UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 Prediction and Info Thread

[bbc.reporter]

They all mostly used to take ped's.  But not anymore.  

Not sure this is the right place to debate about this but peds are present in every professional sport.
Tennis players, runners, boxers, fighters, soccer players... all pro athletes take enhancement drugs.
Why ? Money, fame, glory... and because all others do. The same reason reason Chris Hemsworth does it before every Thor movie.
Remember that day Tyson bit Holyfield's ear ? He took something before that fight that made him go crazy. Well, all mma fighters take that specific drug before getting in the cage.  
They need drugs to get fit, drugs to get strong, drugs to heal faster, drugs to have more stamina and drugs to be enraged.
It's easy to do and easy not to get caught.

I reckon it has not been as easy to do with USADA around.

Also, there will be athletes who will be caught up from their doping days similar to what occured to Lance Armstrong.

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[Kemarit]

@Kemrait. What is phased?

I mean pace himself, LOL. Perhaps I forgot to take my daily dose of insulin when I replied. 

@Hydrogen. Jon Jones also has improved his boxing. I reckon the biggest difference between his fights from before and the fight next week will be his hands. They will be faster, stronger and they will hit their targets.

My prediction is a doctor's stoppage on the 5th round because Alexander Gustaffson's eyes are closed shut courtesy of Jon Jones' boxing hehehe.

I agree, but the whole scenario change again when Jones tested positive and I'm sure that his legacy will be tainted even if he win the rematch. Anyways, it was reported that the substance has no performing enhancing qualities,

According to USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, an “extremely low” amount of the prohibited substance 4-chloro-18-nor-17β-hydroxymethyl,17α-methyl-5α-androst-13-en-3α-ol (M3) was found in Jones’ system from an out-of-competition sample collected in early December. It was the same substance Jones tested positive for in July 2017 and USADA and CSAC, citing scientists, have said that it’s a long-term metabolite and Jones has already been sanctioned for this particular substance. The metabolite has no performance-enhancing qualities, Foster said, citing scientists and Dr. Daniel Eichner, the lab director at WADA-accredited SMRTL in Salt Lake City.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/12/24/18155298/jon-jones-agrees-to-vada-drug-testing-ahead-of-ufc-232

[gabmen]

@Kemrait. What is phased?

I mean pace himself, LOL. Perhaps I forgot to take my daily dose of insulin when I replied. 

@Hydrogen. Jon Jones also has improved his boxing. I reckon the biggest difference between his fights from before and the fight next week will be his hands. They will be faster, stronger and they will hit their targets.

My prediction is a doctor's stoppage on the 5th round because Alexander Gustaffson's eyes are closed shut courtesy of Jon Jones' boxing hehehe.

I agree, but the whole scenario change again when Jones tested positive and I'm sure that his legacy will be tainted even if he win the rematch. Anyways, it was reported that the substance has no performing enhancing qualities,

According to USADA, the UFC’s anti-doping partner, an “extremely low” amount of the prohibited substance 4-chloro-18-nor-17β-hydroxymethyl,17α-methyl-5α-androst-13-en-3α-ol (M3) was found in Jones’ system from an out-of-competition sample collected in early December. It was the same substance Jones tested positive for in July 2017 and USADA and CSAC, citing scientists, have said that it’s a long-term metabolite and Jones has already been sanctioned for this particular substance. The metabolite has no performance-enhancing qualities, Foster said, citing scientists and Dr. Daniel Eichner, the lab director at WADA-accredited SMRTL in Salt Lake City.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/12/24/18155298/jon-jones-agrees-to-vada-drug-testing-ahead-of-ufc-232

Well regardless whether it's performance enhancing or not, it already tarnished what seemed to be a legendary career. Jon jones is a onr of a kind fighter let's all admit it. The kind of like anderson silva in his prime. But these issues with peds dragged the guys career pretty low.

[tokeweed]

Does anybody else feel the event is now less anticipated than it was a couple months ago?  I didn't even watch the promo vids and haven't been checking the line movements as much.

I think Jon Jones is def juicing with the UFC is covering it up...

[Kemarit]

Does anybody else feel the event is now less anticipated than it was a couple months ago?  I didn't even watch the promo vids and haven't been checking the line movements as much.

I think Jon Jones is def juicing with the UFC is covering it up...

Agree. All the hype around this fight has died down a little with all this juicing accusations. I already have some P2P bet on Jones in my favorite place, our local barbershop, LOL. Just another friendly bet and the winner buying rounds of beer. But he says that definitely Jon Jones has the advantage because of all the steroids in his system, LMAO. As far as UFC covering Jones asses, it could be, he is one of their cash cow so they need to protect him as much as they can.

[Tavarez]

Jon Jones is the worst scum you can meet. I don't know why White supports him so much. He is shame to sport and more than that to the UFC organisation. That tweet from Mark Hunt sums it all. The truth really hurts. My pick is Alexander Gustafsson and I wish him luck to send drug person in hospital.

[peter0425]

Jon Jones is the worst scum you can meet. I don't know why White supports him so much. He is shame to sport and more than that to the UFC organisation. That tweet from Mark Hunt sums it all. The truth really hurts. My pick is Alexander Gustafsson and I wish him luck to send drug person in hospital.

Again, it boils down to UFC being in the business of making money. They are not going to admit that they like cuddling Jon Jones right now, but its obvious that they are protecting him, just like how they protect McGregor. But at the end of the day, we us fans really knows that Jones is a scum and a cheater. I can still remember DC saying that Jones is all fake. Now I believed that what DC is saying is true, that he is just showing as if he is a good guy but he is different persona behind the camera.

[tokeweed]

I haven't watched this one yet (but I'm going to after this post).  Let's see how all the juicing and the possible cover up is affecting Jones and how Gus could be having a field day out of this by making fun of Jones. 

UFC 232:  Pre Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7XQ2hXs-50

[TimtheYoutuber]

I live close to where John grew up. Big fan, sad to see the controversy. Hopefully, he can clear it up and continue.

[tokeweed]

^  Yup...  Sad.  But as Gus would say the fight must go on.  It's really generous of him to still go with the bout even if he's totally aware Jones could be juicing.  Maybe the UFC offered Gus more money...?  Lol. 

[peter0425]

^  Yup...  Sad.  But as Gus would say the fight must go on.  It's really generous of him to still go with the bout even if he's totally aware Jones could be juicing.  Maybe the UFC offered Gus more money...?  Lol. 

Hey, do you think that it will affect Gus psychologically knowing that his opponent is juicing? I'm not really sure about the offer though, would it make sense for him to back out and waste the opportunity to make money? Maybe if he lost, he will claim that because Jones is juicing, lol.

[kenzawak]

Guys, stop thinking the "juice thing" will have any incidence on the fight because it won't.
It's just another fight for them, nothing extraordinary here.

[peter0425]

Guys, stop thinking the "juice thing" will have any incidence on the fight because it won't.
It's just another fight for them, nothing extraordinary here.

Do you think its fair to fight someone who is on "juice"?

[kenzawak]

Guys, stop thinking the "juice thing" will have any incidence on the fight because it won't.
It's just another fight for them, nothing extraordinary here.

Do you think its fair to fight someone who is on "juice"?

THEY ARE ALL ON JUICE FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086521.msg48899256#msg48899256

[NavI_027]

Litecoin's gonna sponsor the fight.
The Litecoin logo will be seen in the Octogon :

Wow! Good for ltc. I feel proud that it will be the first one who will sponsor a mix martial arts organization. I just wish that the logo of it will not only be printed on the canvas but also advertised personally by the commentators like Joe Rogan because it's a more effective form of persuasion .

Does anybody else feel the event is now less anticipated than it was a couple months ago?

I don't feel the same way. Few hours left before the match starts and I'm excited to watch on how Gus will break the Bones .

[bbc.reporter]

@NavI_027. Can I join you in your time machine? The main event is not starting for another 24 hours in normal time, I reckon. I would like to know the results ahead of time and make my bets hehehe.

@kenzawak. We heard you. However, why was Jon the only fighter caught by USADA in this event?

[kenzawak]

@kenzawak. We heard you. However, why was Jon the only fighter caught by USADA in this event?

Who knows ?
Maybe his coaches gave him bad advice on what to take and when to take it or maybe it's Jones himself who didn't listen to them.

[Baofeng]

@NavI_027. Can I join you in your time machine? The main event is not starting for another 24 hours in normal time, I reckon. I would like to know the results ahead of time and make my bets hehehe.

@kenzawak. We heard you. However, why was Jon the only fighter caught by USADA in this event?

Maybe @NavI_027 lives on Asia and usually 1 day ahead so maybe he thought that fight is today.

@ kenzawak - Well if Jones took it himself then obviously he knows nothing about those PED's, hehehe. Probably they are all into steroids but for all the high profile athletes who have been tested Jones was so unlucky that he got caught the second time around.

[tokeweed]

Guys, stop thinking the "juice thing" will have any incidence on the fight because it won't.
It's just another fight for them, nothing extraordinary here.

Do you think its fair to fight someone who is on "juice"?

THEY ARE ALL ON JUICE FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086521.msg48899256#msg48899256

Nope...  Not all of them.  Not all of them in the UFC at least, else we'd be seeing lots more being flagged left and right.  It's just Jones, who may have micro dosed recently for this event and Dana White covering it up.

[kenzawak]

THEY ARE ALL ON JUICE FOR GOD'S SAKE !!!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5086521.msg48899256#msg48899256

Nope...  Not all of them.  Not all of them in the UFC at least, else we'd be seeing lots more being flagged left and right.  It's just Jones, who may have micro dosed recently for this event and Dana White covering it up.

Oh my, why do I keep arguing, it's hopeless ?
Let me explain to you how this works. These guys take everything, everything they can get their hands on in order to get an edge.
They have doctors, team members monitoring what they do.
They will only take short ester injections and oral drugs because they get out of their systems quickly. That's why they pass tests easily. And I'm not talking about the products that cleanse their bodies before the tests or products that are undetectable as of today.

I mean no disrespect but thinking that professional sports are "clean" is very naive. And we're talking about MMA here, a sport where you have to be strong, fast, resistant, ferocious, where you need to train a lot and where recovery and healing are very important.

White covering it up ? There is no covering up, it's out. And now everybody calls Jones a cheater... well he is just stupid enough to get caught that's all, he's no different from other fighters, they're all cheaters if you wanna go there.

Why are others not getting caught ? They're probably smarter than Jones.
There is more money in sports federations than in Anti doping agencies so athletes will always be one step ahead. Some athletes are probably taking peds that the anti doping agencies haven't even heard about, peds they won't be testing before a long time.
And who knows, maybe some of these guys get caught regularly but we never hear about it. You think there is no corruption when so much money is at stake ?

Micro-dosing ? No it's just that the tbol was almost out of his system at the time of the test. That's why the result was low.

Just enjoy the fight and stop thinking about this. The best fighter will win whatever was said the past few days.