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March 27, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
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Sometimes you can follow ex-professional eSports player on their stream/any other media since they often bet on eSports and usually are right more often than regular users.

This is a good idea of the question only if you know such if so give me instagram profiles of them . It's hard for me to imagine - unless you mean coaches? But they don't share arcane knowledge, but rather they only make a buzz around their own team. After all, they do not care that the rival knows exactly their tactics, compositions, etc. I think it's hard to find someone who ended his career as a player and then regularly lived the stage by keeping a profile on Twitter. I think such a person has much more interesting things to do.
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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.
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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.


That I think is difficult to win over if there are fixed matches. And it is real and happening. Even if you know the game by heart, if the match is fixed, you can't do anything about it. But yes, that's difficult to know and prove because only few people know about this. And you have no way of knowing this.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/esports-betting-match-fixing

https://www.gamopo.com/esports-match-fixing/
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There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.
Valve stepped down and is giving a very tough sanction for those players and teams that will be proven to be involved with a fix match. They have already made a sample for those players that did it in the past and they're feeling sorry about it because Valve events are the biggest prize pool tournaments that they can no longer participant.

Sample of teams and players that were banned by Valve.

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players

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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.


That I think is difficult to win over if there are fixed matches. And it is real and happening. Even if you know the game by heart, if the match is fixed, you can't do anything about it. But yes, that's difficult to know and prove because only few people know about this. And you have no way of knowing this.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/esports-betting-match-fixing

https://www.gamopo.com/esports-match-fixing/

This is more like cryptocurrency/stock/forex trading.       If things are manipulated in a bad way  (way that aims to make trading very difficult for skilled or many traders) intentionally, your analytical skills and hard work would be in vain unless you understand how the manipulations work.
Skillful bettors with sufficient information and/or "talents" could do well in betting. One of my fears with having  sufficient information is that it would be abused if it gets into the wrong hands. It could be used for sophisticated match fixing, manipulation etc
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There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.
Valve stepped down and is giving a very tough sanction for those players and teams that will be proven to be involved with a fix match. They have already made a sample for those players that did it in the past and they're feeling sorry about it because Valve events are the biggest prize pool tournaments that they can no longer participant.

Sample of teams and players that were banned by Valve.

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players

Okay, now tell me, how do they get to this? after all, this cheater will always be one step smarter, and I can't imagine it's even 50% detectable. How many matches like this are actually caught? Detected ? 10 - 20% max ? Generally we do not know.

Severe punishment ? I don't think you know what kind of money can be behind this harsh punishment... It may not even be half a game...

Research are inspired by other experienced CSGO players from https://pro.eslgaming.com/  and  LOL ex-players and esports bettors from esporttalk.org , esportal and reddit.com and discord

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228376.0 - Astralis to win , fuck yeah
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April 07, 2020, 07:53:57 AM
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New cases of a match set up in leagues with a prize pool exceeding $100,000. I don't know if it's confirmed, but how would I avoid most games in Russia... https://esportsobserver.com/fixed-leagues-with-a-big-prize-pool
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There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.
Valve stepped down and is giving a very tough sanction for those players and teams that will be proven to be involved with a fix match. They have already made a sample for those players that did it in the past and they're feeling sorry about it because Valve events are the biggest prize pool tournaments that they can no longer participant.

Sample of teams and players that were banned by Valve.

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players

Even the virus is spreading the Dota 2 community still continue the major battle and they do this because they want to bring fun to the players but they do this on LAN games only or in the lobby but some of the players is not allowed to travel and connect to the other server and play with their teams so there is a lot of standing on the game but still, they need to adjust because the upcoming international is the thing they need to earn and some of the team does not have direct invited and they need to earn a lot of points to enter into the international 10 so they need to keep it up even they are incomplete.

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April 10, 2020, 05:38:41 AM
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There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.
Valve stepped down and is giving a very tough sanction for those players and teams that will be proven to be involved with a fix match. They have already made a sample for those players that did it in the past and they're feeling sorry about it because Valve events are the biggest prize pool tournaments that they can no longer participant.

Sample of teams and players that were banned by Valve.

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players

Even the virus is spreading the Dota 2 community still continue the major battle and they do this because they want to bring fun to the players but they do this on LAN games only or in the lobby but some of the players is not allowed to travel and connect to the other server and play with their teams so there is a lot of standing on the game but still, they need to adjust because the upcoming international is the thing they need to earn and some of the team does not have direct invited and they need to earn a lot of points to enter into the international 10 so they need to keep it up even they are incomplete.

And I think that's mainly why Dota 2 is becoming less and less popular every year and unfortunately everything indicates that this game will die a natural death. But maybe it's better for the whole e-sport?
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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.


That I think is difficult to win over if there are fixed matches. And it is real and happening. Even if you know the game by heart, if the match is fixed, you can't do anything about it. But yes, that's difficult to know and prove because only few people know about this. And you have no way of knowing this.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/esports-betting-match-fixing

https://www.gamopo.com/esports-match-fixing/
Thank you for these 2 (very) long articles on the subject.
Well as I understand since the middle of 2016 there are some kind of authorities and governance like the Esports Integrity Coalition (ESIC) which take the issue very seriously and closely monitor and investigate on all official competitions.

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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.


That I think is difficult to win over if there are fixed matches. And it is real and happening. Even if you know the game by heart, if the match is fixed, you can't do anything about it. But yes, that's difficult to know and prove because only few people know about this. And you have no way of knowing this.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/esports-betting-match-fixing

https://www.gamopo.com/esports-match-fixing/
Thank you for these 2 (very) long articles on the subject.
Well as I understand since the middle of 2016 there are some kind of authorities and governance like the Esports Integrity Coalition (ESIC) which take the issue very seriously and closely monitor and investigate on all official competitions.


How do they work?
I mean, are there any regular checks?
How can this be controlled, especially in cases of tournaments completely online?

It is physically unrealistic, isn't it?
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g?

https://www.esportsintegrity.com/
https://esic.gg/

Everything is on the page, a lot of reading

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We were established in 2016 to take responsibility for disruption prevention investigation and prosecution of all forms of cheating in esports, including, but not limited to, match manipulation and doping,

The Mission of ESIC is to be the recognised guardian of the integrity of esports and to take responsibility for disruption, prevention, investigation and prosecution of all forms of cheating, including, but not limited to, match manipulation and doping.

ESIC exists to unite the industry under the shared values and visions essential to fight against corruption in any form. These values form the basis of the ESIC Program of Integrity measures. Each commission member has bought into these core principles so that, whilst many Members may be in competition with each other commercially, they are as one when it comes to protecting the sport. Each Member has signed their commitment to these Principles and ESIC will be diligent in making their regulatory ambitions for the sport a reality through the Codes and Procedures set out in its Program.

WHAT WE DO
The Esports Integrity Commission works with esports stakeholders to protect the integrity of esports competition.

We are a not-for-profit members’ association and we can help you, whether you’re a tournament organiser, game developer, esports league or betting operator offering esports – join us!

ESIC’s PRINCIPLES
ESIC believes in a strong and vibrant global sport in which all players, professional and amateur, and all industry stakeholders can build a viable and successful career and industry in a safe, competitive and rewarding environment.

ESIC’s Principles cover six fundamental areas and give rise to required standards and structures which are vital for the accelerated future success of Esports. ESIC’s Principles are fair, reasonable and aspirational and are aimed at creating a coherent underlying philosophy for all stakeholders.

They will guide ESIC’s future activity and they will act as a set of benchmarks to which ESIC will be held accountable and will seek to hold the sport and its key stakeholders accountable. Most importantly, each Member of ESIC must agree to and enforce these Principles in their own part of the Esports industry as appropriate to the sector they occupy for the overall good of the sport.

Integrity and Respect
ESIC will not tolerate cheating or abuse of any kind. All Participants must have respect for Officials, respect for opponents and respect for the Codes, Rules and Regulations of the sport.

Fair Process
ESIC is committed to principles of natural justice and fair process and will ensure that any procedure adopted to implement Codes, Rules and Regulations is balanced, proportionate and fair to all parties.

Implementation, Education and Enforcement in Standardised Codes
ESIC Members recognise the value and inherent clarity and fairness in implementing standardised (not necessarily identical), integrity Codes, Policies, Rules and Regulations across the whole of Esports. All stakeholders recognise that education is the best method of deterring corrupt activity and are committed to a robust and comprehensive education programme.

Recognition of sanctions
ESIC Members are committed to recognising and enforcing the sanctions imposed on any person where ESIC or another Member of ESIC has imposed such sanction using a standard ESIC Code, Policy, Rule or Regulation.

Sharing of information
ESIC Members agree that sharing of intelligence and information will enhance the fight against cheating and corruption and they will support ESIC’s intelligence gathering and investigatory function.

Confidentiality
ESIC Members are committed to the highest standards of confidentiality in dealing with and communicating about integrity issues, especially where individuals are named and where unsubstantiated allegations can cause great damage. Consequently, ESIC and its Members will only make public statements regarding integrity issues in accordance with the ESIC Codes, Rules and Regulations and will use their best endeavours to protect the confidentiality of all parties to allegations and investigations unless and until such party has been found guilty of an offence under an ESIC Code, Policy, Rule or Regulation.
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It all looks beautiful on paper unfortunately the reality is not so pink. These organizations have practically no tools to be able to effectively fight against fraudulent esports games. Let's hope that this changes
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May 03, 2020, 06:56:50 AM
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Unfortunately, as with pretty much all forms of betting/gambling, there are no guarantees to get regular wins. With that being said though, there will be people who manage to win bets more consistently. Esports is very similar to traditional sports when it comes to betting, but I do believe it can be easier to track and make more solid predictions.

I spent a few months betting on esports, focusing on League of Legends, CS:GO and Call of Duty and found this to be particularly useful - https://www.esportsbets24.com/

They help break down the tips and tricks that you'll likely find the most benefit from and also post predictions for some of the biggest esports matches. Like I said at the start though, there's never a guaranteed win when gambling, but taking advice and predictions from some websites like that could help you find a little more success when betting on esports.
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In these cases you can definitely turn a profit if you know the game and the teams inside out.

Exactly! , That's the main and simplest trick in making profit out of betting either ESports or Sportsbetting.
I guess analyzing the game in ESports is a lot more complicated (example Dota2) than sports like basketball, football, and etc. Because you need to look at the team chemistry, the hero picks, possible scenario and outcome.
I don't know what else to consider in analyzing a match in Dota2 since I haven't played the game for 5 years now, but what I really think, is its more challenging to place a bet specially if both teams are very good.

Unfortunately, the biggest risk is not an clean esports. There are many cases of casual fixe matches and unfortunately it is difficult to prove it.

And I don't agree with that argument. I don't really have much to analyse. The choice of heroes is not up to us. I don't know that before the game. So what if we have live? It's just one game. And secondly, during LIVE BET, the odds are drastically understated. You can't practically win there.


That I think is difficult to win over if there are fixed matches. And it is real and happening. Even if you know the game by heart, if the match is fixed, you can't do anything about it. But yes, that's difficult to know and prove because only few people know about this. And you have no way of knowing this.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/esports-betting-match-fixing

https://www.gamopo.com/esports-match-fixing/

Are these the only two organizations that regulate it ? you know some other places where you can get a better understanding of the procedures and how to prevent for small leagues and tournaments ?
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May 15, 2020, 09:42:01 AM
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Depends alot on the game, but teamwork counts alot for integrity of results and likelihood the team is practising together, etc.   I got alot more faith in an underdog bet when I believe that team has underlying potential to keep improving and surprising in their results, alot of that revolves around the team spirit being healthy.   The biggest mistake people make is counting results evenly when some games wont have the effort spent on them over others, some enemy teams or the map choice allows an easier result.
There are a lot of analysis that we need to know in order to win in Esports betting. Before you place a bet you need to know who's underdog and who's have upper hand. I often bet in dota 2 and I have high win rate because I always identifying the strength and the weaknesses of the team before I bet my money.  
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share these tools because apart from hltv, I don't see anything worth using...

In what game do you mean by that word 'often'?
Not specifically a certain game, but in general.
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I don't know about the other games but I'm pretty sure that in Dota 2 and CSGO the percentage of fixed match is small especially if its big tournament or atleast minor tier.
How are you sure? Do you have any proof and would like to show it or tell about it?

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I still think that fixed match cases in esports are way less than sports, based on two games that i mentioned before.
eSports still seem much easier to fix. In a real match where players are sweating and beating each other up, primal emotions become more obvious, impulsiveness and anger often fuel a player to forget his promise to the bookie to lose the match and may end up doing something rash which may lead to a win. Chances that the big whale who paid the team to take part in fixing ends up going South.

Thats what I have felt in game, but play acting is also possible so you may have a point worth discussing too.

Not necessarily. Imagine the equipment and artificial AI that detects that a player doesn't play 100% of his or her abilities, but just plays worse and makes mistakes that are unusual? You think this is not possible?


Thanks for that, I needed it.

I still think that fixed match cases in esports are way less than sports, based on two games that I mentioned before.

We don't know what is happening behind that curtain.

All we know is that these professional players do their best to take home this prize money. In Dota 2, there are a lot of players getting banned because of this, and they really regret they did it. For me, it is not that less but a lot of things proved that fixing is not a thing anymore. In the past, we can only see the games being played, right now we can see how players evolve and rage in a tournament showing their regrets when they commit mistakes.

Dota is a game better to be avoided - 50 % russian cheaters
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May 15, 2020, 12:35:22 PM
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My strategy when betting is simple i only wager on sports i know and often watched. It would be harder to decide and to analyze if you dont know the teams and their gameplay and their recent history. But some people use paid tools or create themselves mostly this are AI's, i recommend you take a look if you're interested.

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May 15, 2020, 04:40:53 PM
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Dota is a game better to be avoided - 50 % russian cheaters
Why do you say that? I'll tell you that there are Russian teams but if it's the competitive scene of Dota 2, these professionals are playing fair and square. Maybe you're talking about the normal matches and rank games? The tournament games can easily be seen on their streams so if somebody is cheating, they can easily be caught by the organizers and even the viewers. Or let us say that there's somebody or a team that cheats during a professional league, they're putting their careers into the pit. And Dota 2 isn't just about them but all regions are involved, SEA, North America, South America, China, EU, and CIS.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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May 15, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
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My strategy when betting is simple i only wager on sports i know and often watched. It would be harder to decide and to analyze if you dont know the teams and their gameplay and their recent history. But some people use paid tools or create themselves mostly this are AI's, i recommend you take a look if you're interested.

That is smart approach. Results are always the best when you feel selfconfident and you are familiar with that sport. Gambling mainly depends on luck, however some knowledge about the sport you bet can only help.
I have the similar approach and only rare I choose sports where I play only on luck and I'm not following it I'm not a fan. I don't believe in paid tools so I don't use them.

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May 15, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
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Insider betting tips of OP seem like spam alone. Why do they have to make their website close for anyone? The only way for it to work is to spam that sporttalk.com

My strategy when betting is simple i only wager on sports i know and often watched. It would be harder to decide and to analyze if you dont know the teams and their gameplay and their recent history. But some people use paid tools or create themselves mostly this are AI's, i recommend you take a look if you're interested.

That is smart approach. Results are always the best when you feel selfconfident and you are familiar with that sport. Gambling mainly depends on luck, however some knowledge about the sport you bet can only help.
I have the similar approach and only rare I choose sports where I play only on luck and I'm not following it I'm not a fan. I don't believe in paid tools so I don't use them.

Its an Esport, everybody chat on the internet and the players can even chat with each other while playing. Hard to bet in games like this when they can just talk about who shall win. It's best to just stick to real sports, men's sports like UFC.

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