Why are FUD-trolls allowed to open 4 topics per day?

[cryptohunter]

I agree with you OP

I also think people opening 4 new topics within 4 days spamming their favourite alt on the alt discussion board should be told to merge them and also get a 1 week ban and 100 merit or what (if dont have 100) the poster has deleted.

I have seen numerous ada and eos  topics opened by the same account before under the guise of new great observations about the project. They could have mentioned all of that on their first thread.

Should be 1 new thread opened per week on the same alt per poster.

Would be cool to have sigs removed from the main alt board because deliberate spammers and bots get noticed and are less welcome in the communities own threads in the ANN section. You always get some passionate people in most ann threads who wouldnt endure too much trash sprouting up in their threads.

The main alt discussion board is the one that has certainly been damaged the most since end of 2017 and needs the most help.

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[mOgliE]

I'd say it's because he's a good chance for Bitcoiners.

On Audi forum you're not allowed to spit at Audi because it serves no purpose but to make people think again about buying Audi, which isn't good for Audi.

But on the forum what does the FUD make?
-Keep away people not really certain about BTC -> good thing cause that's not a market you want to enter with weak hands
-Force people who are interested to think again and look for more info
-Make the weak hands sell (that means cheaper coins so that's a good thing too)

I love FUD and people spreading it. It means slow, stable and intelligent adoption by people understanding the technology and why it's FUD and not legitimate criticism. It means cheaper coins for everyone and good trades opportunity (shorting isn't bad in itself ^^).

Don't hate the FUD. Embrace it.

Though I agree it mustn't prevent other discussions so when 95% of topics will be FUD we'll need some kind of regulation on spamming :/

[darklus123]

Well, you know the current forum situation is. If spamming is still a real problem even if there were solid rules about it. How much more about making FUD statements.

The best thing to do here is to just report every post and explain a good point to why is this a troll post(then hope that something good might happen to this account)

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

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[tmfp]

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

D'ya think? Looks like he lost his GSOH on the way, then.
Troll account?
Not really, more like a Bitcoin Skeptic account: that's allowed, isn't it?

[hilariousetc]

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

Thanks, that more or less answers my question. It's allowed

Trolling isn't allowed as per the rules but obviously that's completely subjective and why I brought the issue up in the staff forum for other's opinion, but nobody at all commented on it. I'd say he crosses the line from being a bitcoin cynic to a troll. His entire history here has just been to scream negativity about bitcoin and if he wasn't a troll he could do that in a much different way, but he's only here to alarm and fud.

I brought him up in the staff forum back in February. Obviously just a troll account. Pretty sure he is NLC as well. Probably best to just ignore him because nothing will likely be done about it.

D'ya think? Looks like he lost his GSOH on the way, then.
Troll account?
Not really, more like a Bitcoin Skeptic account: that's allowed, isn't it?

There's a difference between someone being a sceptic and someone just being an outright troll who is just posting alarmist threads to purposely rile people up. He's not saying anything new and is obviously just getting kicks out of posting fud time after time.

[o_e_l_e_o]

There's a difference between someone being a sceptic and someone just being an outright troll who is just posting alarmist threads to purposely rile people up. He's not saying anything new and is obviously just getting kicks out of posting fud time after time.

If, as you say, there isn't the will amongst the staff to outright ban users like freightjoe and btc-room101, then could we have some guidance on reporting their posts? I would never report a solitary post simply for saying something I don't agree with, even if I do think it is just baseless FUD. But when these users post 20 times in under an hour, even when their posts are somewhat on topic, in my opinion it crosses the line from discussion to spamming/trolling. Can we report all their posts when they do go on one of their spamming frenzies?

[Lauda]

Wrong political leanings lead to bad management practices. This has been a known issue for a very long time, and very little has changed ever since people started bringing it up. It's either ignored completely, dismissed as a 'non problem yet' or you're told to "just report it".  

[hilariousetc]

There's a difference between someone being a sceptic and someone just being an outright troll who is just posting alarmist threads to purposely rile people up. He's not saying anything new and is obviously just getting kicks out of posting fud time after time.

If, as you say, there isn't the will amongst the staff to outright ban users like freightjoe and btc-room101, then could we have some guidance on reporting their posts? I would never report a solitary post simply for saying something I don't agree with, even if I do think it is just baseless FUD. But when these users post 20 times in under an hour, even when their posts are somewhat on topic, in my opinion it crosses the line from discussion to spamming/trolling. Can we report all their posts when they do go on one of their spamming frenzies?

Again, it's purely down to opinion of you as a reporter and the mod that handles it. Only Globals and admins can handle reports in Bitcoin Discussion so it's likely going to be down to me, mprep and Rickbig on deciding what to do with them.  They probably won't get marked as bad so will probably just stay in the queue unhandled like they are now. Whether you want to waste time on report them or not if they're not going to be handled is also up to you.

[o_e_l_e_o]

They probably won't get marked as bad so will probably just stay in the queue unhandled like they are now.

Both the users I mentioned go on spamming sprees. You can review their post history and see them posting a new reply every 2-3 minutes for an hour or two at a time. They regularly open 4 or 5 new topics in the space of 20-30 minutes. I know they are posting more than the usual one line spam of "Bitcoin can make great profits if we just have faith and hold then we have a bright future", but they aren't contributing in any meaningful way. They join any and every thread and either claim bitcoin is dead or call everyone else morons. In my opinion, they are obvious trolls, and at the very least their posts should be deleted. Allowing them to continue spamming seems counter-productive to trying to clean up Bitcoin Discussion, especially since their posts are deliberately inflammatory/provocative and always generate a flood of replies.

This post is a good illustration of just insanely ignorant and unaware bitcoin-fans are of economic realities.....

The amount of stupidity on display by Bitcoin believers is infinite.....

If you are still in crypto you either are listening to fools or you are a fool (or both)

On the right track ? On the track to zero it seems

It's game over, but the HODL-ers all think there is a GREATER FOOL, guess what you get holding the bag, your are the greatest fools.

BLOCK-CHAIN gave birth to shit-coin,

There is no utility in Block-Chain other than creating more shit.

Your right, but ETH is a dog. Child Buterin didn't even have pubic-hair when he started ETH dev, surely its a joke that this software is anything than well marketed bullshit.

All coin is shit-coin, nothing good can come out of this ponzi.

Just human misery.

The mother BTC is an old washed out whore, the father 'satoshi' is an NSA ghost, and all the begotten offspring are shit-coins,

[hilariousetc]

They probably won't get marked as bad so will probably just stay in the queue unhandled like they are now.

Both the users I mentioned go on spamming sprees. You can review their post history and see them posting a new reply every 2-3 minutes for an hour or two at a time. They regularly open 4 or 5 new topics in the space of 20-30 minutes. I know they are posting more than the usual one line spam of "Bitcoin can make great profits if we just have faith and hold then we have a bright future", but they aren't contributing in any meaningful way. They join any and every thread and either claim bitcoin is dead or call everyone else morons. In my opinion, they are obvious trolls, and at the very least their posts should be deleted. Allowing them to continue spamming seems counter-productive to trying to clean up Bitcoin Discussion, especially since their posts are deliberately inflammatory/provocative and always generate a flood of replies.

I'm well aware of his behaviour and it's obvious he just logs in to post some fud then leave and his only intent is to kick up a fuss and be disruptive, but if you want an answer of how they should be handled then PM theymos about it. I brought the case up about fud trolls and what to do with them at the beginning of the year and have bumped the thread several times throughout the year looking for an answer but no response from anyone let alone admins so I'll assume it's something we tolerate until I hear differently.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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I appreciate the response. It is just frustrating that there seems to be a general disregard to the state of Bitcoin Discussion, when it should be the cornerstone board of the entire forum. Issues like this one, asking for more mods, changing merit requirements for signatures, etc, are raised on pretty much a weekly basis in Meta, and yet Bitcoin Discussion continues to be a spamfest. We can report all the spammers we want until the cows come home, but without some changes being made at the admin level, that board (and others) will never improve.

[stompix]

Well, here's another masterpiece from the one and only btc-room101

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5081862.0

I tend to report the useless topics and posts made by freightjoe (and they get removed) but when it comes to stuff like this what can you mention in the report?
Drivel, mumbo jumbo, useless topic? It's a mess of everything but still, does it go against Rule nr. 1 ?

Would love to hear from mods like  hilariousandco, do you think this is against the rules? Would you delete this topic?
Just so I and others either report this bs or we simply ignore it, no point in both users and mods wasting their time.

[hilariousetc]

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I appreciate the response. It is just frustrating that there seems to be a general disregard to the state of Bitcoin Discussion, when it should be the cornerstone board of the entire forum. Issues like this one, asking for more mods, changing merit requirements for signatures, etc, are raised on pretty much a weekly basis in Meta, and yet Bitcoin Discussion continues to be a spamfest. We can report all the spammers we want until the cows come home, but without some changes being made at the admin level, that board (and others) will never improve.

I agree with you and share your frustrations, but either theymos would rather there be as much freedom as possible with moderation taking a backseat and intervene as little as possible, or he just doesn't have the time to do anything about it. It's hard to know where he stands sometimes as we rarely get comments from him on issues. Sometimes I just don't know whether he's dead against something and as such doesn't comment on it/ignores it to save him having to do so, or he just doesn't have time to comment or implement these things. Obviously as much freedom as possible with little mod intervention is good, but obviously sometimes there needs to be something done about those who cross the line (both with trolls and spammers) otherwise the forum just becomes a mess and unusable. We could have curbed the sig spam a long time ago and just banned the campaigns who were doing nothing and causing the destruction and they would have probably cleaned their act up pretty fast as this forum is too valuable to them. If we let them get away with doing what they want without repercussion then they will continue to be lazy and greedy and the forum continues circling the drain in the process.