idacpro - SCAM ICO - FAKE TEAM / stealing people's identity

[sluppy]

Hi ICOEthics,
This is Thomas, the managing director of World Help Disability Welfare Foundation. I would like to address some of the questions you are asking. But before that I would also hope that you can clarify here in your thread why you intentionally missed out some of the important details in the letter I sent you. A lot of the answers you are looking for I have already tried to provide you with in that letter. So I am going to answer them again here.

1. Is World Help Disability Welfare Foundation and IDAC real?

Yes. World Help Disability Welfare Foundation is an officially registered organisation in Singapore with two aims - to help families and people with disabilities and to collect and analyse data which helps to develop new technologies for the disabled communities. It is rather strange for me to see that you purposely left out the part where I told you that we are able to provide you with the official government documents regarding our organisation which you can use to verify with the Singapore government. The government of Singapore is one of the most efficient and non corrupted government organisations in the world, I am sure they would be able to assist you should you require any clarification from them.

As for IDAC, it is a project that we are jointly developing with Zhongke Hive, a team of developers in China. The testnet is almost ready and will be released for testing soon after the ico. The platform is aimed at improving the current state of charity, where the management of charitable fund is highly centralised and untrackable. The project was partially inspired by some major cases of fraud and corruption, including the case of Haiti earthquake relief work where a huge sum of donation went missing under the management of the American Red Cross organisation.

2. Did we use fake IDs initially before our ICO sale?
Yes. And we have expressed our sincere apologies and provided you with a detailed explanation for it. Again you intentionally left out the details and instead, used the word 'lame' as your response. So I will try to provide the details here again. Like I mentioned earlier, the team mainly consists of Chinese engineers and developers (like a lot of the major crypto companies do) , who do not wish to reveal their identities due to the recent government crack down on any crypto related projects in China. The team members have other career commitments and some of them work in government funded organisations. So it is really very inconvenient and even risky for them to reveal their identities. However, after we found out about your post and learnt that there are people who actively look for dubious icos and give out warnings, we felt that you guys have a good cause and as developers, we should be responsible and honest for our product despite the risks that some of us might be taking. So we decided to stand by our creation, and replaced these fake IDs with real people from our team.

3. Did we pass KYC on ICObench?

Yes. We indeed passed all of the kyc tests ICObench requested for. I have no idea why you claimed that we did not pass any kyc test, that is simply untrue.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. If you need any more clarification, i am here to answer them. ICObench is requesting for extra kyc verifications at the moment, once that is done IDAC will be relisted because we are able to provide authentic proof of our work to them.

Some of the doubts can be clarified in this reply. The IDAC team is making a video at the moment to discuss what IDAC is in detail. Please stay tuned for that!

Lol you are funny   I dont give a damm how "detailed" your explanation is there is only one reason people use Fake IDs during ICO's you got caught now kindly F*ckoff.

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[marlboroza]

According to some investigation conducted, ICOEthics.com ranks at 5, 524, 013th, with ve

This isn't thread about ICOethics.

we are happy to answer any questions about IDAC

No, you are not. You are avoiding some posts here, for example my.

Can YOU create video of your team members including girl which is exposed as someone else and can you create video of your team members which failed ICObench's KYC test and can you create video of all team members? Do that and upload videos on youtube.

Or get the fuck out of here.

[TomIDAC]

We have been trying to resolve the issue in a sensible and reasonable way, however it is quite obvious that ICOEthics are deliberately avoiding responding to proper reasonings and details -

1.no response to the fact that we are able to provide official documentations about our organisation in Singapore.

2. No response to the fact that we have a real testing net ready to be tested by users, which is already a far better proof of our product than anything else. Many of the icos do not even have a real system already developed.

3. No response to the fact about the Chinese government's stand on ico and how it affects the Chinese developers. News and details about the crack down can simply be found on google.

4. One more question, how much of your 'evidence' are real, how many of them are simply your accusations and assumptions, and perhaps you can try not to manipulate certain details by taking words and details out of context.

In the beginning we thought ICOEthics were a respectable team with good intentions, however the recent rude, discriminating and unprofessional response in the thread have already made it pretty clear what kind of people ICOEthics are. We have made mistakes and we have corrected them, same can't be said about you guys. We are planning to engage law service about this matter, as it is quite obvious that ICOEthics is not able to respond to proper questions and reasoning.

[TomIDAC]

We have also noticed that you guys purposely take words out of context quite conveniently to facilitate your argument, very ethical and credible indeed. You guys asked for response and explanations in the first place and after we provided them you said you will simply not respond to them. Very professional and rational behaviour.

[TomIDAC]

Hi ICOEthics,
This is Thomas, the managing director of World Help Disability Welfare Foundation. I would like to address some of the questions you are asking. But before that I would also hope that you can clarify here in your thread why you intentionally missed out some of the important details in the letter I sent you. A lot of the answers you are looking for I have already tried to provide you with in that letter. So I am going to answer them again here.

1. Is World Help Disability Welfare Foundation and IDAC real?

Yes. World Help Disability Welfare Foundation is an officially registered organisation in Singapore with two aims - to help families and people with disabilities and to collect and analyse data which helps to develop new technologies for the disabled communities. It is rather strange for me to see that you purposely left out the part where I told you that we are able to provide you with the official government documents regarding our organisation which you can use to verify with the Singapore government. The government of Singapore is one of the most efficient and non corrupted government organisations in the world, I am sure they would be able to assist you should you require any clarification from them.

As for IDAC, it is a project that we are jointly developing with Zhongke Hive, a team of developers in China. The testnet is almost ready and will be released for testing soon after the ico. The platform is aimed at improving the current state of charity, where the management of charitable fund is highly centralised and untrackable. The project was partially inspired by some major cases of fraud and corruption, including the case of Haiti earthquake relief work where a huge sum of donation went missing under the management of the American Red Cross organisation.

2. Did we use fake IDs initially before our ICO sale?
Yes. And we have expressed our sincere apologies and provided you with a detailed explanation for it. Again you intentionally left out the details and instead, used the word 'lame' as your response. So I will try to provide the details here again. Like I mentioned earlier, the team mainly consists of Chinese engineers and developers (like a lot of the major crypto companies do) , who do not wish to reveal their identities due to the recent government crack down on any crypto related projects in China. The team members have other career commitments and some of them work in government funded organisations. So it is really very inconvenient and even risky for them to reveal their identities. However, after we found out about your post and learnt that there are people who actively look for dubious icos and give out warnings, we felt that you guys have a good cause and as developers, we should be responsible and honest for our product despite the risks that some of us might be taking. So we decided to stand by our creation, and replaced these fake IDs with real people from our team.

3. Did we pass KYC on ICObench?

Yes. We indeed passed all of the kyc tests ICObench requested for. I have no idea why you claimed that we did not pass any kyc test, that is simply untrue.

I hope I have answered some of your questions. If you need any more clarification, i am here to answer them. ICObench is requesting for extra kyc verifications at the moment, once that is done IDAC will be relisted because we are able to provide authentic proof of our work to them.

Some of the doubts can be clarified in this reply. The IDAC team is making a video at the moment to discuss what IDAC is in detail. Please stay tuned for that!

Lol you are funny   I dont give a damm how "detailed" your explanation is there is only one reason people use Fake IDs during ICO's you got caught now kindly F*ckoff.

No fake ids were used during ico to mislead anyone. What ICOEthics mentioned was way before ico even started. For our ico only members of our own team are publicised.

[ICOEthics]

No fake ids were used during ico to mislead anyone. What ICOEthics mentioned was way before ico even started. For our ico only members of our own team are publicised.

We dont care about your excuses about the Chinese govt BS that you mentioned - That's your problem.

Now, Who is misleading who here? You started a project with a fake team.

YOU used fake ID's. You switched the first fake team for the second fake team. Your fake team didnt pass KYC.

WHERE is the video of your team? why are you avoiding to answer this:

Can YOU create video of your team members including girl which is exposed as someone else and can you create video of your team members which failed ICObench's KYC test and can you create video of all team members? Do that and upload videos on youtube.

Or get the fuck out of here.

Chinese Government: jubao.nifa.org.cn (report people associated with ICOs)

[ICOEthics]

Another LIE from this scammer.


They are working on their website that was offline (http://www.whdwf.sg).
They created some fake posts about getting support from other organizations.


http://www.whdwf.sg/blog/conversation-with-community-foundation-singapore







Who is Anne-Marie Clavelli
https://www.cf.org.sg/2017/10/12/arts-for-the-community/








Unable to find her email, Linkedin or other way to contact her, we reached the foundation on their Facebook. And below is their answer:
https://www.facebook.com/CommunityFoundationofSingapore/

[marlboroza]

Strangely enough, nothing about IDAC can be found in this article(use google translator  ):

http://www.g.com.cn/tech/56404974/

Public welfare face to face | Mr. Cui Jiping, Chairman of Anhui Jiping Assistance Foundation, was invited to conduct a Tokyo study

Mr. Cui Jiping is IDAC's COO. Perhaps ICObench should perform KYC on them too, the same way as they did it on other team members (fail passed - passed - fail passed - fail passed - fail)

I didn't know about that other idac topic at first, it's not unusual to see writers using pseudonyms. However, I doubt that's the case here:

https://librusec.pro/a/243721

https://vk.com/dovlatovalesya

https://www.reklama-expo.ru/ru/news/digest-2016.02/interview_ang_8/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Besprotsentny-kredit-Shokiruyushchaya-besprotsentnykh-kreditakh/dp/B005FBWDGS/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1543344995&sr=1-1&refinements=p_27%3AAlesya+Dovlatova+Alena+Narinyani

http://mega-eworld.com/pub/section100624/element2406237/

http://samlib.ru/a/alesja_d/

http://www.propr.me/vsya-pravda-o-reklame-i-reklamnyx-agentstvax-intervyu-s-alesej-dovlatovoj/
^^

Ales Dovlatova, Vice-President of the Agency for Independent Journalism, shared the peculiarities of various advertising formats, answered the question “why copywriters cannot write good texts,” and also told the truth about how some advertising agents and naive clients work

The way Alesya Dovlatova I mean Olga Fomina has passed KYC test after she fail the same test is one big mystery. I am not sure why IDAC refuse to upload few videos.

[ICOEthics]

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The way Alesya Dovlatova I mean Olga Fomina has passed KYC test after she fail the same test is one big mystery. I am not sure why IDAC refuse to upload few videos.

And that applies to all team member's that failed KYC and passed- it is a big mystery -(Wondering how much they paid)





Last week we reported to ICOBench that this project is a SCAM, and below was their answer.
So, basically, ICOBench will accept any excuse coming from a scammer without doing further investigation.





We posted in a few places about the corruption inside ICOBench giving this as one example. Here is one of the post:

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@icoethics/idacpro-scam-ico-project

[deception1359]

WE MUST BANNED ICOBENCH FOREVER.
I WISH ICOBENCH WILL SHUTDOWN FOREVER

[ICOEthics]

TODAY We managed to call the attention of some "experts" and they removed their ratings. - falling from 4.0 to 2.8
They said they were unaware of scam and ICOBench never informed them, keeping them on the dark.

Read their comments:

BEFORE







NOW:

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TODAY We managed to call the attention of some "experts" and they removed their ratings. - falling from 4.0 to 2.8
They said they were unaware of scam and ICOBench never informed them keeping them on the dark.

Read their comments:

BEFORE
...
NOW:
...

It shows how shallow their initial comments were, just blind endorsements (for money, probably).
Also the recommendation to "get more advisors if you want to be successful"....
At best these self proclaimed experts and their views are not credible, at worst they are part of a corrupt self serving system.

[marlboroza]

I am not sure which picture should I look now.

Thomas Guo failed test, Guo Chao passed, linkedin profile shows name Guo Thomas Chao so how Thomas failed and Guo passed the same test??? It is quite strange that they passed KYC test 15 day after they failed it 

The IDAC team is making a video at the moment to discuss what IDAC is in detail. Please stay tuned for that!

Hopefully we will see video soon.

[ICOEthics]

While we still waiting for a video (which will never be presented, of course.)

Another "expert" removed his ratings:


BEFORE



AFTER

[JayCue]

@Xena_Xena's negative trust rating brought me here. Do you think the LivenPay ICO that he/she managed here is a scam too?

[ICOEthics]

OLGA FOMINA is participating on Glyph Glyff (edited) project. He identity is uncertain. She submitted some suspicious pictures of herself to the forum. We have more questions for her but she refuses to come to the forum to answer them. Below is a lame excuse from OLGA FOMINA posted by Glyph Glyff (edited)team member:[/b]

Hello Team,

Please ask your team member OLGA FOMINA to reply to our thread about her involvement in a scam project.
It doesn't look good for your project to have a person that participates in scams and refuses to say something about.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5059552.0

Thank you.

Olga have asked to be contacted on LinkedIn because she doesn't have a bitcointalk account, this is her initial response :

"I have already answered about IDAC - Arthur, my ex colleague, asked me to become part of the IDAC team, but we ended up not working together and many times i have asked to remove my name from their website but it was never done. In fact, they just added my photo and they don't answer anymore. I am not part of IDAC project and never was."

Obviously, she is not interested to answer any accusation. as we all know how easy is to open a bitcointalk account.  Every project that she participates we will classify as suspicious project because she cannot be trusted. Now she is denying her participation on this scam (IDAC pro), but she had to submit her information to pass KYC. And it appears that she had to do a few times since she failed the first time and mysteriously passed later.

[morvillz7z]

Ha, I didn't notice that she was involved with another project. Interestingly enough she uses the same name - Olga, although I remember investigating this case and have come up with a different name - Alesya Dovlatova. How did she pass KYC after failing multiple times? Oh well, I think we are all passed that time we believed in ICOBench KYC procedures.

OLGA FOMINA is participating on Glyph project.

It's Glyff.

[ICOEthics]

Ha, I didn't notice that she was involved with another project. Interestingly enough she uses the same name - Olga, although I remember investigating this case and have come up with a different name - Alesya Dovlatova. How did she pass KYC after failing multiple times? Oh well, I think we are all passed that time we believed in ICOBench KYC procedures.

OLGA FOMINA is participating on Glyph project.

It's Glyff.

Thank you for correcting the name of the project. We are also interested to know how did she pass KYC after failing.
There is a scam accusation against them here, which still open.
Interesting that Olga's LinkedIn profile doesn't have anything about her books. https://www.linkedin.com/in/olga-fomina-55197a174/
https://i.imgur.com/LKqgEM2.png https://i.imgur.com/nj7TNyZ.png

[morvillz7z]

Thanks for the link. I noticed some pictures are provided as proof of her identity. Can someone from Russia please confirm how many years passports are valid for? Passport photo shows issue date 2006. Internet says 10 years which means passport has expired and the girl is without a valid passport for over two years. Strange.

I made a comparison between the passport photograph and pictures found online, AWS points to around 90% match, which is not great... but I'd probably accept that as a match (given the age difference between the photos). The use of two different names though...still a mystery.