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March 07, 2014, 02:47:49 PM
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I am not going to add a poll, because most people here have a strong vested interest/confirmation bias that Dorian S Nakamoto is not the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

But ya know what. He is.

He worked on Bitcoin as part of some project with funding from above that he is not allowed to talk about it. He used his birth name in the white paper because like any creative talent, part of him craves praise and recognition for his work. The female journalist caught of him off guard and he admitted to it, since then he has had time to get his head together, remind himself of the NDA agreement he signed and the consequences of him breaking it, and pulled on his game face and easily shrugged off further suggestions that he is the creator of Bitcoin as misunderstandings.

The discrepancies between Satoshi Nakamoto's high level literary skills and the disjointed English contained in Dorian S Nakamoto's personal Emails etc, means nothing. High grade fluent authoring capabilities and a genius level understanding level of mathematics generally do not go hand in hand. It was a large team that worked on Bitcoin. It had to be, and over many many years. A project member more adept at written communication would have handled that side of things.

Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, is the creator of Bitcoin. And it was part of a funded long term project to which he signed an NDA and is therefore bound not to ever be able to publicly acknowledge his part in it.

The truth has a certain chime to it and regardless of the smoke n mirrors that have went up around this scene, this sounds like the chiming of truth to me. He is the real deal but won't ever publicly admit it.....except when he is caught off-guard.

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March 07, 2014, 02:53:13 PM
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you are right dorian nakamoto is the real satoshi... its wrote on his birth certificate

but also the real bitcoin creator is not dorian. satoshi nakamoto is not wrote on the bitcoin inventors birth certificate

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March 07, 2014, 03:09:33 PM
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I also think that people don't understand you don't necessarily have to be completely competent in terms of conversational skills in a language to write or read on a level above them. It's a difficult concept to get your head around, but it's entirely possible for an individual to achieve a pH.D in english-speaking environment and still have a heavily accented, disjointed conversational language skills.

The background, ideas, and personality profile really does match what we know of 'satoshi' back then. People have a vested interest in just being plain flat out 'nonononolalalalala' when it comes to exposing one of 'their own', but in this case, the picture isn't all that much of a wild goose chase.

His background profile, political leaning, and general attitude is pretty much how many people thought satoshi would be - intelligent but emotionally stunted, insecure and secretive, innovative but lacking interpersonal manners, and craving some smug recognition with a slight attitude and chip on his shoulder. He may be 64, but behaves and has an attitude of someone who has been stuck in age of 29.

Nothing is definitive, but what we know so far shows that there are more than a few indicators which support the claim that he is THE REAL satoshi.

Discuss with something other than 'fuckfuckfucknoway'

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March 07, 2014, 03:22:59 PM
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I have the same feeling, this guy may be the real Satoshi Nakamoto. Everyone here says "look at the way he writes, this guy is not smart" but in the interview he seems to control very well his English and he seems to be smart.
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I also think that people don't understand you don't necessarily have to be completely competent in terms of conversational skills in a language to write or read on a level above them. It's a difficult concept to get your head around, but it's entirely possible for an individual to achieve a pH.D in english-speaking environment and still have a heavily accented, disjointed conversational language skills.

The background, ideas, and personality profile really does match what we know of 'satoshi' back then. People have a vested interest in just being plain flat out 'nonononolalalalala' when it comes to exposing one of 'their own', but in this case, the picture isn't all that much of a wild goose chase.

His background profile, political leaning, and general attitude is pretty much how many people thought satoshi would be - intelligent but emotionally stunted, insecure and secretive, innovative but lacking interpersonal manners, and craving some smug recognition with a slight attitude and chip on his shoulder. He may be 64, but behaves and has an attitude of someone who has been stuck in age of 29.

Nothing is definitive, but what we know so far shows that there are more than a few indicators which support the claim that he is THE REAL satoshi.

Discuss with something other than 'fuckfuckfucknoway'


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March 07, 2014, 05:07:54 PM
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A person can speak a language poorly but have much better writing skills with it. Heck, I was born in Detroit and have lived in America all my life, and I believe I have much better writing skills in English than speaking it.

I don't understand why anyone would claim Satoshi was just a front for an organization though. That's not a parsimonious claim. What organization would benefit? Not governments or banks whose ability to tax or extract transaction fees are directly undermined by Bitcoin. (Claims that bitcoin is a conspiracy created by either of those sources are terribly incoherent.)

He had years of time, based on the article information. He apparently had the competence, which not many randomly picked "Satoshi Nakamotos" would have (such as the one they mentioned was a clothing designer). As others mentioned, his overall profile fits much better than 99% of people on the street for being motivated and capable of creating Bitcoin. I don't feel that's proof, but he's going to need something stronger than a couple denials to make this all go away if he is not the creator of Bitcoin.

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March 07, 2014, 05:17:06 PM
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I am not going to add a poll, because most people here have a strong vested interest/confirmation bias that Dorian S Nakamoto is not the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

But ya know what. He is.

He worked on Bitcoin as part of some project with funding from above that he is not allowed to talk about it. He used his birth name in the white paper because like any creative talent, part of him craves praise and recognition for his work. The female journalist caught of him off guard and he admitted to it, since then he has had time to get his head together, remind himself of the NDA agreement he signed and the consequences of him breaking it, and pulled on his game face and easily shrugged off further suggestions that he is the creator of Bitcoin as misunderstandings.

The discrepancies between Satoshi Nakamoto's high level literary skills and the disjointed English contained in Dorian S Nakamoto's personal Emails etc, means nothing. High grade fluent authoring capabilities and a genius level understanding level of mathematics generally do not go hand in hand. It was a large team that worked on Bitcoin. It had to be, and over many many years. A project member more adept at written communication would have handled that side of things.

Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, is the creator of Bitcoin. And it was part of a funded long term project to which he signed an NDA and is therefore bound not to ever be able to publicly acknowledge his part in it.

The truth has a certain chime to it and regardless of the smoke n mirrors that have went up around this scene, this sounds like the chiming of truth to me. He is the real deal but won't ever publicly admit it.....except when he is caught off-guard.

Makes sense, there are endless possilities. But in my opinion, the direction this is going is that Dorian Nakamoto is indeed Satoshi. I mean, imagine if you worked on classified things for the U.S government, I'm sure that they'd make you sign a non disclosure agreement..

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March 07, 2014, 05:19:54 PM
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Makes sense, there are endless possilities. But in my opinion, the direction this is going is that Dorian Nakamoto is indeed Satoshi. I mean, imagine if you worked on classified things for the U.S government, I'm sure that they'd make you sign a non disclosure agreement..

He confirmed himself that he is made to sign NDA agreements for his (definitely not Bitcoin) classified projects that he has worked on, as though something inside of him is screaming to let the world know that it is him, he is the smart one, he is the genius.

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March 07, 2014, 05:21:34 PM
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Didn't Satoshi use Tor, generally avoid answering any personal questions and use anonymous and throw away email addresses, etc? It does not follow that he would go to all that trouble but pin his real birth name to all his work.
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March 07, 2014, 05:55:45 PM
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Didn't Satoshi use Tor, generally avoid answering any personal questions and use anonymous and throw away email addresses, etc? It does not follow that he would go to all that trouble but pin his real birth name to all his work.

Except that he used his name (if this is the guy) before Bitcoin was created and during its infancy, when his desire for privacy was less of an issue.

I agree this is a sticking point, a big one. But history is full of examples of "high security" projects or efforts that were compromised by innumerable foibles of human behavior that seem stupid in hindsight.

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Didn't Satoshi use Tor, generally avoid answering any personal questions and use anonymous and throw away email addresses, etc? It does not follow that he would go to all that trouble but pin his real birth name to all his work.

The secrecy is all based around pragmatism and perhaps sense of emphasised humility whilst under the eye of social scrutiny (very Japanese), however, don't you think that part of him would be screaming out for praise and recognition? It is only natural. He and his team worked on this project, perhaps they had no idea of what was to become of it and the attention that it would get.

Perhaps signing off his work with his birth given name didn't seem like such a huge deal at the time?

And remember. Ross Ulbricht came on this website looking to hire coders for Silk Road, using an Email address containing his real name. Now he really really did truly want to remain anonymous, but somehow managed not to with the most spectacular of consequences.


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It was a large team that worked on Bitcoin.
I don't think so. Maybe he took ideas from other people but I think the original client was programmed by just one person.
Software architecture reflects the team structure and the client was a monolithic beast -> One person-team.







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Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto is Satoshi Nakamoto, according to his birth certificate.
The creator of bitcoin is not him. That's about it.

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What organization would benefit? Not governments or banks whose ability to tax or extract transaction fees are directly undermined by Bitcoin. (Claims that bitcoin is a conspiracy created by either of those sources are terribly incoherent.)

just to play devil's advocate here....


Perhaps not an organization, but individuals within an organization could certainly benefit.

IF a member, or members of a government agency (or other agency with certain information) recognized that it was fully inevitable that a certain course of action would play out, for example the fall of the dollar as the world's reserve currency or other major financial event of similar magnitude, such as bail ins... then those people might see the value in having a currency which would look appealing as an alternative to fiat, or might see the huge value in being in on the ground floor and mining at zero difficulty (or 1, whatever it was) then IF that digital currency took off, making themselves fabulously rich.

Just because it doesn't benefit the government doesn't mean that someone (or a small group) within the government or workers for the government couldn't have played a part. Having access to certain technology and information could certainly have played a part in the creation of bitcoin.

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What organization would benefit? Not governments or banks whose ability to tax or extract transaction fees are directly undermined by Bitcoin. (Claims that bitcoin is a conspiracy created by either of those sources are terribly incoherent.)

just to play devil's advocate here....


Perhaps not an organization, but individuals within an organization could certainly benefit.

IF a member, or members of a government agency (or other agency with certain information) recognized that it was fully inevitable that a certain course of action would play out, for example the fall of the dollar as the world's reserve currency or other major financial event of similar magnitude, such as bail ins... then those people might see the value in having a currency which would look appealing as an alternative to fiat, or might see the huge value in being in on the ground floor and mining at zero difficulty (or 1, whatever it was) then IF that digital currency took off, making themselves fabulously rich.

Just because it doesn't benefit the government doesn't mean that someone (or a small group) within the government or workers for the government couldn't have played a part. Having access to certain technology and information could certainly have played a part in the creation of bitcoin.


Or maybe, just maybe, Bitcoins intended purpose is to provide a means for capital flight for individuals within economies that the US are trying to collapse on top off. Not because they want to give poor little wealthy Chinamen, Indians, or Brazilians a means of getting their wealth out of the collapse zone, but because fleeing capital helps bring down an economy and any regime propped up upon it, that happens not to play by the US's rules?

Just as Tor Browser was created by the military to facilitate 'subversive' internet communications in countries whose regime they are covertly helping to undermine, perhaps Bitcoin is the financial other cheek on the same arse.

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Dorian is too clumsy with his words and expressions.  He mispronounces too many things and hia general affect is that he has no idea what bitcoin is.  I don't believe that Satoshi is also an expert actor so I'm forced to conclude that Dorian is very unlikely to be the Bitcoin Satoshi

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Makes sense, there are endless possilities. But in my opinion, the direction this is going is that Dorian Nakamoto is indeed Satoshi. I mean, imagine if you worked on classified things for the U.S government, I'm sure that they'd make you sign a non disclosure agreement..

He confirmed himself that he is made to sign NDA agreements for his (definitely not Bitcoin) classified projects that he has worked on, as though something inside of him is screaming to let the world know that it is him, he is the smart one, he is the genius.

Really?  Cuz I just heard him scream for a free lunch.
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He confirmed himself that he is made to sign NDA agreements for his (definitely not Bitcoin) classified projects that he has worked on, as though something inside of him is screaming to let the world know that it is him, he is the smart one, he is the genius.

Really?  Cuz I just heard him scream for a free lunch.
No. He's just an old man who wanted free food.

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After seeing the way much of the public reacts to Bitcoin, I would be deathly afraid to admit I was the creator.
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