UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 Prediction and Info Thread

[peter0425]

What a great event!
I was a bit disappointed with Gustafsson, I expected better from him. He had a lot of time to prepare for that fight but he didn't show much improvement. Jones is just out of this league. His fighting is so unorthodox and unpredictable, so much fun to watch.
I usually don't watch womens' fights but I had to make an exception for this one. Lots of energy there, in the octagon and in the crowd. This was the real main event.
I also enjoyed the Chiesa / Condit fight with all those grappling exchanges. Very interesting to watch.
But the best fight for me was the Mendes / Volkanovski one. It was war. A couple of times, I thought Mendes was gonna take this one.
Overall, a fun night.

^  Yup Mendes vs Volkanovski was awesome...  It was the fight of the night (deservingly).  

So...  Any prospects for LHW to challenge Jones?  I don't think there's anyone else except Cormier.  Lol.  

I don't want to see another rematch with DC. Plus he already relinquished his LHW prior to the fight and Jones said he doesn't want to fight DC in HW.

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[cellard]

What a great event!
I was a bit disappointed with Gustafsson, I expected better from him. He had a lot of time to prepare for that fight but he didn't show much improvement. Jones is just out of this league. His fighting is so unorthodox and unpredictable, so much fun to watch.
I usually don't watch womens' fights but I had to make an exception for this one. Lots of energy there, in the octagon and in the crowd. This was the real main event.
I also enjoyed the Chiesa / Condit fight with all those grappling exchanges. Very interesting to watch.
But the best fight for me was the Mendes / Volkanovski one. It was war. A couple of times, I thought Mendes was gonna take this one.
Overall, a fun night.

^  Yup Mendes vs Volkanovski was awesome...  It was the fight of the night (deservingly).  

So...  Any prospects for LHW to challenge Jones?  I don't think there's anyone else except Cormier.  Lol.  

I don't want to see another rematch with DC. Plus he already relinquished his LHW prior to the fight and Jones said he doesn't want to fight DC in HW.

I was hoping to see more by Gustafsson, but what can I say? Jon Jones is too good. He did exactly what he needed given what happened on the first fight. He neutered Gustafsson's superior boxing skills by using his long range, tons of kicks, too much wear and tear on the body, Gustafsson was crippled by the end of the second round. He surprised him with the takedown and then it was over.

DC has nowhere to go right now. What can he do? He was called out, I think we'll see a rematch in LHW or HW.

[Kemarit]

Sooner or later I think as much as we don't like to see a trilogy between the two, we will eventually see them fight again. I don't see anyone at LHW that can remotely beat Jones. The closest is Gus but we have seen what he did. Perhaps Jones will go up to HW and challenge DC and prove he is one of the greatest. Amanda Nunes is a monster though, I was shocked that she didn't even gave the Cyborg any chance, and that overhand right was the killer, first time we have seen Cris Cyborg being dominated like this for a long time.

[nydiacaskey01]

Amanda Nunes is a monster though, I was shocked that she didn't even gave the Cyborg any chance, and that overhand right was the killer, first time we have seen Cris Cyborg being dominated like this for a long time.

Amanda Nunes only needed 51 seconds to finish this fight that took 1 year in the making. Based on the recent interview of Amanda Nunes, she prepared a lot for this fight and did not just accept the fight if she is not 100%. Cris Cyborg on the other hand might have taken for granted this fight but after this fight, I don't think she will retire as she announced earlier.

[peter0425]

Amanda Nunes only needed 51 seconds to finish this fight that took 1 year in the making. Based on the recent interview of Amanda Nunes, she prepared a lot for this fight and did not just accept the fight if she is not 100%. Cris Cyborg on the other hand might have taken for granted this fight but after this fight, I don't think she will retire as she announced earlier.

Looks like Amanda really prepared and very positive that the outcome will be on her favor. Just look at the weigh-ins, she is laughing and enjoying every moment specially when she won the fight. As if there's no real pressure on her shoulder. Miesha Tate says that she is the hardest puncher she ever face and this fight proves that. I also don't think that Cris Cyborg will retire as well, she will go back to the drawing boards and a re-match is possible.

[bbc.reporter]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

[Nerobasta]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

It's possible there will be a rematch but soon. I read an article that Cyborg wants an immediate rematch from Amanda Nunes as she said "of course"
but Dana White don't think this is the right time. He's figuring out what's next for Cyborg before the rematch. I would like also to pay to have the their rematch soon not immediately.

 

[nydiacaskey01]

Anyone watch the Preliminary fight BJ Penn vs Ryan Hall? It's the 6th straight loss for Hall of Famer BJ Penn and its the first time that BJ Penn was defeated via submission. I think its about time that BJ Penn retires. he has nothing to prove anymore. He may have a lot of fights left that his body can withstand but the younger generation of fighters nowadays are different from his era when his name is one of the feared fighters in the octagon.

[bbc.reporter]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

It's possible there will be a rematch but soon. I read an article that Cyborg wants an immediate rematch from Amanda Nunes as she said "of course"
but Dana White don't think this is the right time. He's figuring out what's next for Cyborg before the rematch. I would like also to pay to have the their rematch soon not immediately.

 

I reckon that was not what the message that Dana White was giving during the post fight interviews. There will not be a rematch for Cyborg and Amanda Nunes, saving that Cyborg proves herself worthy.

In any case, it will take a much later time than soon. Did you watch the fight? Would a rematch of that fight sell? It will not, I reckon.

[Jating]

Anyone watch the Preliminary fight BJ Penn vs Ryan Hall? It's the 6th straight loss for Hall of Famer BJ Penn and its the first time that BJ Penn was defeated via submission. I think its about time that BJ Penn retires. he has nothing to prove anymore. He may have a lot of fights left that his body can withstand but the younger generation of fighters nowadays are different from his era when his name is one of the feared fighters in the octagon.

I think he got injured as well as Ryan Hall was one of the best in this kind of submission. I think majority of us here agree that it's time for BJ Penn to retire, Nothing more to proved as he cemented his legacy and I'm sure he also made tons of money so no need to push his body and fight younger generations.

[peter0425]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

Maybe if Cris Cyborg went on another winning streak then absolutely they will have to face each other again. Of course there is the money factor as well, if there's a potential to make good profits down the line then why not?

[DarkDays]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

Maybe if Cris Cyborg went on another winning streak then absolutely they will have to face each other again. Of course there is the money factor as well, if there's a potential to make good profits down the line then why not?

There was a video circulating lately that showed Cyborg take a nasty fall from a trolley, that was right before her fight with Nunes, so it's not impossible to think that the damage from the fall impacted her ability to fight.

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

That being said, Nunes is also a beast, so I imagine the next fight will be more competitive.

[Kemarit]

@peter0425. Read the news sometimes. Dana already said that there will be no rematch because Amanda Nunes dominated Chris Cyborg. He would be creating a different storyboard if the fight was so close, however. But we have what we have hehehe.

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There was a video circulating lately that showed Cyborg take a nasty fall from a trolley, that was right before her fight with Nunes, so it's not impossible to think that the damage from the fall impacted her ability to fight.

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

That being said, Nunes is also a beast, so I imagine the next fight will be more competitive.

It's either Cyborg was affected by that trolley incident or she just grew old overnight, we will never know the reason behind. I also think that there's no need for a rematch at this point. And as far as I can remember, Cyborg has only 1 fight left in her contract so I doubt we will a rematch unless Dana signs her to a new contract that will make the fight possible in the future.

[kenzawak]

I mean let's be realistic, Cyborg is an absolute monster, before this fight there was no reason to suspect that Nunes would dominate her in such a fashion. Since this was a relatively quick defeat, we can reasonably assume that Cyborg either had a bad day, or Nunes got particularly lucky. I really doubt that Nunes would dominate her again.

I'm no expert in Womens' fights but it just looks to me that Cyborg was surprised with the tactics Nunes used, going all in right form the start.
If you're not 100% ready for this kind of assault, this can happen to anyone. It may not happen again if there's a rematch but it was not luck, you gotta be ready for anything in a fight. Look at Fedor when he got his losing streak, he was a bit overconfident and didn't expect some of the moves that made him lose. In MMA, you can't afford to lose your focus.

[tokeweed]

^  Cyborg knew exactly what she was getting into vs Nunes unless she was delusional.  I mean look...  Who has Cyborg fought before Nunes?  They were mostly bums (with the exception of Holly Holm and maybe Evinger?).

Btw...  Cain Velasquez vs Ngannou confirmed for 335.  So stoked! 

[kenzawak]

^  Cyborg knew exactly what she was getting into vs Nunes unless she was delusional.  I mean look...  Who has Cyborg fought before Nunes?  They were mostly bums (with the exception of Holly Holm and maybe Evinger?).

Btw...  Cain Velasquez vs Ngannou confirmed for 335.  So stoked! 

335 ?
Yeah I'm curious about N'gannou. I thought the guy was all hype at first (that fight against Derrick Lewis was horrible) but I'd be happy to be proven wrong  (I'm French).
I guess it will all depend on Velazquez, if he is in shape or not. We'll see if he's still one of the top heavies or not. He's supposed to be the better of the two.

[tokeweed]

^  I guess he is.  Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou.  And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez.  Lmao.  Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

[cellard]

^  I guess he is.  Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou.  And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez.  Lmao.  Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

Ngannou has the physical power to dominate the heavyweight division. However in the words of Conor McGregor, precision beats power, timing beats speed.

This Ngannou guy I think it's not too bring ring IQ wise. He has power, but he doesn't know what to do with it. He needs to improve his overall game. The extreme case of this is The Black Beast, that guy is just hilarious, has no idea how to fight but has insane power. Those guys can randomly win a title fight but are never consistent. I always stay away from gambling when these guys are involved since its a crapshot.

[Jating]

^  I guess he is.  Even if Velasquez wasn't at 100%, but somewhat near it (70% - 80%), I think he'd still win vs Ngannou.  And if he thought Miocic's wrestling was tough, wait til he's vs Velasquez.  Lmao.  Ngannou won't last the whole 5 rounds imho.

I agree. We all know how Cain's wrestling in his A-game. And I don't see Francis winning unless he hit Velasquez with a lucky shot. Although it's interesting to see if he is going to be affected by ring rust because his been out for about 2 years, if I'm not mistaken.

[NavI_027]

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I agree. We all know how Cain's wrestling in his A-game. And I don't see Francis winning unless he hit Velasquez with a lucky shot. Although it's interesting to see if he is going to be affected by ring rust because his been out for about 2 years, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah! That would be a great factor. Cain is no longer in shape and it surely takes a lot of time for him to become once again. We all knew that Ngannou is a hard puncher (It's very obvious based with his physique ) and if he hits Cain then probably he will break in due time. However, I've already watch lots of fights where wit wins over power (like on Lesnar vs Mir) so it still not impossible for Cain to beat Ngannou — size doesn't matters all the time.