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November 10, 2018, 08:17:54 PM
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This is just an Idea and a Suggestion and note for new and existing users about the Forum Rules.

Maybe it is more helpful for New Users and they can see the Rules earlyer this way.

Also, existing users may often be reminded of the rules.

My Suggestion:

1. Create a Forum Rules Button on the Top Buttons Bar and when you click on it you get to the Forum Rules.

2. Since usually in every subforum the rules are pinned, one could highlight the font in color so that the thread becomes more attentive to the rules.

This can be maybe looking like this :




This should actually be easy to integrate into the system and the page!

If you have any more ideas about it or others to bring the Rules more visible to Users feel free to post it !

Its just an Suggestion.

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November 10, 2018, 08:23:31 PM
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Here is a link to the image in Imgur :
https://i.imgur.com/bb5M31M.jpg

Edit : the image is working now, I got an error the first time.

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November 10, 2018, 08:28:12 PM
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This is obviously a welcome suggestion,it may actually not be changing much because the rules are there for all to see..
But creating a separate button for rules will happen to be more catchy and easily accessible to new users on the forum..
And more so highlighting them in a different color Makes it stand out, and enforces the fact that that thread ought to be read...
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November 10, 2018, 08:35:47 PM
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A different colour text would sure draw attention to a text as it tends to stick out from the rest.

But how many users actually break the rules unknowingly? The basic rules are generally accepted code of conducts and is frowned upon in any community or forum.
Highlighting it won't compel others to actually read it through if they do click in it, and it won't stop those who try regularly to cheat the system, but it can help the well meaning users who might be ignorant of ne rule or the other.

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November 10, 2018, 08:38:22 PM
Merited by o_e_l_e_o (2), Lafu (1), HeRetiK (1), Pmalek (1)
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Not a bad suggestion at all, but the pessimist ghost that lives between my ears is telling me that our chronic shitposting/spamming/plagiarizing population is just going to ignore it, just like they fail to read everything else that might keep them from getting banned or put on ignore lists.

The rules need to be updated IMO, particularly with respect to plagiarism--what constitutes plagiarism and what doesn't, and I suggested this in another thread.  There also needs to be more enforcement of certain rules, like not making zero-value posts, not making consecutive posts, and not necrobumping threads.  I think if those improvements would require more staff members, Theymos ought to hire some.  Flying Hellfish is doing a bangup job in P&S, and I think we need more mods like him in sections like Bitcoin Discussion and Economics.  I'm not disparaging the current mods of those sections, because I know it's got to be a crazy job, but I think some help is required.

But back to what OP suggested, making the rules more visible would certainly be a good thing.  It might help at least a small number of new members who will actually take the time to read the rules.

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November 10, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
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1. Create a Forum Rules Button on the Top Buttons Bar and when you click on it you get to the Forum Rules.


I think it is time for Theymos to write the "Official" rules and create the button in top as you suggested.

Just my thinking , "Unofficial" word in rules does not sound great.

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November 10, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
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But how many users actually break the rules unknowingly?

Take a Look here at  https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php and you see self how many !

@The Pharmacist

Yeah i know that the Spam and Shitposting Army would be continue.
But as you said too maybe we can bring the Rules more to a small number of new members and it can be a hint for existing ones too!
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November 10, 2018, 09:10:31 PM
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Social studies have shown that flashing red and blue colors are the best way to draw attention.

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November 10, 2018, 09:14:26 PM
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Good suggestion. Although just as most individuals don't read terms and conditions of exchange and other sites before clicking the accept button even when the sites makes it visible enough, so will be the case on forum but with the implementation of your suggestion, defaulters who are caught won't have an excuse of "the rules not been clear enough". So I love the suggestion.

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November 10, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
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Not a bad suggestion at all, but the pessimist ghost that lives between my ears is telling me that our chronic shitposting/spamming/plagiarizing population is just going to ignore it, just like they fail to read everything else that might keep them from getting banned or put on ignore lists.


Judging by the way many of them post, they don't even read much of the other posts in the threads they are posting in. I'm not even certain if they even read and comprehend the posts that they proceed to plagiarize.  Cheesy

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November 10, 2018, 11:10:16 PM
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If it would be seen on the Bitcointalk which accounts were banned with indicating the points of the rules that were violated then in my opinion even the laziest users and spammers would be interested to read the forum rules.


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November 11, 2018, 09:08:33 AM
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Judging by the way many of them post, they don't even read much of the other posts in the threads they are posting in.

They don't even read the OP, let alone the other posts in the thread. Some of them don't even read the topic subject/title. They definitely don't read the stickied threads or the rules, and I don't think even having it in flashing neon size 60 text would change that.

The small number of newbies who aren't spammers will read the rules. The rest won't, regardless of what we do. More mods and more strict punishments for spamming, and word would quickly spread amongst the shitposters. That, I think, would be much more effective than any attempt to get them to actually read the rules.

Or perhaps hilarious' suggestion of subtly adding them to pictures of scantily clad women is the way to go.

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November 11, 2018, 04:02:14 PM
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I would suggest the following.
Once a new user registers the first thing he sees after entering his login details are the rules of the forum. I have seen that on other forums. And dont give them the option to immediately close the page by clicking accept, instead a countdown of 30 secs would be initiated and only after the time is up they would be able to click on accept and access the forum.

This should be the case every time they login to the site for as long as they are Newbies. As their rank changes to Jr. Member this would no longer be the case. It is no guarantee that they will read the rules but maybe some will. 

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November 12, 2018, 02:02:38 PM
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They are still Unofficial rules but we enforce them quite heavily.
Isn't it time now to make the Official /complete/ Forum Rules, then this suggestion will be perfectly logical.
We need some cases/scenarios to be cleared out so we know how to react in a particular case when is't not covered by the rules.

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November 12, 2018, 02:13:40 PM
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To be honest, from the moment you enforce rules they do become OFFICIAL, no matter how you name them.

Keep in mind the word unofficial only applies to the list and not to the rules themselves.

However an official LIST would also be great.

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November 12, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
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To be honest, from the moment you enforce rules they do become OFFICIAL, no matter how you name them.

Keep in mind the word unofficial only applies to the list and not to the rules themselves.

However an official LIST would also be great.

Yes, you are correct, it applies only for the list, but I read it so many times that only the word Unofficial stuck in my head.
Anyway I support the suggestion with 2 hands, I even suggested it myself some months ago, that the rules have to be more visible.

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November 13, 2018, 08:48:54 AM
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Here is a link to the image in Imgur :
https://i.imgur.com/bb5M31M.jpg

Edit : the image is working now, I got an error the first time.
Not sure what is your real problem, but I guess (only my guess) that you got trouble with normal link (I don't remember what its name truly is, I will update the post later when I am on computer); then all thing was fine when you used Direct Link.
Personally, I always use Direct Links on imgur to show attached images inside my posts.
Do I guess right, @iasenko?

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November 13, 2018, 08:53:59 AM
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Not sure what is your real problem, but I guess (only my guess) that you got trouble with normal link (I don't remember what its name truly is, I will update the post later when I am on computer); then all thing was fine when you used Direct Link.
Personally, I always use Direct Links on imgur to show attached images inside my posts.
Do I guess right, @iasenko?

When I open the thread for the first time there was an error on the image and I thought that it may be the German server he is uploading the picture to.
That's why I uploaded it on imgur but when I posted the new image, I saw that his link is also working just fine and  left a note that it's working now.
That's all.

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Last edit: November 13, 2018, 12:47:12 PM by cryptohunter
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Great idea I think it would help a lot to alert people to the unofficial rules.

Of course it will not help with the largest and most dangerous problem of intentional scammers who will always be crafty and stealthy or just too big to tackle and bring down fully. The board will not be easy to moderate until sigs are removed. Or a decentralised version of noob jail brought back.

The unofficial rules  should come with a guide to the possible action that will be taken against you for each infraction. Merit reduction and variable time bans. They can't be too rigid (which is why i think they are not already) because there always be need for a human element to take all factors into consideration. Any bad decisions can also be discussed in meta anyway.

The problem is most people are worried about the smaller less damaging infractions more than tackling the huge scams.

Intentional bad guys that have demonstrated they are not to be trusted should be perm banned.

The real dangerous ones are not going to be easily caught though.


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November 21, 2018, 09:00:44 PM
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@iasenko

Take a look at my Picture i have posted in the first post there you can see the " More " Button too !

Guess it is there now near 2 weeks !


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