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December 06, 2018, 09:47:35 PM
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Hi, my legendary account "soy" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73590) was banned with this message : ""Sorry soy, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com"". I sent pm to hilarious to understand why and he replied "copy and paste".
However, all my messages are authentic. Can you review my ban, please?

Thanks.

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December 06, 2018, 10:12:02 PM
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Knowing soy from a long time on the french local forum I would be very curious to know about the incriminating post as well.

I hope someone can oblige. I couldn't find anything by myself.

I feel sorry about you Soy.

Banned or not you are a strong member of our community and I hope this can be resolved.

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December 07, 2018, 12:35:05 AM
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2012 account banned? wow this is an old account.

Very Sad to see another legend get canned.

I am interested to see what happened here.

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December 07, 2018, 12:49:07 AM
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No both serves different purpose and bitcoin can't make bank disappear because old guys depends totally on bank for financial matter but icky some of the teens like me depends on bitcoin for earning so we 1 and 2 people can't make the change. Even bitcoin is not accepted by all government and for transaction to those countries will need bank transfer.

No both serves different purpose and bitcoin can't make bank disappear because old guys depends totally on bank for financial matter but icky some of the teens like me depends on bitcoin for earning so we 1 and 2 people can't make the change. Even bitcoin is not accepted by all government and for transaction to those countries will need bank transfer.



2012 account banned? wow this is an old account.

Very Sad to see another legend get canned.

I am interested to see what happened here.

Will you stop with this nonsense. These are not "legends", they're shitposters who happened to register before the merit system or bought or hacked those accounts.

You said you'll have a plan to solve this... whatever problem you thought needed solving. Where is the plan?

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December 07, 2018, 01:00:28 AM
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I think what such,Lon posted is incriminating enough.

@soy, since you don’t know why you were banned and haven’t found it, I’m guessing your account wasn’t hacked as you’d have gone with that.

Time to pack up and leave the old account behind I guess... there’s not really any other option.

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December 07, 2018, 01:06:39 AM
Last edit: December 07, 2018, 01:41:38 AM by cryptohunter
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No both serves different purpose and bitcoin can't make bank disappear because old guys depends totally on bank for financial matter but icky some of the teens like me depends on bitcoin for earning so we 1 and 2 people can't make the change. Even bitcoin is not accepted by all government and for transaction to those countries will need bank transfer.

No both serves different purpose and bitcoin can't make bank disappear because old guys depends totally on bank for financial matter but icky some of the teens like me depends on bitcoin for earning so we 1 and 2 people can't make the change. Even bitcoin is not accepted by all government and for transaction to those countries will need bank transfer.



2012 account banned? wow this is an old account.

Very Sad to see another legend get canned.

I am interested to see what happened here.

Will you stop with this nonsense. These are not "legends", they're shitposters who happened to register before the merit system or bought or hacked those accounts.

You said you'll have a plan to solve this... whatever problem you thought needed solving. Where is the plan?

Will you stop stalking me. You are very creepy. Also stop using my prior art in your avatar because I could have you banned for copy and paste with far more legitimacy than some that are getting accused of this nonsense.

Now to address your points.

Merit = nothing but back slapping circle jerk membership, it is an insiders club, of a group of individuals lurking in meta... so to tell me legends are not legends due to not having been in this insiders club hiding in meta for the last year is already laughable.

Legends are people here that have achieved HUGE things like busting open huge scams or helping investors find great projects from amongst the junk and scams. Standing up to bullies and scam enablers. These are legends.

Stop equating merit to anything other than being a tool to hold back bots and spammers.

I do not think it at all unreasonable for a member from 2012 to see exactly which posts got his account banned. This is not nonsense.

If he has done it a few times and this all looks to be financially motivated then sure let's wave him goodbye but let's at least see why he is banned. I don't see any reason he should be ignored after 6 yrs.

All legends/heros deserve to have a review at least to make sure the ban is justified.

We want rid of plagiarist who are ruining the board and are net negative but let's make sure they fit this category.

Having seen the evidence now though  it looks bad for him. Why even copy and paste this junk.

I won't be arguing further for this specific case but what a stupid copy and paste to lose your account over. Can't imagine why such an old member would even copy and paste such a load of rubbish.

Also regarding my idea to stop legends getting banned over this if they are not really net negative was for them (if they are confident) to pay 0.1btc or more depending on the size of their post history to have it reviewed.

I was just trying to figure out the best way to do that.

I guess you could perhaps do something like this.

Let's take a 10k post history account.

0.25btc to run it all through some copy and paste checker against google....whilst the reviewer has a general read of the quality of posts (not in huge detail)

reviewer will then publish his report and receive the 0.25btc  2 weeks later.  If the account exceeds the 1 in 1000 gets banned.

If the account is under the 1 in 1000 then

In that 2 week interval the first (different) person to find additional copy and paste will claim 0.125 btc ( of the 0.25 btc) if 1st reviewer has missed any ensuring first review needs to be accurate.  If they find more than 5 more examples they get the full amount.

This I have not given huge amounts of time to consider and actually I am not an expert at this game theory type stuff so perhaps that can easily be gamed somehow.

So the smarter people here can improve upon this or come up with something much better. This is just a suggestion.

Of course if you are a legend and you know you are not net positive then best not to waste your 0.25 or greater.  Even if you are found to be net positive and below the 1 in 1000 copy and paste you still lose your 0.25 for doing it at all  If you are not willing to pay 0.25btc to keep your legend account you obviously are not too worried about it.

I don't think copy and pasting guides should count. I don't think copy and pasting news in the correct thread or announcements should count. If you are trying to be helpful and the work is obviously not your original work and you were obviously not claiming it was that is not an attempt at plagiarism.

I am not a trouble maker as some have said I just like to see this great forum keep as it was years ago when people could be fair and reasonable. I have only seen 2 cases of unreasonable behaviour toward copy and pasters so it is not like I think none of them should be banned but even 1 person banned for trying to help someone else and for no personal gain is not in the spirit of this board.

To be fair to you (if you are the reporter which I am guessing you must be because you seem to know exactly which posts got them banned) it seems you have no as yet clearly caused anyone innocent to get banned. However to tell me it is nonsense for them to ask for the offending post to be revealed is not at all how it should work.  The evidence should be shown if requested. I mean you could save time if you sent them the offending post when they are banned so they need not come here and claim all their own posts are original.




 


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December 07, 2018, 01:38:36 AM
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Will you stop stalking me. You are very creepy.

Don't flatter yourself. Keep your "legend" whining out of these appeal threads and you won't have to worry about this imaginary "stalking". Let moderators or whoever has evidence reply before making a fool of yourself.

Also stop using my prior art in your avatar because I could have you banned for cpy and paste with far more legitimacy that some that are getting accused of this nonsense.

Put on your Nikes and just do it.

Legends are people here that have achieved HUGE things like busting open huge scams or helping investors find great projects from amongst the junk and scams. Standing up to bullies and scam enablers. These are legends.

Saying so doesn't make it so. You're not looking into any of that, you just see a Legendary title and you start whining how sad it is. Just stay out if you got nothing to say on the actual subject of the ban.

Stop equating merit to anything other than being a tool to hold back bots and spammers.

Exactly the point. These pre-merit "legends" can be egregious spammers (and most are). You can masturbate to their titles in private but when you do it publicly expect to be ridiculed.

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December 07, 2018, 02:00:02 AM
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Will you stop stalking me. You are very creepy.

Don't flatter yourself. Keep your "legend" whining out of these appeal threads and you won't have to worry about this imaginary "stalking". Let moderators or whoever has evidence reply before making a fool of yourself.

Also stop using my prior art in your avatar because I could have you banned for cpy and paste with far more legitimacy that some that are getting accused of this nonsense.

Put on your Nikes and just do it.

Legends are people here that have achieved HUGE things like busting open huge scams or helping investors find great projects from amongst the junk and scams. Standing up to bullies and scam enablers. These are legends.

Saying so doesn't make it so. You're not looking into any of that, you just see a Legendary title and you start whining how sad it is. Just stay out if you got nothing to say on the actual subject of the ban.

Stop equating merit to anything other than being a tool to hold back bots and spammers.

Exactly the point. These pre-merit "legends" can be egregious spammers (and most are). You can masturbate to their titles in private but when you do it publicly expect to be ridiculed.


Says you whilst busy whacking off over your merits telling yourself "there can be only one" real legend.

"whining" ?  well that thread has been here several hours and you did not come forward and show the guy the evidence until I appear and say that he deserves to see it?  This is whining?? asking for evidence?

I have something to say on the subject - show him why he was banned in detail.  You have shown and I have said it looks bad. I don't expect someone who would copy and paste that bunch of crap to put forth further protest.

LOL "most pre merit legends are spammers " ??  please be serious. The real legends are mostly all pre merit.

Expect ridicule from you?  Please noob stop trying to sound self important again. You could have never have joined and nothing major would be any different. You are helping as you can which I commend and appreciate. Be satisfied with that because some people here have made huge differences and they still don't take your self important tone.






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December 07, 2018, 02:20:12 AM
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LOL "most pre merit legends are spammers " ??  please be serious. The real legends are mostly all pre merit.

I am serious. All that was needed to become a Legendary was to keep posting for 2-3 years. There is nothing special about that title. This thread (and many others like it) proves that.

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December 07, 2018, 02:42:38 AM
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LOL "most pre merit legends are spammers " ??  please be serious. The real legends are mostly all pre merit.

I am serious. All that was needed to become a Legendary was to keep posting for 2-3 years. There is nothing special about that title. This thread (and many others like it) proves that.

"most"  - you are being serious??  

If you had said a few or some but "most" is ludicrous. Nobody is going to believe "most" pre merit system legends are spammers.

I would not think any but a few bought legend accounts are real financially motivated plagiarists or spammers.




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December 07, 2018, 02:59:45 AM
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Legends are people here that have achieved HUGE things like busting open huge scams or helping investors find great projects from amongst the junk and scams. Standing up to bullies and scam enablers. These are legends.
So this guy Soy was a legend who did any or all of these things?  Guess I must've missed it.

Having seen the evidence now though  it looks bad for him. Why even copy and paste this junk.

I won't be arguing further for this specific case but what a stupid copy and paste to lose your account over. Can't imagine why such an old member would even copy and paste such a load of rubbish.
I can't either, but it seems like a lot of people are taking the lazy way out as far as posting things, likely in languages they don't fully have a grasp on.  An older member ought to know by now not to do this, and it's not like the offense that was cited here was all that long ago.  It was at the beginning of 2018.

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December 07, 2018, 03:10:11 AM
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Sorry about this, I have the same problem with my account from 2013. This is my thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5078445.0

I was banned because "sending personal messages". I was looking for some devs and I replied to 3/4 of them with the same answer, that´s why I received a ban. After that, I contacted theymos 1 month ago and some admins via pm but noone reply and the mods don´t have idea about how to resolve this.

It is very frustrating for a forum like bitcointalk, I think someone should take care about this.
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December 07, 2018, 03:18:58 AM
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"most"  - you are being serious??  

If you had said a few or some but "most" is ludicrous. Nobody is going to believe "most" pre merit system legends are spammers.

I would not think any but a few bought legend accounts are real financially motivated plagiarists or spammers.

More Legendaries are caught plagiarizing in a single month than the total number of users who attained Legendary status in the last 10 months. Think about that for a few minutes.

And that's just the ones who are caught breaking the rules in the most blatant way. Visit a few hundred megathreads and let us know how "few" Legendaries you find posting inane garbage.

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Hi, my legendary account "soy" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=73590) was banned [...]
I sent pm to hilarious to understand why and he replied "copy and paste".
However, all my messages are authentic.

Nonsense. Have you forgot that one day you've plagiarized a few messages? I believe that it was done by you intentionally to increase your post count.



Copy:
The best for me is that you have not to trust anyone, that you can transfer funds worldwide and that you can join the system without registering anywhere. If you want more opinions, just tell me.
Original:
The best for me is that you have not to trust anyone, that you can transfer funds worldwide and that you can join the system without registering anywhere. If you want more opinions, just tell me.

Copy:
I think advertising bitcoin in the television is a good idea but the thing is because its a digital money or cryptocurrency, I think the government will not allow it because they are backing up the traditional money that we are using.
Original:
I think advertising bitcoin in the television is a good idea but the thing is because its a digital money or cryptocurrency, I think the government will not allow it because they are backing up the traditional money that we are using.

Copy:
For me, I can convince some people about bitcoin by showing them the things I can do with my bitcoin. The things that I bought and the extra income that I obtain. I know that by showing them what kind of things that I have they will be willing to learn how much that I earn, by that moment, I will realize that person has an interest in bitcoin.
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For me, I can convince some people about bitcoin by showing them the things I can do with my bitcoin. The things that I bought and the extra income that I obtain. I know that by showing them what kind of things that I have they will be willing to learn how much that I earn, by that moment, I will realize that person has an interest in bitcoin. Having an interest in bitcoin, it will push the person to know some details about it, and I can just convince him to explore the bitcoin world. 

Copy:
Investing is not always profitable. We can not expect that turn all money in Bitcoin will be profitable, very risky if all the money in use for Bitcoin.That's not true even we do not know whether this Bitcoin will remain popular or not and also Bitcoin value is always not stable sometimes down sometimes up too.
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Investing is not always profitable. We can not expect that turn all money in Bitcoin will be profitable, very risky if all the money in use for Bitcoin.That's not true even we do not know whether this Bitcoin will remain popular or not and also Bitcoin value is always not stable sometimes down sometimes up too.


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December 07, 2018, 01:01:09 PM
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"most"  - you are being serious??  

If you had said a few or some but "most" is ludicrous. Nobody is going to believe "most" pre merit system legends are spammers.

I would not think any but a few bought legend accounts are real financially motivated plagiarists or spammers.

More Legendaries are caught plagiarizing in a single month than the total number of users who attained Legendary status in the last 10 months. Think about that for a few minutes.

And that's just the ones who are caught breaking the rules in the most blatant way. Visit a few hundred megathreads and let us know how "few" Legendaries you find posting inane garbage.

I would expect most legends on these mega threads and spamming sigs are not the original account holders. No  legit legend account is going to need be begging for scraps. Most legit legends either 1/ does not bother with sigs or 2/ promotes only the projects they believe in or support the person who launched it. Even if there are some real legends who have avoided somehow becoming wealthy on here they would hopefully be making a lot of great posts for every post on an airdrop of begging thread.  Turn off sigs on the alt discussion board and watch the quality rise. ANN threads for the most part are self moderated because communities are quick to notice new shitposters or bots. Only the alt discussion board seems to attract lots of fake conversations and only just above obvious bot level posts.

I will not at all accept "most" pre merit legends are spammers. I would expect the rate of legends being demonstrated as real bad eggs like this account will shrink drastically over time.

So far I see 2 people wrongly accused but those were not actually legend accounts.

Still any legend should be shown why they were banned. This person has zero chance now of being reinstated and that is his own fault. Must be a purchased account.



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December 07, 2018, 01:05:49 PM
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Must be a purchased account.

It's actually not.
But yes it is his fault and he has accepted to take responsibility.
Continuing to flame on it has 0 added value. The question being answered this thread has no further purpose.

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December 07, 2018, 01:24:18 PM
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Must be a purchased account.
It's actually not.

How do you know that? Posts made from 2013 to mid-2017 are primarily in Hardware and Mining with zero posts in French.

I agree with cryptohunter, account is either hacked or purchased. Well, he can prove us wrong by signing a message from this address:

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December 07, 2018, 01:26:03 PM
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Must be a purchased account.
It's actually not.

How do you know that? Posts made from 2013 to mid-2017 are primarily in Hardware and Mining with zero posts in French.

I agree with cryptohunter, account is either hacked or purchased. Well, he can prove us wrong by signing a message from this address:

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My bad, I might have spoken too fast.

What I meant to say is that the account didn't change hands shortly before these spam posts, and until now.

I haven't known the owner long enough to extend this to 2013.

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December 07, 2018, 01:44:12 PM
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Must be a purchased account.
It's actually not.

How do you know that? Posts made from 2013 to mid-2017 are primarily in Hardware and Mining with zero posts in French.

I agree with cryptohunter, account is either hacked or purchased. Well, he can prove us wrong by signing a message from this address:

soy, 3, 0.54, 1MNFGC5yp3JFCmuA6S1LUBoHG5bFuqTszE

Is there a point to this? Hacked or not, the account is banned meaning a plagiarist is gone from the forum.

I don’t know why the topic of conversation didn’t turn to whether copy and pasting one post is enough to ban someone or not with so much activity. But nonetheless it might prove the account has been hacked,

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December 07, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
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Must be a purchased account.
It's actually not.

How do you know that? Posts made from 2013 to mid-2017 are primarily in Hardware and Mining with zero posts in French.

I agree with cryptohunter, account is either hacked or purchased. Well, he can prove us wrong by signing a message from this address:

soy, 3, 0.54, 1MNFGC5yp3JFCmuA6S1LUBoHG5bFuqTszE

Is there a point to this? Hacked or not, the account is banned meaning a plagiarist is gone from the forum.

I don’t know why the topic of conversation didn’t turn to whether copy and pasting one post is enough to ban someone or not with so much activity. But nonetheless it might prove the account has been hacked,

Are you suggesting that if you have more activity the rules shouldn't be as strictly applied?
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