Ideas for topic ordering in altcoin announcements?

[rat03gopoh]

3. Sort by topic score descending, and secondarily by the usual last post time.

Hello,,
Why don't you randomly choose to your own score sources for the ANN Altcoins board. You can choose from some DT members, merit sources, members who often carry out investigations / reports against scam ICOs or whoever you think is appropriate. Of course you have to choose them in secret and (optional)do that together with your trust team/members. So they(score sources) were chosen without their knowing it.

And to make it more perfect, the score will be obtained automatically when the score source makes a post (only the first post is worth the highest score for each source score, for next the score is smaller than previously) and the score should be counted every 24 hours or weekly(if not possible to collect more scores fastly) according to when the post was made.

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[o_e_l_e_o]

Maybe it'd give certain users overwhelming influence, though.

You could easily get past this by setting a cap per user - e.g. max of 50 points (or any other number) added to the score per user. A user with 511 earned merit adds 50 points, a user with 1000 earned merit adds 50 points. I think it would be worth setting a lower cap too - anything below 10 earned merits doesn't count, which would have a similar effect to stopping posts from anyone below Member rank from bumping the thread.

Any system involving the average score will simply result in botnets being paid to spam competitors' threads and therefore decrease their average score. Similarly, anything involving reports will result in either mass reporting of competitors' threads, or even spamming of competitors' threads with trash for the sole reason of reporting these posts. Either way, far too much additional work for the mods.

[Locotoni]

if problem is Huge number of posts + replys  in Altcoin / bounty

i think you can make new sistem, for example :

1 - max reply in day will 10 (10 post is normal for share and resive information)
2 - make different with verified users, for example with KYC.

here is a lot of connected users, i think if forum will be with KYC, many spamer and fake users will be blocked.

and this problem will be solved.

[eddie13]

KYC

[coinlocket$]

1 - max reply in day will 10 (10 post is normal for share and resive information)

So if I post 10 posts on your thread with one shitalt your ANN will be locked for 24 hours?

[Locotoni]

1 - max reply in day will 10 (10 post is normal for share and resive information)

So if I post 10 posts on your thread with one shitalt your ANN will be locked for 24 hours?

no. if you will reply with your profile - 10 more. you will be offline next 24 hours.

[suchmoon]

no. if you will reply with your profile - 10 more. you will be offline next 24 hours.

Spammers would just create hundreds of non-KYC accounts like they already do with the newbies shitbumping the threads.

[stompix]

Nice that you're finally talking seriously about this problem and you intend to act but I think it's simply to complicated. And when things get complicated there are more ways in which the system gets abused and cheaters bypass it.

Rather than implementing all this, why not try simpler solutions as hilariousetc, suchmoon or Loycev have said.

- make the topics bumpable once in an interval, not once a day, this sounds too much, but maybe 8/6/4 hours?
- make so that only users who have earned 1 merit (in the last 30 days!!, to deny merit farmers) can bump a topic

Or we could go to an extreme solution!
- bump the topic only when a merit has been awarded in that topic

[tmfp]

"Announcements" are traditionally a piece of news about a time sensitive event;

a notice appearing in a newspaper or public place and announcing something such as a birth, death, or marriage.

Just list them in date order of the original post, not by popularity or most recent addition. Bumping becomes irrelevant.
Anyone seriously interested in a particular scheme can watch it or find it thru search.

[coinlocket$]

no. if you will reply with your profile - 10 more. you will be offline next 24 hours.

Some users have 1000+ accounts.

- bump the topic only when a merit has been awarded in that topic

This will transform merit in a thing used by spammers to bumping threads and used on not valuable posts, but will have a good side, those spammers will lose the airdropped merit.

[suchmoon]

- bump the topic only when a merit has been awarded in that topic

This sounds lovely.

Just list them in date order of the original post, not by popularity or most recent addition. Bumping becomes irrelevant.

This might encourage creating new threads so more work for mods trying to weed out duplicates.

[Locotoni]

no. if you will reply with your profile - 10 more. you will be offline next 24 hours.

Spammers would just create hundreds of non-KYC accounts like they already do with the newbies shitbumping the threads.

we cant solve problem about newbie registrations, becouse i think forum is for newcomers to.

and i know KYC is not popular and best way. but KYC is way for broke this problems.

without kyc - i think about  new way.

now on bounty threads, bounty and airdrop managers want Quote, becous if some person make new quote - (reply) post will go in TOP, and can find new people for bounty and airdrop. if new reply couldnot UP thread, i think it will be better.

[tmfp]

Just list them in date order of the original post, not by popularity or most recent addition. Bumping becomes irrelevant.

This might encourage creating new threads so more work for mods trying to weed out duplicates.

A lot less work in the long run as it removes a huge incentive to spam. The mod just moves any duplicates to the original thread or trashes them.

[stompix]

KYC ....... KYC ............ kyc

I don't know what's worse, mentioning KYC three times for the third time or having this in your signature:



 

[Lafu]

What are your ideas for new ordering methods?

If a Thread has more then 2 or 4 exactly the same messages like copy and paste (plagiarism)  the thread get locked by the system !

Or if the Thread last 5 posts only "Good Projekt"  the thread gets automatically sorted out and reported to the Mods !

But guess this is a way to much to implement this !

[r1s2g3]

I suggest bump of topic only happen when somebody who had earned 5 merits in last six month reply on it. It will take power of bumping from those people who got mass chunk in one go and are suspected merit abuser.

If feasible, I will like anti bump button for the users so that they can reply on topic without bumping it.
Anti bump button will be useful when you like to post warnings in thread (so user who are tracking it will read it) but it will not be bumped because bumping might attract lot of shitposter and warning you put in thread will be lost between in that shitposts.


Edit: Another Approach.
Just like source merit, we can have bump merits. Whoever has rank greater than member will get 5 bump merits in a day (if user do not use them then it will expire, so next day its total will be 5 , not more than 5). User will use their bump merit to bump the thread (by default , 1 bump merit is used in each reply unless user decline to use bump merit or already ran out of his bump merits.

[vit05]

Any change that uses algorithms to determine an order may eventually be gamified by the users. And since the speed of changes in anything that involves the forum code is very slow, I do not believe that it will be the best solution if there is not a planning to constantly update the algorithm.

[suchmoon]

Whoever has rank greater than member will get 5 bump merits in a day

A system that automatically gives you something for nothing will likely get abused by alts.

Using the existing merits sounds like a better approach.

[Welsh]

If a Thread has more then 2 or 4 exactly the same messages like copy and paste (plagiarism)  the thread get locked by the system !

Or if the Thread last 5 posts only "Good Projekt"  the thread gets automatically sorted out and reported to the Mods !

But guess this is a way to much to implement this !

This could be interesting. However, the bot would need to be able to filter out quotes if this was to be implemented. However, I already know what they'll do to work around it. They are likely to lazy to think of new phrases, but will just post random letters at the end of the reply or something annoying like that. The thing is the users behind the bumping are well aware of how the forum works, and any system which is implemented will likely be abused. The objective is to introduce something that as the least impact on the users, and the least impact if abused.

[cryptohunter]

I prefer models where everyone has the same opportunity to be heard according to fair analysis of their real value.

Since that is impossible to implement short of having AI review every post and mark it against strict complex criteria (same for everyone) then we can try to filter the merit scores as we have them now.

I would cap merit weight at 150-200 earned merits (*nobody to me has fairly earned more than this these numbers are not purely guess work and come from light analysis of the merit system ) this can be increased gradually and sensibly over time so that merit scores have semblance of useful representation of the value of the member. This although does not take into account all those good posts drown out by the spammers on their fav parts of the forum it does a good job balancing things for a quick fix.

If we really want to start attributing weight to merit though there would need really to be a complete overhaul to make it a fairer system that is far more objective and gave a similar chance of review for all posts. Either that or work out some good filters and caps.

I actually believe a safer way is to weight  both merit (capped or overhauled) and activity.

* by fair i mean that given from where we started with merit it was impossible to give the same opportunity to all posters regardless of which board they post on due to dilution by spam. I also do believe a few do not treat the merit system exactly as it was intended to be used.