Alternatives to Permabans for plagarism

[cryptohunter]

Can we keep this thread on topic, please?

Can you demonstrate where it is off topic....quote it here

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[kvipcn]

I believe everybody desires a second chance no matter the mistakes they had have done. Permabans is basically not the solution to stop people from plagiarizing on this forum. Looking at the real world system of Justice,  before someone is convicted for a crime, the person is given the opportunity to be heard via the judiciary system. Once guilty, they are fined or imprisoned for either years or months. Deploying this system into the forum will be very useful than permabans. In terms of fining offenders, this income can help the forum.   

[Chosen Username]

look @ them right now searching years of posts using plagarism as a weapon trying to silence cryptohunter


first marbroza trys to stop him with fake red trust and had to remove


then one of the gangs socks thought he had him on C&P but source was in the posts the entire time https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48790244#msg48790244



now marbroza  is try again with 2014 posts during the hight of epic battle against scammers giving valuable information without ""proper"" sourcing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48828854#msg48828854


   all because  a merit argue

THIS IS WRONG

STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON C&P NOW

should not be applied other than cheating sigspam 4 post count

[marlboroza]

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should not be applied other than cheating sigspam 4 post count

I thought cryptohuner is at gim.
How about cheating merit system? Or spreading FUD using words of other people and spreading them over and over again? Not saying anyone is doing or did this, I only say it could happen.
Where would you pull line?

[TryNinja]

Permabans is basically not the solution to stop people from plagiarizing on this forum.

It literally can work as a solution. Ban those users = they can't plagiarize anymore. Easy.

Looking at the real world system of Justice,  before someone is convicted for a crime, the person is given the opportunity to be heard via the judiciary system.

This is an online forum and not the judiciary system. There is no need to give the opportunity for them to "be heard" because they only get banned when there is plenty of proof of plagiarism. No one is going to get banned wrongfully for that.

Once guilty, they are fined or imprisoned for either years or months. Deploying this system into the forum will be very useful than permabans.

In which way? They will just stay out of the forum or with alts waiting for the ban to run out, then they will come back with the spam. A permaban is a permanent and simple solution for the account plagiarizing.

In terms of fining offenders, this income can help the forum.

The forum doesn't need more money.

[cryptohunter]

look @ them right now searching years of posts using plagarism as a weapon trying to silence cryptohunter


first marbroza trys to stop him with fake red trust and had to remove


then one of the gangs socks thought he had him on C&P but source was in the posts the entire time https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48790244#msg48790244



now marbroza  is try again with 2014 posts during the hight of epic battle against scammers giving valuable information without ""proper"" sourcing https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg48828854#msg48828854


   all because  a merit argue

THIS IS WRONG

STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS ON C&P NOW

should not be applied other than cheating sigspam 4 post count

I agree with you 100 %

We need not worry this forum has not become a place where the true legends of fighting scams will ever be banned for some sloppy quote from his friends whilst helping him fight the biggest scam ever. There were like 5 threads running concurrently for weeks on page 1 of the alt discussion board. The biggest war ever in alt coin history .  I sleep like a baby every night even though i realise these non achieving moronic snitching sig spamming ( THE REAL FINANCIALLY MOTIVATED POSTERS THAT LOVE TO POST THEIR GARBLED NONSENSE  TO EARN BTC DUST WHILS SAYING NOOBS SHOULD NOT ...HAHA )  scum want to silence me revealing for what they are. They should be banned for trying to remove one of the most proven net positive members in the history of scam fighting here and helping the ordinary people who followed him become millionaires from their rags and they have thanked him over and over.

Even should real legends with real achievements fall to these herd of jackals and cowards  it does not matter too much. Real legends live on clearly in the minds of their friends who will join and pick up the flame of their fallen LEGENDS and never let them be forgotten and never let these jackals rest. They can not win and real legends can not lose.

But be aware this goes beyond merit arguing they are corrupt and have gang mentality and are cowards and will create sock puppets who knows what else they would try. They are bullies and talk down to people all of the time. It is great to talk to them as I rightfully shall as one of the greatest scam fighters ever in cc history. They are non achieving coward moronic scum. That is how it is being recorded even now in the greatest ledger of crypto. I am relishing it and enjoying every single second. Those bunch on non achievers being legends is a joke to the term. It defiles it. Legends should be people who have done things that stand out in the history of crypto currency.

Just because most people hiding away on meta cowed down and dominated by this lowly bunch of cowardly jackal scum know very little to nothing of real history of alts and the communities that have resided there for years. Cryptohunters loyal friends will be sure to fill them in in the future I am sure.

thanks to you and I mean it to ... the one person who has joined in the battle against this gang of cowardly moronic losers and non achievers ....they are nothing ...just ask them they will admit that they are nothing and have done nothing and are capable of nothing except praying on the weak and snitching on the noobs that spam sigs just like they do.  They voice opinions on everything mostly foolish opinions just to earn some BTC crumbs and I have offered them a deal to remove their sigs and stop spamming them for 3 years....would they do it. In the words of thepharmacist the dumbest poorest wretch here with his bag of PIVx i sold him for 300x more than I paid.......".Hell NO " he needs that btc dust ....

@MORONBOZO

Which cheating of merit system? is that even possible hahah I mean ask foxy time travel can get you out of anything with that...provide evidence or slink back your other cowardly jackals of zero net worth.. and work on another plan to take down a real net positive legend ...


bring evidence of merit cheating or be banned for harrassing me and witch hunting such legend with such an illustrious history that is fully documented

I mean how can such a broken and circled system be abused???

Actually you are right I have abused the merit system before............................I confess...............................





















I think I gave you some once.....how do I take it back you faked being honest and fair once.... then I discover you are part of a fucking bunch of cowards and jackals that think you have power to ban people here for talking out against your sig spamming for btc dust and being a general fool. 

[actmyname]

I mean how can such a broken and circled system be abused???

An abused system is quite literally broken. If the system is pristine and has no flaws then certainly it will be impossible to abuse. This is just a tautology.

I think I gave you some once.....how do I take it back you faked being honest and fair once.... then I discover you are part of a fucking bunch of cowards and jackals that think you have power to ban people here for talking out against your sig spamming for btc dust and being a general fool.

Bans?

[William8062]

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If we're doing this we should probably add the honeymoon guy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5056278.0

The excuse is about as credible at those other two and nobody found any other signs of copypasta yet.

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Hi Suchmoon,
Thanks for putting my case forward or at least membering it.

In my thread I welcomed the idea of getting  a permanent ban of signature. If my permapeal was successful.
I don’t mind if it make my account “worthless” without a signature. I don’t intend to sell it.

As most of my posts are in French. I did agree to pay for someone fluent in FR and EN to review my posts and check if I am a spammer and or a shit poster. I agreed to pay this person, or to pay a fine or to give to a charity. or to

I obviously understand than posting here in this thread (ie outside of my ban appeal thread) is considered at ban evasion. However my message is about my appeal and limited to meta and not with the purpose of “upgrading my account”

[bitserve]

Signature ban, clearly.

The cancer of this forum are those people that are ONLY here for earning some bucks with the signature campaigns. They don't care about Bitcoin, the forum, the community, nothing. Cut them the signature and they are done.

If one member, after being banned from wearing a signature remains here he probably was here for something more and most probably has something to offer to the community. They will be very few among the banned ones... but it will be a pity to lose those few. Second chance for them... WITHOUT SIGNATURE.

Or even make the signature locked to one that says something like: "This user was signature banned for plagiarism".

Either permanent or temporarily... but I would incline towards temporarily with XXX (minimum 100) amount of merits needed to remove the ban.


P.S.: Temporarily based just on TIME absolutely not. Otherwise they would just let the account dormant until the ban has expired. That might be annoying for a "real" member, but no problem for bots, farmers etc....

[bones261]

I'm not in favor of restoring signature privileges based on how many merits someone earns. All this board needs is for one (or more) merit sources to go bad and game the system. Yes, it is prohibited for merit sources to sell merit. However, when greed comes into play, there are all sorts of ways to obfusticate what is really going on and go quite sometime without getting caught.

[bitserve]

I'm not in favor of restoring signature privileges based on how many merits someone earns. All this board needs is for one (or more) merit sources to go bad and game the system. Yes, it is prohibited for merit sources to sell merit. However, when greed comes into play, there are all sorts of ways to obfusticate what is really going on and go quite sometime without getting caught.

If a member needs 100+ merits to get restored..... do you think it would pass unnoticed if a merit source (or any other member) would give the banned user a significant push towards his goal?

I would be more worried about the signature banned user getting less merits than he deserves just because he has already been "marked".

And you already know how some people are scrutinizing the merit sources in a way I would even qualify as "overzealous" lol

Sorry, but I can't agree with you in this one

Don't get me wrong, I want all those useless signature campaigner BOTS/FARMERS/SPAMMERS/SHITPOSTERS out of here. I am just vouching for a way that would let an otherwise good standing member of the community to be saved/recycled for the good of the community. And I am only doing this because I have read some cases (a minority) posted here in the past months that I think the strict rules application has had (what I consider) a negative outcome for the community.

If the merit requirement to restore the signature is high enough it won't be worth for the "bad apples" to even try. It will always be "cheaper" to farm new accounts. Only real members would go throw the "punishment" of restoring their "reputation".

[tranthidung]

I vote for banning signature and one question. What is the difference of a temporary signature ban to an amount of merit they should earn?

Required merits to back to normal status will lead to massively merit abusements.
Of course, abusers will be found, get punished later, but I don't like the idea.

It is so ridiculous if a old accounts (Hero or Ledgendary) does not know about forum rules on plagiarism. Therefore, they deserves perma bans if they intentionally and lazily violate forum rules, especially on plagiarism.
For Newbies, it does not matter with them if they got permanent bans, I believe.

[Veleor]

P.S.: Temporarily based just on TIME absolutely not. Otherwise they would just let the account dormant until the ban has expired. That might be annoying for a "real" member, but no problem for bots, etc....

In my opinion if the temporary signature ban will be implemented, then it is necessary that it be based not on the time but on the member's Activity points.

[Marshall14]

Permanent signature bans
For me that's the most reasonable,when a user is caught plagiarising,such user is banned permanently and isn't allowed to create any other alt account or such would be banned also(ban evasion)

Thus if we're to change things here,preventing such users from earning an extra dime on the forum is synonymous with a permanent ban,just that they will be allowed to stay on the forum,but on read mode,the only difference between it and the normal status quo is that they'll be allowed to make posts,reply posts and send PM

That way we do not change a whole lot of things all at once, and it would still act a strict deterrent as over 80% of users are all on signatures(earning from the forum),and wouldn't want to lose that privilege.

[Xal0lex]

Permanent signature bans

What to do with those who plagiarize, but do not use the paid signature? What is the alternative for such users?

[Quickseller]

Permanent signature bans

What to do with those who plagiarize, but do not use the paid signature? What is the alternative for such users?

I suspect these people are few and far between. Especially if you consider that some of these people are trying to rank up their accounts to use paid signatures in the future.

[suchmoon]

Permanent signature bans

What to do with those who plagiarize, but do not use the paid signature? What is the alternative for such users?

I suspect these people are few and far between. Especially if you consider that some of these people are trying to rank up their accounts to use paid signatures in the future.

How do you define "few and far between"?

Most permabanned users are newbies. How many newbies get paid for signatures?

[Quickseller]

Permanent signature bans

What to do with those who plagiarize, but do not use the paid signature? What is the alternative for such users?

I suspect these people are few and far between. Especially if you consider that some of these people are trying to rank up their accounts to use paid signatures in the future.

How do you define "few and far between"?

Most permabanned users are newbies. How many newbies get paid for signatures?

This thread is in regards to those banned for plagiarism. There is little reason for someone to plagiarize if they don’t think it will help them earn money, either immediately or in the future via a higher ranking account.

[suchmoon]

Permanent signature bans

What to do with those who plagiarize, but do not use the paid signature? What is the alternative for such users?

I suspect these people are few and far between. Especially if you consider that some of these people are trying to rank up their accounts to use paid signatures in the future.

How do you define "few and far between"?

Most permabanned users are newbies. How many newbies get paid for signatures?

This thread is in regards to those banned for plagiarism. There is little reason for someone to plagiarize if they don’t think it will help them earn money, either immediately or in the future via a higher ranking account.

At least half of all permabans (probably a lot more) are for plagiarism. 75%+ banned users are newbies and brand new (nuked newbies most likely). So there seem to be other reasons for them to do it, for example to bump ANN threads every few minutes. They have no real chance to rank up.

[Xal0lex]

I suspect these people are few and far between.

You're wrong, believe me.