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February 01, 2019, 08:26:20 PM
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I just hope JusticeforYou can find an old usb drive with the backup for the lost private keys. I'm not sure what to think of the red tag.  Huh Maybe the PM to theymos can clear this matter up quickly. However, I'm not certain IP addresses from years ago mean much since many carriers have dynamic IPs.

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I just hope JusticeforYou can find an old usb drive with the backup for the lost private keys. I'm not sure what to think of the red tag.  Huh
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The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).

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However, I'm not certain IP addresses from years ago mean much since many carriers have dynamic IPs.
Correct; it could be the same area though. However, JusticeForYou could simply claim they moved and thus (conveniently, again) aren't in the same area anymore.

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February 01, 2019, 08:39:49 PM
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I just hope JusticeforYou can find an old usb drive with the backup for the lost private keys. I'm not sure what to think of the red tag.  Huh
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The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).

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However, I'm not certain IP addresses from years ago mean much since many carriers have dynamic IPs.
Correct; it could be the same area though. However, JusticeForYou could simply claim they moved and thus (conveniently, again) aren't in the same area anymore.

People use their own IP to login on this board?
If you can not find wifi left open in a built up area or be bothered with tor the minimum would be a throw away phone.

I feel the onus should be on the accuser to prove it is not the same person. What happens to innocent until proven guilty.

Neutral trust is the max here else it can be seen as very very heavy handed.

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February 02, 2019, 04:30:09 AM
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Though I hate to see a VIP account get tagged for something like this, my instinct--based on what I'm reading from JusticeForYou--tells me that the current owner of the account isn't the original one.  Every piece of evidence points to the current owner not being a member from 2011, from the inability to sign a message to not owning a significant amount of bitcoin.  Nothing really points toward the opposite that I can see.
Much, things like owing the original email, also not trying to spam anyone, not earning BTC from commenting here simply points that I am the original owner and also not here to scam anyone. But I have just got this tag based on assumptions and that is why I find it as an abuse of trust by DT to reduce the repo of my account.


It's a good thing that there was no scam attempt, and JusticeForYou seems like a decent person--but you never know what anyone's intentions are, not on the internet and especially not on this forum.  I'm still trying to figure out how many alt accounts VINSIN has and who these troll accounts actually belong to, and they're not anywhere near VIP members.  Ultimately it's better to be safe than sorry, because all the senior members here have seen high-ranked accounts turn out to be scammers (Master-P, for example).
I see you have a good sense of judging people online than @suchmoon, also you should have known that I am not here to scam but just engage in some discussion which I personally find helpful and interesting. Anyone can just see one thing very clear here if anyone tries to go in an anti-DT mode he is accused of some scam accusation or his account is ruined by red-trust from the monopolized system of trust here.


I'm still hoping there's a way of JFY proving he's the original owner of the account, but it looks like he's going to go with being the victim of injustice option instead.  No offense, JFY.
Yes, there are many things I have proved already, about the email I sent a PM to theymos and also reported a PM to Global Mod. But you should see this is not an accusation to help me in proving and no one is trying to do so, but most of the DT commenting here are trying to go sherlock holmes on me and try to find me in any situation they can accuse me of and stop me from giving my genuine views about the trust system by hampering my repo. This sentence of you'rs proves that you fully understand what is being a victim of injustice and that's what happening here.  



This is what happens to established members who point out abuse.  Pretty typical.  You don't agree with those who are trying to corner the trust system, you must be cast out of the system.  Plain and simple.
Yes, a very simple logic anyone can see, most of the things I read are turning true about the "clique" most of the people are pointing here. There should be some proof that I am not the original owner or I am here to scam anyone. Everyone here knows red-tag indicated that the person is engaged in some type of fraud or has scammed someone, but me not doing anything worthy of the red-tag is been abused with red trust just because they don't like my views on the current trust system.



Not saying OP is or isn't the original owner, but I find it funny people keep asking to see a fat stack of coins.
The value in keeping your crypto holdings private on a profile linked to your identity is much higher than the value of proving that identity.
Anyone here would not be happy to publically expose high BTC amounts and address where it is stored, it was a very shady attempt by @actmyname and @qwk to try put me into a ring of the question and get un-needed info from me. After all privacy of the fund is for all we use crypto for, but they are willing to expose all of it from me just to prove I am the original owner.

(maybe your proposed transfer of a minor amount of BTC will do the trick, but we'll see how much it turns out to be).



The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).
No, the only reason I am tagged is that I was trying to warn the community about your shady behavior and way of mutilating the trust system nothing else. It is pretty much clear to everyone that it is an attempt of all of your "cult" members to comment here with shady ways to put me into the worst situation.

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February 02, 2019, 05:03:51 AM
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I do not know if they asked, but do you have access to any other account, besides the email, that used the nick BTC_Bear before 2016?
Something that would not be easy to change the password using just the email. GPG, account on bitcoin-otc IRC.

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February 02, 2019, 05:08:46 AM
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Doubtful. I don't believe the current holder of this account is original owner. Search post history. Easy shit. Tongue
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February 02, 2019, 05:09:07 AM
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I feel the onus should be on the accuser to prove it is not the same person. What happens to innocent until proven guilty.

Suspicions didn't appear out of nowhere. After a year of absence VIP edited password/profile's name and it was noted that his writing style has changed significantly.


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The name change was very recent. Around 2 weeks ago ~

~ Is this caused by the same issue that also caused you to "unlearn" English recently?



Also raises suspicions when JusticeForYou regularly points out at his privileged position and that he deserves a "special treatment".

However, it's not uncommon for email addresses to change hands together with a Bitcointalkaccount, either when the email gets hacked, or when the account gets sold, so it doesn't really prove anything.
Yes, but it is uncommon for a VIP account, I take the security more seriously, also you need to consider a exception.

A new address has been staked, without any prior signed message. Quite convenient.
Yes, it is. And I am already known by theymos and other Donators here.




People use their own IP to login on this board?

I suppose, if VIP profile hasn't changed hands then the real owner of the account have to remember did he use Tor browser or VPN in previous entrances.
Admins can check up this story and help solve the case.
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February 02, 2019, 05:17:13 AM
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The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).
No, the only reason I am tagged is that I was trying to warn the community about your shady behavior and way of mutilating the trust system nothing else. It is pretty much clear to everyone that it is an attempt of all of your "cult" members to comment here with shady ways to put me into the worst situation.
Correlation is not causation. Sure, attention was brought to the account once you became active again (in topics that overlapped with the "cult" interests).

But the thing is, this thread was here before the DT change. The only difference is that now you've responded to it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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The only reason for which he was not tagged sooner is his rank. Had it been a normal member they would long have been red (all the prior discussed things considered).
No, the only reason I am tagged is that I was trying to warn the community about your shady behavior and way of mutilating the trust system nothing else. It is pretty much clear to everyone that it is an attempt of all of your "cult" members to comment here with shady ways to put me into the worst situation.
You are really pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable what is libel. Luckily for you most people are liberal when it comes to that around here (which I am completely against). Qwk has never sided with an opinion of mine just because it is "my opinion", so you can shove your bullshit elsewhere. Go back to the hole that you've crawled out of and try again with another hacked account.

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But the thing is, this thread was here before the DT change. The only difference is that now you've responded to it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The user has been dodging everything ever since they weaseled their way into Meta to spread a false narrative.

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I was wondering why you didn't come here to whisper and get me a tag. Still, your tag does not lower the importance of my words. I will keep posting what I think is right and good for the community.

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I was wondering why you didn't come here to whisper and get me a tag. Still, your tag does not lower the importance of my words. I will keep posting what I think is right and good for the community my personal agenda.
FTFY. You can continue to lie all you want as long as everyone is aware that you are dishonest (i.e. using someone else's account). Smiley

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I was wondering why you didn't come here to whisper and get me a tag. Still, your tag does not lower the importance of my words. I will keep posting what I think is right and good for the community my personal agenda.
FTFY. You can continue to lie all you want as long as everyone is aware that you are dishonest (i.e. using someone else's account). Smiley

I agree with you.

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I was wondering why you didn't come here to whisper and get me a tag. Still, your tag does not lower the importance of my words. I will keep posting what I think is right and good for the community my personal agenda.
FTFY. You can continue to lie all you want as long as everyone is aware that you are dishonest (i.e. using someone else's account). Smiley

I keep telling you not to accuse people of lying when you are a proven liar. What part of that is not getting through to you? It looks pathetic.

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February 02, 2019, 07:53:29 PM
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This isn't the first time he's woken from a long period of inactivity either. He disappeared on May 26, 2015 to reappear on August 13, 2017.
But recent password resets, points to a different case (I checked the relevant archived pages of "security log" but didn't find any password resets on previous period):

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  • November 06, 2018, 07:23:19 PM - JusticeForYou - password reset via email
  • November 06, 2018, 07:05:09 PM - JusticeForYou - password changed
  • November 06, 2018, 03:55:44 PM - JusticeForYou - woke up
  • November 06, 2018, 03:55:34 PM - JusticeForYou - password reset via email

Is there any indication his email was recently changed? If the email was not changed, the account presumably was not hacked -- this is speaking nearly four months after any potential hack. In general, hacked accounts will immidiately try to scam or otherwise cause damage because of the ongoing risk that someone will come along claiming to be the original owner of the account. If the email was not changed four months after the fact, there is also the risk the owner will simply reset the password via email to reclaim the account.

I am not aware of any hacked account causing damage 3+ months after the fact.

I would also not be especially surprised to see someone reseting their password via email after a long time of inactivity if the password was semi-unique, as people tend to forget these types of things if they have not used them in a long time.

The loan request was clearly not a serious request, and was more along the lines of pointing out all the ridiculousness in the lending section.

A quick question that you should be able to answer:
Do you remember why you are in Bitcoin?
(I think I remember)
Yes, I was first introduced to it by Steve Gibson. Also I was working with IRC stuff at the initial stage.
Correct for the "Steve Gibson" part.
Reference (only visible to donators, vips and staff): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66601.msg805221#msg805221
Otoh, this is information that can be seen in your post history, so it doesn't necessarily prove much.
What it tells me is that you're either really BTC_Bear or someone who's quick at searching through his post history Wink
To be entirely fair, this is a question that you asked, and according to you, it was answered correctly. As you point out, the reference is only available to a small set of people, so someone looking through his post history would effectively need to do so while logged into his account.

But go ahead, show us the money, it might be convincing, if it's a large enough stack Wink
No it is not as I said I don't earn from crypto now.
Too sad. Signing with e.g. a hundred BTC would have made a good point for you.
Many (of course not all) VIPs should be able to do that.
Quite a few (again: not all) donators can.
I don't think there are many people from 2011 that can sign pre-2014 coins, especially large in large amounts. I suspect that most who did not cash out in 2013, cashed out in 2017 when the price went up to $20k. There are also probably a decent amount of sad sacks that cashed out at $20 or $50. Others probably did not put a lot of effort into ensuring their private keys worth $500 would remain when a HDD is no longer available.

I think the account is most likely not hacked in large part because he hasn't tried to cause any damage in the four months since he returned, despite having a very low profile. There was this thread, but it did not get much attention.

With that being said, he has very little trade history to start with, and as I pointed out here, it is usually not a good idea to trust someone (with a long/successful history of trading) after returning from a hiatus as their situation may have changed and caused them to be willing to do unsavory acts.
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February 03, 2019, 03:01:59 AM
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Quote from: actmyname link=topic=5071290.msg49519981#msg49519981
And when did your hard drive crash?
It was around Jan 2016 due to a electricity overload in my house.

So it didn't affect this address: 1ApJdWUdSWYw8n8HEATYhHXA9EYoRTy7c4

Shown here in 2017: http://web.archive.org/web/20171126120414/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18021

Is that correct?
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February 03, 2019, 03:11:34 AM
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So it didn't affect this address: 1ApJdWUdSWYw8n8HEATYhHXA9EYoRTy7c4

Shown here in 2017: http://web.archive.org/web/20171126120414/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18021

Is that correct?
An address on a profile may be there regardless of when it was updated. This is why I did not bring up the archive.

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February 03, 2019, 03:17:42 AM
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Meh, last time that address sent or received any BTC was in 2014. and that was only a dusting.
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An address on a profile may be there regardless of when it was updated. This is why I did not bring up the archive.

I know. Still a bit weird to keep an address that you lost private keys of. I'd like the hear the excuse for that Smiley

Even more weird is to add that address to one's profile after the alleged loss occurred... since it wasn't there in March 2016:

http://web.archive.org/web/20160328090413/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18021
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It absolutely isn't definitive, but I'm going to go with this is the original owner of the account. You have some very unique writing patterns that you'd have to be a genius to pick up on as an impostor.

This isn't a slight at your grammar or anything, I'm the last that needs to be casting stones, but check out old and new post's use of capitalization in places where it shouldn't be. You have a habit of capitalizing words around proper nouns, but not necessarily the proper nouns themselves. In addition, both old and new posts have very strangely capitalized words.

Old post:


New post:


There are a lot of examples, its a fairly uncommon trait and its pretty consistent throughout the past 6 years.


You also seem to always get the exact capitalization of each user you are responding to right, even when their username is Sw3EtbItCOiNUZr69Xd
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February 03, 2019, 04:00:41 AM
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So it didn't affect this address: 1ApJdWUdSWYw8n8HEATYhHXA9EYoRTy7c4

Shown here in 2017: http://web.archive.org/web/20171126120414/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18021

Is that correct?
An address on a profile may be there regardless of when it was updated. This is why I did not bring up the archive.
Meh, last time that address sent or received any BTC was in 2014. and that was only a dusting.
It was actually in 2013 when counting transactions with economic value. The transaction in 2014 was a payment to that address worth less than a half penny at the time and is worth $0.03 today.

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