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I agree to @TheUltraElite. There are fixed matches but mostly in esports it's not the bookies that run it but it's the players themselves. For example, there were already a lot of players that were banned by valve due to match fixing. Knowing that Valve is the owner of steam where Dota 2 currently runs and the one that organizes huge tournaments with millions of prize pools, it's a devastating ban for life for those involved players. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players
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I agree to @TheUltraElite. There are fixed matches but mostly in esports it's not the bookies that run it but it's the players themselves. For example, there were already a lot of players that were banned by valve due to match fixing. Knowing that Valve is the owner of steam where Dota 2 currently runs and the one that organizes huge tournaments with millions of prize pools, it's a devastating ban for life for those involved players. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_playersIm aware on these bans but these do happen on leagues or on small scale and as mentioned "This article is a list of players banned from various notable establishments, e.g. leagues, anti-cheat systems and Valve events."All is on match fixing and been mixed up some racial language too but these are only on small ones. Rigged on majors and the international? I dont think so and also on big stages when a certain team does have a sign of selling out the game then you can actually notice if youre a big fan of this.
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January 15, 2020, 10:30:19 PM |
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Rigged on majors and the international? People do influence the major competitions by cheating in the qualifiers. But also it has been known for the most successful pro players in a particular area or country to be using cheats. Valve I know has become alot more paranoid about this possibility by conducting checks and literally watching gameplay as it occurs on each team members computer. At the same time esports is a modern phenomena, in the past there was far less chance to receive an actual wage hence the temptation to sell off your participation to betting gangs who dictate the outcome ahead of time. I've got no doubt cheat and throwing does still occur but its far less and I believe caught far earlier on, its mostly down to tournament organiser to ensure integrity to the game and they have everything to lose if seen to be lacking.
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January 15, 2020, 10:54:23 PM |
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I agree to @TheUltraElite. There are fixed matches but mostly in esports it's not the bookies that run it but it's the players themselves. For example, there were already a lot of players that were banned by valve due to match fixing. Knowing that Valve is the owner of steam where Dota 2 currently runs and the one that organizes huge tournaments with millions of prize pools, it's a devastating ban for life for those involved players. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_playersIm aware on these bans but these do happen on leagues or on small scale and as mentioned "This article is a list of players banned from various notable establishments, e.g. leagues, anti-cheat systems and Valve events."All is on match fixing and been mixed up some racial language too but these are only on small ones. Rigged on majors and the international? I dont think so and also on big stages when a certain team does have a sign of selling out the game then you can actually notice if youre a big fan of this. STT is right, there are qualifiers for the majors and international for which they take advantage of it before. But now that it has became a daily living for the professional players, they don't want to bet and risk their careers with the fix matches. But I still think for the small leagues there are fix matches that happens as long as it's on the bookies. I think I just used the wrong verb, instead of "were" I've used the "are", well that's on my part so apologies with that. Before it wasn't a big thing if the players get involved with it because they were not expecting that majors and internationals will be big as it is right now.
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January 16, 2020, 01:19:05 AM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it.
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January 16, 2020, 02:36:02 AM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it. If you make bets on sports betting and Esports and you don't know the teams and their games, you are simply like betting on a toss coin. That is a total waste of your money. Also, how could you enjoy your bet if you don't even know the teams playing and the game itself? An exception perhaps is if you have a reliable source with almost perfect prediction record. I might even bet if that is the case.
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January 16, 2020, 04:12:10 AM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it. If you make bets on sports betting and Esports and you don't know the teams and their games, you are simply like betting on a toss coin. That is a total waste of your money. Also, how could you enjoy your bet if you don't even know the teams playing and the game itself? An exception perhaps is if you have a reliable source with almost perfect prediction record. I might even bet if that is the case. even if he bet like in a toss coin yet this is gambling yet?so there will always a chance to win of lose and that is the way how gambling works, but that is also indeed that we can have a big chance of winning if we knew the team well because you can analyze what is the outcome of each game(but of course those are only by chance and not assurance) also this is the reason why many gamblers now are diverting their habit from other games to SportsBetting and i am also one of those.
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January 16, 2020, 05:43:54 AM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it. You right , so if we know what game and what team will we bets on its easy And sometime we have can take a good market odds when machine just predict with underdog match
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January 17, 2020, 03:01:16 AM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it. If you make bets on sports betting and Esports and you don't know the teams and their games, you are simply like betting on a toss coin. That is a total waste of your money. Also, how could you enjoy your bet if you don't even know the teams playing and the game itself? An exception perhaps is if you have a reliable source with almost perfect prediction record. I might even bet if that is the case. even if he bet like in a toss coin yet this is gambling yet?so there will always a chance to win of lose and that is the way how gambling works, but that is also indeed that we can have a big chance of winning if we knew the team well because you can analyze what is the outcome of each game(but of course those are only by chance and not assurance) also this is the reason why many gamblers now are diverting their habit from other games to SportsBetting and i am also one of those. It is one thing to bet with analysis and it is another to just make a bet without knowing anything. Yes, this is gambling and we will still end up on either the winning or the losing side but it definitely helps if you know what you are betting.
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January 17, 2020, 09:11:44 AM |
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I'll ask such a banal question (yes, is there already a rule in this forum)
Do you know how to make money by betting Esports? Do you have any good ways (in your opinions) to make money? Or maybe only intuition , current form, players' morale?
The tip to win in the sport betting is deep analysis about the players and squad which may give an idea about winner but not for sure.Institution based betting may not be fit for sport betting since it is strategy based we need to decide what will happen while the matches are going. Guaranteed way for making money in the sport betting is match fixing but it is illegal to do. A matter of knowing the capabilities of the players you would bet into is a must. Betting on the team just because the majority told you to do so, would more likely result to regrets because in such aspect, it will all be because of the hype. Watching their previous games will be more advantageous than to listen to the majority and to decide for your own. On the other hand, in order to make it more profitable, be mindful of how much you would bet. If you are confident enough, betting all of your money still is not advisable because things could go possibly wrong. Bottomline is decision-making, analysis, and self control with regards to the bet.
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January 17, 2020, 02:37:29 PM |
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I agree to @TheUltraElite. There are fixed matches but mostly in esports it's not the bookies that run it but it's the players themselves. For example, there were already a lot of players that were banned by valve due to match fixing. Knowing that Valve is the owner of steam where Dota 2 currently runs and the one that organizes huge tournaments with millions of prize pools, it's a devastating ban for life for those involved players. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_playersThis is precisely why I can never bet on esports. I'm not saying it's full of cheats or anything but I've heard stories from lower levels and seen myself in my country some of the local tournaments, where it's just full of deals and backdoor agreements. Good to ban people for life from cheating. I absolutely hate it.
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January 19, 2020, 05:29:43 AM Last edit: January 19, 2020, 08:55:06 AM by TheUltraElite |
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I have to disagree on you, fixing an Esport game is way harder to do than the other games since it will not only need a single person to fixed the game but the whole team, whole brand of the team including their sponsors. How can we not think of the possibility that the full team is behind the scenes rigging the match? They just need to play it one round to get their prize from the bookie, so they can have it all planned out. Like a top team losing a specific round in a certain match but they will win the match because the have not fixed the other rounds of that match. Certainly it can be that they are honest and not willing to do such things. Fixing a game is not a one man job, this already tells us that Esports scene is authentic and true to its passion. I know several players who cheated on international stage, Esports is not rigged and they kicked them out. You may think that I am trying to force my opinion here but is it not true that youtubers and gamers have their complete career based on the companies that sponsor them? They are the mafia here who fix the matches and if you double cross them then their entire career is at risk. I am sure you are getting the point here.
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January 19, 2020, 11:38:30 AM |
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I'll ask such a banal question (yes, is there already a rule in this forum) Do you know how to make money by betting Esports? Do you have any good ways (in your opinions) to make money? Or maybe only intuition , current form, players' morale? I think it's a pretty good idea, such as more serious consideration and analysis like here on esports bettings talks but I'm talking about restricted discussions in the restricted area. Insiders and key information. Do you know any other sources of this kind or somethink for reading like blogosphere gaming information and news here ? I feel the only trick to be succesful in sports betting is to follow the sports you are betting in with passion. Know pre game and post game information which are readily available on expert review channels on television and online. There are sites to bet in sports which also provide post match analysis which can help you with upcoming game and make your move. You can also follow blogs and forums which provide such expert reviews and opinions. Do you know of any other similar sites like https://esporttalk.org with closed group ? . Best for different games like Counter Strike, League of legends, Dota but also Overwatch but also other new games? Do the new games have a chance to break through at all ? or is CS:GO the main one ?
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January 19, 2020, 12:16:12 PM |
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It is one thing to bet with analysis and it is another to just make a bet without knowing anything. Yes, this is gambling and we will still end up on either the winning or the losing side but it definitely helps if you know what you are betting.
How about the people that supports a team? It is not always the people that just bet with analysis and not with anything at all, there are also those people that bet on the team that they support, knowing their abilities or skill but without analyzing the opponent at all.
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January 19, 2020, 12:21:51 PM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
"A game that you fully understand". This quote is from fravia, it is what should remember when we are betting in Esports. How are we going to win if we do not fully understand the mechanics of the game? I also betting in Esports but I always making sure that I know what I am doing. Team play and individual skills of the player are also important and we should consider it. You right , so if we know what game and what team will we bets on its easy And sometime we have can take a good market odds when machine just predict with underdog match It is really easy if we really know what we are doing, knowing where we need to put our money. There are some unexpected results, still the possibility is not that high of it happening every time. The first time I bet, it is usually on CSGO matches and there are a lot of upsets at that time, I usually bet on team with higher odds, unless the team I am supporting has the lower odds of winning.
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How are you sure? Do you have any proof and would like to show it or tell about it?
What is this? It's like you accuse someone of stealing something but instead of you giving proof of their theft, you ask them to prove they didn't steal. eSports still seem much easier to fix.
Did you actually include Dota 2 in those opinions of yours? Because people can easily understand most of how sports like soccer/basketball works. But in a game like Dota 2, it's way more complex. Therefore, it's very difficult to fake things in this game without being noticed by others.
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January 19, 2020, 09:11:42 PM |
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ESports is a very wide-ranging issue, and if you want to bet on it then you should choose a game that you fully understand, I have some tips for you and this tip is the core part of what you need to know before you place your bets, when it comes to betting, you should always know what's better and what's the advantage, in eSports you'll never know who's going to win, MOBA games are one kind of game.
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I don't agree. There are many more factors in computer games that decide whether someone wins or not. Paradoxically, the machine calculates but the algorithm will not forgive any error. There are a lot of things here that can be repeated, like training itself.
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January 22, 2020, 10:23:33 PM |
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I agree to @TheUltraElite. There are fixed matches but mostly in esports it's not the bookies that run it but it's the players themselves. For example, there were already a lot of players that were banned by valve due to match fixing. Knowing that Valve is the owner of steam where Dota 2 currently runs and the one that organizes huge tournaments with millions of prize pools, it's a devastating ban for life for those involved players. https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_playersThis is precisely why I can never bet on esports. I'm not saying it's full of cheats or anything but I've heard stories from lower levels and seen myself in my country some of the local tournaments, where it's just full of deals and backdoor agreements. Good to ban people for life from cheating. I absolutely hate it. It's painful to the side of the bettors because they are supporting a specific team, knowing that the team they are supporting is already accepted or designated to lose the game. This covers the whole betting platform for Dota 2 which includes item and also to those bookies which are the bets are into bitcoin. The punishment is hard and it's removing your whole career into the competitive scene if you are a pro player.
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January 27, 2020, 09:29:29 PM |
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It's painful to the side of the bettors because they are supporting a specific team, knowing that the team they are supporting is already accepted or designated to lose the game. This covers the whole betting platform for Dota 2 which includes item and also to those bookies which are the bets are into bitcoin. The punishment is hard and it's removing your whole career into the competitive scene if you are a pro player.
Okay, but the worst part is that the players suffer from it. The bookmaker's not gonna want to pay. All these companies have companies on some "honolulu" island and you don't really know how long they'll last and if they'll disappear with your money. Of course, I'm not talking about the cases of companies existing for 20 years on the market, but about all these "super bookmakers ever"
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