The new rule (1 Merit for Jr. Member) is already reducing spam

[Thekool1s]

it was expected to happen. But I am now waiting for this to happen.

[Piggy]

if this means 10 merits received despite the rank you can flip the graph and will be good to show the suicide rate.  

[mazdafunsun]

Are you able to calculate how many jr.members were born from yesterday to today and from who were born?
For example, if a person gave the birth to 10 or 20 or 30 Jr.Members can starts to be suspicious!

If you havent yet seen it, I suggest you take a look at this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5034141.0
It shows the top users who have given merit to Newbies.

It is very nice to see that this new system is working even with all the abusers.
This was a rational way to  reduce spam in this forum. Thank you, theymos!

I imagine that we will see similar situation as when the merit system was introduced, abusers sent merit  to their alts back and forth till merit run out and then if mods will have time, they will catch the abusers one by one.

[ngoctunghp]

I was curious:
Theymos announced the "Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements" in post 45810047. This was on Sep 17 06:27 (Dutch time).
Post 45752895 was made 24 hours earlier, and post 45853867 was made 24 hours later.
Post 45705944 was made 48 hours earlier, post 45894771 was made 48 hours later.
Post 45469471 was made 1 week (plus 7 minutes) earlier, post =I'll update this next week was made 1 week (plus 7 minutes) later.
That means:

• In 24 hours before the announcement, 57152 posts were made.
• In 24 hours after the announcement, 43820 posts were made.
• In 48 hours before the announcement, 104103 posts were made.
• In 48 hours after the announcement, 84724 posts were made.
• In 1 week (+7 minutes) before the announcement, 340576 posts were made.
• In 1 week (+7 minutes) after the announcement, ZZZ posts were made.

In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's zzz% less () posts.

When I click Show unread posts since last visit., I can now see some actual real threads again! There is still ANN and BOUNTY pollution, but in between are real topics (I have no boards on ignore on this account).

Update: theymos posted data on the number of posts per day in the past 30 days.

I see on this forum merit very important? No, it's very important to people who do bounty, bitcointalk worth trying to limit spam? but i see everyone doing bounty not just jr member, not too many jr members, the problem is the bounty of the ICO, all the ICO ask for the post number / 1 week => everyone want to do bounty they have to cmt => lots of post / 1 day and can not avoid spam, who dare sure everyone from rank member up not spam? When bitcointalk requests merit for jr member it makes a lot of people unable to do bounty and reduces the number of commet, which is very easy to understand, if bitcointalk can give up bounty with signature ("I know it is funny when I say this, but there is a vicious circle: making bounty => comment => many comments become spam to complete the bounty task) without the bounty on the forum signature will become true with the forum of crypto,Spammers will disappear, only those who want to exchange knowledge, skills, experience .... will stay, you can count how many post / 1 day, that is the actual number you ưant, with me: bounty = spammer,

[Jrashid]

In addition, I have noticed a couple of threads in altcoin boards which were interesting to read. I mean, there was a healthy discussion in last days. At least we are now started to have a little real discussion.
Long live Merit 

[ngoctunghp]

it was expected to happen. But I am now waiting for this to happen.

https://i.imgur.com/WBM3Gu2.jpg

really? shitpost decrease to 0?? if you want to see that,bitcointalk should reject bounty by signature ),why do you think from jr member up will not shitpost?only newbie has shitpost?? when all people come this forum with the attitude building, swap knowledge, learn exprience,there are no spam post,if wr still be used rank to do bount,we will be get shit post,nothing is  absolute so I think spam post decrease to 0 is impossible,we only can restrict post spam

[LoyceV]

I've updated the OP:

In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's 15.9% less posts.

Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.

[Thekool1s]

I've updated the OP:

In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's 15.9% less posts.

Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.

The requirement should have been 5-10 merits. We saw immediate results as soon as 1 merit rule was introduced. I believe, we can let this 1 merit run for a trial period of a month or two and if things are still the same we should bump up the merit requirement. As for Newbies Buying copper, let them buy. The next target for DT members should be the managers who are accepting these spam posts. They Deserve the Red tag immediately.

[criz2fer]

it was expected to happen. But I am now waiting for this to happen.
...

It would take time to make it possible. We need more data and analysis if this is needed or not because if it will be immediately implemented, the interest of people would also at risk specially there this is not only the medium in having more reliable information about cryptocurrency.

[stompix]

I've updated the OP:

In 24 hours, that's 23.3% less posts.
In 48 hours, that's 18.6% less posts.
In 1 week, that's 15.9% less posts.

Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.

I'm ok with 15%
Don't forget that when comparing the 24h interval you're comparing Sunday with Monday, and you can see a drop one week before also

0 | 26510 |
1 | 42433 |
2 | 46736 |
3 | 54921 |
4 | 45271 |
5 | 48072 |
6 | 48926 |
7 | 46559 |
8 | 45886 |
9 | 49366 |
10 | 55894|

Posting tweeter and fb links was not affected by this and I assume a lot of them started posting more since the signature option was no longer available. Judging by the fact that the Bounties board has become the second largest it might be safe to approximate 25% of the traffic goes there so the drop comes from the other sections.

And unfortunately, there are a lot of spammers with 0 merits that have ranked a long time ago and those are not affected.


 

[Mpamaegbu]

With the current that the admins are doing from yesterday to this has reduced a lot of new people can not write articles. minimize spam
The groups are discussing a lot about the new policy

what the fuck is this nonsense?

Hehehehe...That's the effect of getting hit in the head. Don't you realize the recent amendment by Theymos was a punch?

BTW, I really get pissed when I see certain good posts from Newbies which don't get merited. I know a lot of merit sources would rather merit a post by Theymos or known high ranked members here than merit a noob with great comments. This is my observation and I think the DT members should also start tagging those who merit signature and bounty OPs. What the heck is that for to merit bounties if not to lick asses.

[suchmoon]

BTW, I really get pissed when I see certain good posts from Newbies which don't get merited. I know a lot of merit sources would rather merit a post by Theymos or known high ranked members here than merit a noob with great comments.

You have merited only 1 or 2 newbies so you must be not that pissed really.

[chiyenbtre]

Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.

It is the important point.
As @coinlocket$ presented in his thread, the merit distribution increased more than 90% over the last week, since the implementation of new rank requirement, which requires 1 merit to be a Junior Member.

The start of new ERA!




Every single transactions can be found here, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R3dE2huMLqjvC1JpFUimRvXvktBxjD-Sgqw61S5oYhk/edit#gid=0

Feel free to find and report abusers!

It's also noticeable that more and more Junior Members that have 1 merit after that day.
Before that day, I believe that it is hard to find a Junior Member with at least 1 merit.
Personally, I call it as one of side effects of the new rank requirement.

Anyway, thanks @Theymos by the latest adjustments on ranking system.

[YOSHIE]

I was curious:
Theymos announced the "Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements" in post 45810047. This was on Sep 17 06:27 (Dutch time).
Post
When I click [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=unread]Show unread posts since last visit., I can now see some actual real threads again! There is still ANN and BOUNTY pollution, but in between are real topics (I have no boards on ignore on this account).

Update: theymos posted data on the number of posts per day in the past 30 days.

Under these conditions if there has not been any change to the policy and the application of this new rule of socialization related to the regulation, by establishing a regulation and marketing of Bitcoin Core and Merit recently implemented and the Forum Board witnessing both success and failure, I think it is necessary to collaborate with the characteristics successful new rules.

1.) DON'T EVER RECRUIT "NEW MEMBERS":

All Forums must adopt @theymos policy. The standard value of the Global Forum is to hire the best Members in the Forum,
2.) STEALING THE SCIENCE FROM COMPETITORS:

Most Forum Members only focus on their projects and tokens and are blind to other things.
3.) VALUE FOR DIVERSITY:

in building a team
Most of the Forums under the auspices of Bitcoin Core have teams from various ethnic groups, but there are still gender gaps.
4.) DO SOCIALIZATION QUICKLY:

Every Forum Board has made a mistake in recruiting talents, sometimes too slowly so that they lose good talent. In other situations, there are only members who are not suitable for the Bitcointalk Forum but pass the recruitment process. Remember, being a Forum wrongdoer is a natural thing that is important is how the Board makes improvements quickly.
5.) EVERYTHING TEST:

For Forum members it's about experimenting and testing initial assumptions and hypotheses.
Change everything according to the feedback the Board gets.
Let's say you run a pilot; it sounds much better.
6.) COMPLETED TASK :

If board have a lot of time and money, Bitcointalk Furum will be able to set a high target.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>It's also noticeable that more and more Junior Members that have 1 merit after that day.
Before that day, I believe that it is hard to find a Junior Member with at least 1 merit.<...>

There were quite a few before the change of rules (just over 5K):
As of 21/09/2018: 6.561 Jr. Members with at least 1 received sMerit (after the change of rules).
As of 14/09/2018: 5.087 Jr. Members with at least 1 received sMerit (before the change of rules).
As of 07/09/2018: 4.908 Jr. Members with at least 1 received sMerit.

You can see the boost caused by the change of rules though, going from a weekly increment of just 200 cases the week before, to nearly 1.500 after the first four days of change in rules. Most are re-ranked cases (1.463 of them back to Jr. Member from Newbie). Aside from that 145 Newbies that did-not rank-up were merited for the first time, and 29 went all the way up to Member from Newbie.

[MagicSmoker]

1.) DON'T EVER RECRUIT "NEW MEMBERS":

All Forums must adopt @theymos policy. The standard value of the Global Forum is to hire the best Members in the Forum,
...

What the hell is this gibberish*? The only members that have been hired here are the staff and some (all?) moderators; the rest of us are here voluntarily.







* - a rhetorical question, really.

[YOSHIE]

1.) DON'T EVER RECRUIT "NEW MEMBERS":

All Forums must adopt @theymos policy. The standard value of the Global Forum is to hire the best Members in the Forum,
...

What the hell is this gibberish*? The only members that have been hired here are the staff and some (all?) moderators; the rest of us are here voluntarily.

It is clear that those who work are staff, monderator ...
(all?) is (local?).
What do I mean to say? about new Members, if this is uncontrolled in (one) day if it continues to grow by around 100 people throughout the country, newbie members, do not expect spam to disappear?
"So every newbie member who registers must go through a selection of staff, Monderator, and local forums. If necessary, create a profile photo for newbie members, then all spam issues are resolved .... Not nonsense ... after all the requirements are complete, all decisions are received or not in hand @Theymos


"- the it new rhetorical...

[criz2fer]

Unfortunately, it looks like the spam reduction is already diminishing. That can be caused by the fact that last week the number of users with 1 Merit went up 25x faster than it did in previous weeks. Many Newbies were promoted back to Jr. Member, and many of those were ranked up through Merit abuse. I also see more Newbies wearing Copper Membership now, which allows them to continue spamming their signature.

It is the important point.
As @coinlocket$ presented in his thread, the merit distribution increased more than 90% over the last week, since the implementation of new rank requirement, which requires 1 merit to be a Junior Member.

The start of new ERA!
.....
Every single transactions can be found here, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R3dE2huMLqjvC1JpFUimRvXvktBxjD-Sgqw61S5oYhk/edit#gid=0

Feel free to find and report abusers!

It's also noticeable that more and more Junior Members that have 1 merit after that day.
Before that day, I believe that it is hard to find a Junior Member with at least 1 merit.
Personally, I call it as one of side effects of the new rank requirement.

Anyway, thanks @Theymos by the latest adjustments on ranking system.

From 6922-merit sent 23/09/2018

Now, we could just filter those merited newbies and check them which are legit and alt accounts. It would minimize the job of the mods to catch the account farmers and the spambies in the forum.

[cabalism13]

Now, we could just filter those merited newbies and check them which are legit and alt accounts.

You can now start the hard work by using these data of LoyceV :
http://loycevsbasement.privatedns.org/First_Merit_Received/Meritreceivers_4_days_after_changes_for_JrMembers.html

It would minimize the job of the mods to catch the account farmers and the spambies in the forum.

Yeah, it is indeed too much handy-dandy if they will still be bothered by these accounts.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>
From 6922-merit sent 23/09/2018

Now, we could just filter those merited newbies and check them which are legit and alt accounts. It would minimize the job of the mods to catch the account farmers and the spambies in the forum.

I shared the complete list a few days ago, with all newly up-ranked newbies:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KmBvi21XZn6Oxh8c6Vsuax6wxSAhsQWsAzDYfsYOU2E/edit#gid=0

Nevertheless, Mods will not likely follow-up potential cases. It’s up to whoever wishes to investigate the cases and bring them up in Reputation or threads dedicated to Merit Abuse.