2018, 02:47:09 PM
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Even if I was affected by it I feel that they the the right thing and the have an excellent way of distributing merit
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September 17, 2018, 03:01:58 PM
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i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum

Anyone who has more than 2 merits has at least 1 merit to hand out. Maybe you should consider your own ineptitude before blaming everyone else.

Edit: And your latest post here is plagiarized from here. Archived and reported. Enjoy your ban.

Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.

Yep - I reported another plagiarized post as well.

If you copy paste and come to moan in Meta you will get caught !


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September 17, 2018, 03:03:22 PM
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I feel you a wrong be this post it will affect the community balance. The merit distribution now will clean up the spamming in this group so it is fair
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September 17, 2018, 03:20:39 PM
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Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.
Glad you understand what's happening, as it seems many don't. 
I feel you a wrong be this post it will affect the community balance. The merit distribution now will clean up the spamming in this group so it is fair
There seem to be an abundance of posts just like this in meta today, and I think the vast majority who write them are being disingenuous.  The members without merits who've written things like the above are obviously writing what they think will earn them merits.  I am hoping people see through the words, which are usually not chosen or assembled correctly anyway.

What I'm wondering is if any of these new merit sources will help the local sections at all.  That would be a huge benefit, since non english speakers wouldn't have to try to write trash in english.

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September 17, 2018, 03:24:10 PM
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September 17, 2018, 03:30:12 PM
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i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum

Anyone who has more than 2 merits has at least 1 merit to hand out. Maybe you should consider your own ineptitude before blaming everyone else.

Edit: And your latest post here is plagiarized from here. Archived and reported. Enjoy your ban.

Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.

I don't see how that user can be banned because his post has some similarities with an article on some other websites.
It could possibly have been used for research purposes, and the user took some information from there and other sites.
This just looks like a retaliation, cause this post struck a nerve, this further proves the bias in this forum and how the the lower ranking members are trod upon by higher ranking members.
For God's sake thus is not a content competition and it is not in the rules that you can't pick ideas from sources.
Are we suppose to learn about cryptocurrency without reading about it?
I strongly suggest theymos looks into this.
Maybe it's not the spam posters killing the the group but the conceited high ranking members.
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September 17, 2018, 03:36:22 PM
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I download recent every few seconds, so not many posts can escrape my scraper. This is the post (in raw HTML):
Never mind, o_e_l_e_o archived it already.

OP is banned already.

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The bias in this group is so glaring, but of course I shouldn't complain, I am a newbie.
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September 17, 2018, 04:53:42 PM
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I don't see how that user can be banned because his post has some similarities with an article on some other websites.
It could possibly have been used for research purposes, and the user took some information from there and other sites.
This just looks like a retaliation, cause this post struck a nerve, this further proves the bias in this forum and how the the lower ranking members are trod upon by higher ranking members.
For God's sake thus is not a content competition and it is not in the rules that you can't pick ideas from sources.
Are we suppose to learn about cryptocurrency without reading about it?
I strongly suggest theymos looks into this.
Maybe it's not the spam posters killing the the group but the conceited high ranking members.


It is quite simple - use your own words or quote the source that you got the material from.

It is not hard to quote the source if it isn't your own words that you are posting.

If you quote the source then it could be considered "fair use". If you don't quote the source then it could be plagiarism and copyright infringement.

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September 17, 2018, 04:59:51 PM
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I was considering the merit thing just last night and was bothered that after so many posts and activity, i am yet to get a merit just to wake up this morning to the sad news that I have been downgraded to a newbie for lacking merits. I feel broken to be frank!

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September 17, 2018, 05:07:09 PM
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I don't see how that user can be banned because his post has some similarities with an article on some other websites.
It could possibly have been used for research purposes, and the user took some information from there and other sites.
This just looks like a retaliation, cause this post struck a nerve, this further proves the bias in this forum and how the the lower ranking members are trod upon by higher ranking members.
For God's sake thus is not a content competition and it is not in the rules that you can't pick ideas from sources.
Are we suppose to learn about cryptocurrency without reading about it?
I strongly suggest theymos looks into this.
Maybe it's not the spam posters killing the the group but the conceited high ranking members.


It is quite simple - use your own words or quote the source that you got the material from.

It is not hard to quote the source if it isn't your own words that you are posting.

If you quote the source then it could be considered "fair use". If you don't quote the source then it could be plagiarism and copyright infringement.

Did you read the post?
I did and I also checked the link, there were a lot of difference between the post and the link.
I feel it was a prejudiced decision as I see words from other end source added to a post.
This is not a content competition, was there a rule on the % of plagiarism?
While BT is bickering about spams and newbies, other  forums are going to the moon.
No one can complain without some random user going through his pride searching for some errors or even going as petty as checking for spelling errors and when the find some shallow fault, the moderators are more than happy to do their bidding.. That is what is killing the forum not spams and whatnot... Clear bais.
And when you call them out they hide as they have done on this thread.
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September 17, 2018, 05:11:30 PM
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September 17, 2018, 05:24:55 PM
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While BT is bickering about spams and newbies, other  forums are going to the moon.

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This forum was never about quantity and should never be like that

You are totally off the mark, get back on line and bring an argument.
The issue here is, is that post a direct copy of the link?
And does that deserve an instant ban?
And also were the moderators biased because the user made an unsavoury post?
And when would we have anyone protecting the rights of the lower ranking members?
And why do people leave the actual matter and make random comments?
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September 17, 2018, 05:26:58 PM
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And when would we have anyone protecting the rights of the lower ranking members?
This is the internet and furthermore this is a private forum.  What rights do you think you're entitled to, exactly?

But that wasn't the only question there, but the only one you addressed. Nice, just nice.
Just FYI, I have no duty to address anything you bring up, nor am I a mod here.

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September 17, 2018, 05:31:10 PM
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And let me reiterate here that is am not an alt account of the OP. Cause some people are quick to jump to instant conclusions and ban a user (abuse of power?).
And I can prove it if necessary.
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September 17, 2018, 05:38:13 PM
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And when would we have anyone protecting the rights of the lower ranking members?
This is the internet and furthermore this is a private forum.  What rights do you think you're entitled to, exactly?

Okay, interest of lower ranking members then. Is that better?
But that wasn't the only question there, but the only one you addressed. Nice, just nice.
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Did you read the post?
I did and I also checked the link, there were a lot of difference between the post and the link.
I feel it was a prejudiced decision as I see words from other end source added to a post.
This is not a content competition, was there a rule on the % of plagiarism?
While BT is bickering about spams and newbies, other  forums are going to the moon.
No one can complain without some random user going through his pride searching for some errors or even going as petty as checking for spelling errors and when the find some shallow fault, the moderators are more than happy to do their bidding.. That is what is killing the forum not spams and whatnot... Clear bais.
And when you call them out they hide as they have done on this thread.

It is good that you are trying to analyze this. Unbiased analysis is a necessity to unravel truth. If you did check the link, did you notice that the Description of WALLETS in OP's banned post is a word-to-word, direct copy-paste??

You may find the ban too much because this may seem not much of an offense to you. That is your personal judgement which maybe unique to ones socio-cultural norms. When it comes to the way "plagiarism" is defined, such a blatant and obvious copying of the "real content" without even a mention of a source is a pretty big offense.
It is easy for anybody to write a few words and then copy paste parts of a huge article making it look like "original content" when it is not. Classic plagiarism well detected by Loyce and deservedly banned. It is necessary to take care of clever con-artists with a ban hammer as early as possible. You will hence, not find any leniency in these matters.

Ohh and they don't HIDE. They actually don't have the time to waste because it is a lot of work trying to explain the same things over and over again.
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September 17, 2018, 05:48:46 PM
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I don't see how that user can be banned because his post has some similarities with an article on some other websites.
It could possibly have been used for research purposes, and the user took some information from there and other sites.

If someone posts another person's work, they need to cite it.

I see so much bias from newbie accounts like yourself who believe they should be able to steal to gain rank...


And I can prove it if necessary.
 
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i do not really feel handing out merits should be left entirely in the hands of those who have racked up numerous merits,or the big guns in the forum

Anyone who has more than 2 merits has at least 1 merit to hand out. Maybe you should consider your own ineptitude before blaming everyone else.

Edit: And your latest post here is plagiarized from here. Archived and reported. Enjoy your ban.

Another warning to everyone currently begging for merit - maybe you should consider your own stupidity before drawing attention to yourself.

Epic burn, high 5!

Step right on up to the plate and get the merit you deserve!!

I can just imagine this guy slamming his keyboard but maybe he has a ton of alt accounts and is used to losing one here and there..

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I don't see how that user can be banned because his post has some similarities with an article on some other websites.

there were a lot of difference between the post and the link

"Some similarities"? "A lot of difference"? What are you talking about? It was pure copy-and-paste plagiarism:

TYPES OF WALLET
1)Desktop wallet:These are wallets usually created by the token developers,for example to find an official supported wallet for bitcoin,you can download one from https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
2)Mobile wallet:These are app-based wallets that you can download on your phone,although more common for Android based phones. Examples include the blockchain mobile wallet for android
3)Online wallet:All exchanges offer online wallet to allow you send and receive tokens,for example,Coinbase or my Etherwallet.com.it is highly recommended to store tokens offline to reduce risks of hacks,pshishing attempts and also the collapse of exchanges.while most exchanges have security protocols in place,there have been disasters like the infamous MT Goxhack in 2014 where $460 million worth of bitcoin was stolen
4)Paper wallet:paper wallet are simply print out of your wallets public and private keys along with a QR code you can scan.A private key is basically a sequence of letters and numbers (much like the long password)that you and only you should know,in order to unlock your wallet and access your tokens.Coindesk has a guide on how to create a paper wallet
5)Hardware wallet:These is the most secure way to store your tokens. Hardware wallets are completely offline(often referred to as cold storage)Hardware wallets do not support every token out there,so you must have to find out if the tokens you want to store are supported by the hardware wallet,popular options are the ledger nanos and the Trezor hardware wallet.

Desktop wallets
These are wallets usually created by the token developers. For example, to find an official supported wallet for Bitcoin, you can download one from https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet
Mobile wallets
These are app-based wallets that you can download and install on your phone, although more common for Android based phones. Examples include the Blockchain mobile wallet for Android.
Online Wallets
All exchanges offer online wallets, to allow you to send and receive tokens. For example, Coinbase or MyEtherWallet.com. It is highly recommended to store tokens offline to reduce risks of hacks, phishing attempts, and also the collapse of exchanges. While most exchanges have security protocols in place, there have been disasters like the infamous Mt Gox hack in 2014 where $460 million worth of Bitcoin was stolen.
Paper Wallets
Paper wallets are basically a print out of your wallet’s public and private keys, along with a QR code you can scan. A private key is basically a sequence of letters and numbers (much like a long password), that you, and ONLY you should know, in order to unlock your wallet and access your tokens. Coindesk has a guide on how to create a paper wallet.
Hardware wallets
These are the most secure way to store your tokens. Hardware wallets are completely offline (often referred to as cold storage). Hardware wallets do not support every token out there, so you will need to find out if the tokens you want to store are supported by the hardware wallet. Popular options are the Ledger Nano S and the Trezor Hardware Wallet.

The issue here is, is that post a direct copy of the link?

Yes.


And does that deserve an instant ban?

Yes. See the rules here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 - "33. Posting plagiarized content is not allowed."


And also were the moderators biased because the user made an unsavoury post?

No. They were upholding the rules.


And when would we have anyone protecting the rights of the lower ranking members?

You have the same rights as everyone else. If I plagiarized, I would also be banned.



Since you clearly haven't, I would suggest familiarizing yourself with the forum rules before posting any further.
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