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December 13, 2018, 02:54:51 PM
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I totally agree with the you that the mods here can't be expected to review the entire post histories.

However do you think.

1. some form of paid (by offender) review should be available to run their entire histroy through a checker?
2. have some sort of reduced sentence like no more sigs for a year or ever or reduced in rank by 2 levels for single stupid infraction like this one or perhaps a 1 in 1000 rate of instance where the person is still clearly a net positive and not a complete waste of space financially motivated spammer? I mean real members who just want to remain will probably not care too much about losing a sig for a year but to lose their entire post history (especially legends) must be quite terrible and in some cases could destroy important histroy.

 




People won't pay anything if they know what they've done wrong. They're just going to be throwing their money away. As I said before, they only complain and play dumb about what they've done because it's their only hope of getting their account back and the is a last ditch attempt to try do so. If we started asking for payment for review then 99% just won't bother or would shut up as soon as you gave them that option.

As for number two, I'd be for signature bans instead of outright bans for spammers/plagiarism, but only theymos can implement them so it's him you'll have to convince. With that being said, a signature ban is as good as a ban to 99% of people who get caught plagiarising so in most instances they'll still complain about that and probably won't have any interest in contributing here if they can't get paid for it.

friend I do agree on my mistake and really feel sad for that also. But if you count one post in 400-500 post dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)?
With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality.

I know you guys as a moderators have a pretty tough job to keep forum clean and taking such decision helps you to reach final outcome faster and easier but sometime a regular forum poster losses much with that single decision.
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December 13, 2018, 03:10:58 PM
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dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)?
With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality.

The forum rules are actually very lenient and not as stringent as it maybe should be, considering the influx of spammers and bots. But the issue of pliagarism is a perculiar case, and there is no second chance, or reprieve, especially when the violation was made in a bid to get a reward. Theymos already discussed this issue;

...Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)

If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts...

There is no hope of getting your account back.
And new accounts created by you and posting outside this thread would be tagged for Ban evasion and banned as well.
You can still read and learn from the forum
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December 13, 2018, 03:20:47 PM
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dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)?
With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality.

The forum rules are actually very lenient and not as stringent as it maybe should be, considering the influx of spammers and bots. But the issue of pliagarism is a perculiar case, and there is no second chance, or reprieve, especially when the violation was made in a bid to get a reward. Theymos already discussed this issue;

...Plagiarism is what gets people permabanned, not just copying. Plagiarism is copying with the intent of passing the work off as your own. In essentially all cases, plagiarism deserves a permaban because it usually proves definitively that the person is here for the wrong reasons: to fill up space in order to get paid, not to actually discuss or contribute. If someone was able to convince us that they were plagiarizing just to eg. impress people rather than to fill up space, then a lesser ban of a few months might instead be warranted. But this has never happened AFAICR. (Arguments based on plausible deniability aren't going to work; we don't need to prove that you had the motive we see in your actions.)

If you treat posting as a job, a chore, then you must live in fear, since the forum is not made for you. In this case, you need to blend in as someone who actually cares, but plagiarism will immediately out you, and producing a mountain of useless posts will also eventually be noticed, if more slowly. If you do actually care, then this will be obvious in your posts (and probably your merit score), and you will have nothing to fear from moderators; even allegations of plagiarism will be doubted when seen in the context of your other posts...

There is no hope of getting your account back.
And new accounts created by you and posting outside this thread would be tagged for Ban evasion and banned as well.
You can still read and learn from the forum

Plagiarism is surely a big offense but I did that in case for an Airdrop purpose, just to qualify for that airdrop(which is never received anyway)
It was nothing to pass on other work as mine that would affect that persons prestige or degrades his member quality.


And with no hope to get account back there should atleast be another way for offenders doing such things rarely. Its like I have done a crime of killing someone where the only decision is I have to Hang myself and nothing could be done Sad
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December 13, 2018, 03:32:04 PM
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1. some form of paid (by offender) review should be available to run their entire histroy through a checker

As someone who is regularly busting plagiarizers, if you know of a checker that is super accurate and can check tons of posts at once, please let me know.

My experience of online checkers is that they accept 500-1000 words at once, their accuracy is sporadic at best, they are easily fooled by a couple of changed characters, words, or punctuation, and you have to complete 10 captchas for each search. Now, I appreciate I am talking about free checkers here and you may be envisioning using a paid service, but the limitations are the same. Lots of plagiarism will only be found through manual checking to identify text-spinning or changed words as well as posts that have been run through an auto-translator. There is simply not enough time or energy to manually review hundreds or thousands of posts per case.

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December 13, 2018, 04:11:30 PM
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Plagiarism is surely a big offense but I did that in case for an Airdrop purpose, just to qualify for that airdrop(which is never received anyway)
It was nothing to pass on other work as mine that would affect that persons prestige or degrades his member quality.

As it pertains to the forum, the bigger problem is not the harm to the original author but the fact that you're an egregious shitposter who can't even be bothered to type your own words. This is a discussion forum, not "post any garbage to get paid" forum.

And with no hope to get account back there should atleast be another way for offenders doing such things rarely. Its like I have done a crime of killing someone where the only decision is I have to Hang myself and nothing could be done Sad

Spare us the drama. At most this is the equivalent of getting fired from a job for failing horribly at said job.

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December 13, 2018, 04:22:54 PM
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1. some form of paid (by offender) review should be available to run their entire histroy through a checker

As someone who is regularly busting plagiarizers, if you know of a checker that is super accurate and can check tons of posts at once, please let me know.

My experience of online checkers is that they accept 500-1000 words at once, their accuracy is sporadic at best, they are easily fooled by a couple of changed characters, words, or punctuation, and you have to complete 10 captchas for each search. Now, I appreciate I am talking about free checkers here and you may be envisioning using a paid service, but the limitations are the same. Lots of plagiarism will only be found through manual checking to identify text-spinning or changed words as well as posts that have been run through an auto-translator. There is simply not enough time or energy to manually review hundreds or thousands of posts per case.

I agree with you. I expect5 that there is a lot of money waiting for someone if they could produce such software and the forum agrees to a 0.25btc review or greater depending on amount of posts.

Also i feel with a perm sig ban this would work just like a perm ban if they are really only here for the money and to spam.

I think it should be auto sig perm ban because real enthusiasts (which they claim to be) will not give a shit about that. It is the loss of their posts real enthusiasts will consider the biggest issue.  

They can pay 0.25btc maybe or greater for full review if they want that cut down to a 6 month sig ban (if only 1 in 1000 ration is found) and if too much is found then full perm ban.


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December 14, 2018, 10:54:35 AM
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friend I do agree on my mistake and really feel sad for that also. But if you count one post in 400-500 post dont you think I am not a chronic spammer who should receive such treatment(directly permanent ban)?
With Temporary ban also I get a final warning that I should be careful enough to avoid such posting. If at all I get chance I will surely go back through my back dated post and delete everything which is of low quality.

I know you guys as a moderators have a pretty tough job to keep forum clean and taking such decision helps you to reach final outcome faster and easier but sometime a regular forum poster losses much with that single decision.


I have no idea whether it's one post or numerous but it's not something I'm going to waste time on verifying or not. Usually there's more than just the one and all that usually happens is I waste time painstakingly checking for more because the person lied hoping that the one is all we'd find. Regardless, one post is all you need to be banned. I'm not going to unban anyone for this unless it was a mistake on the mod's part or the rules around banning change as it's not fair to everyone else and just causes more problems as everyone else will then want the same leniency. You can try petition the admin's to either change the rules or unban you if you wish but it'll likely be futile.

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December 14, 2018, 11:30:46 PM
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I totally agree with the you that the mods here can't be expected to review the entire post histories.

However do you think.

1. some form of paid (by offender) review should be available to run their entire histroy through a checker?
2. have some sort of reduced sentence like no more sigs for a year or ever or reduced in rank by 2 levels for single stupid infraction like this one or perhaps a 1 in 1000 rate of instance where the person is still clearly a net positive and not a complete waste of space financially motivated spammer? I mean real members who just want to remain will probably not care too much about losing a sig for a year but to lose their entire post history (especially legends) must be quite terrible and in some cases could destroy important histroy.

 




People won't pay anything if they know what they've done wrong. They're just going to be throwing their money away. As I said before, they only complain and play dumb about what they've done because it's their only hope of getting their account back and the is a last ditch attempt to try do so. If we started asking for payment for review then 99% just won't bother or would shut up as soon as you gave them that option.

As for number two, I'd be for signature bans instead of outright bans for spammers/plagiarism, but only theymos can implement them so it's him you'll have to convince. With that being said, a signature ban is as good as a ban to 99% of people who get caught plagiarising so in most instances they'll still complain about that and probably won't have any interest in contributing here if they can't get paid for it.


I didn't see you had replied to this. It must have gone to the next page before I realised.

So yes I agree with this.. so could be a great option. We find one copy and paste (not just like a helpful guide or film quote for a joke)
Then there is 2 options. Pay 0.1btc  or 0.25btc or or more depending on post history size for a full review to ascertain over all quality and rate of incidence. If exceeding the 1.1000 threshold the ban stands on perm. If it is less then they can have a 3 month or 6 month sig ban but stay members.

Well if they are not really enthusiasts and only here to sig spam with no other interest then perhaps there is no real need for them to remain.

I think some smart person on this board who is familiar with game theory could create a very good system that would one get rid of spammer and the net negative and give suitable punishment to those that are net positive but got lazy or even perhaps a little greedy at odd intervals.



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December 15, 2018, 05:48:02 AM
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Yes i agreed, Permanently banned means everything...Ban appeal are very much looked into if you can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that your not guilty as charged then your ban can be lifted
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You can always use this excuse:

"I didn't copy that post! It was Aaryan1234 who edited his post with my words, you can't see it because post was edited within 5 minutes. Ban him not me!"

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