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January 11, 2019, 04:10:32 PM
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Hello all!

Quite a long time ago I published a topic where an urgent loan was needed.
Forum member yogg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827) wrote that I ask too much and immediately received a negative trust.
As a result, I did not receive any credit.
The topic has long been closed.
No one has any complaints with me.

I asked him to remove the negative trust, but he categorically refused.

I think this is unfair!
And he cannot decide for others!

Moreover, I create wallets for mini-computer Rapsberry Pi3 and there are positive reviews.
And no one wrote that he received viruses and I am guilty of this.

On the contrary, I do something that benefits others.
I was advised to find a person who could give a positive Trust to remove the minus.

But if such disputable situations are not resolved, then it is possible to place negative trust in everyone and the forum will deteriorate.

But you can not just leave impunity!
I do not want to write him something bad and put a negative trust .... God will judge him.

I will be glad to any advice and help!

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January 11, 2019, 04:19:13 PM
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Hello all!

Quite a long time ago I published a topic where an urgent loan was needed.
Forum member yogg (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=140827) wrote that I ask too much and immediately received a negative trust.
As a result, I did not receive any credit.
The topic has long been closed.
No one has any complaints with me.

I asked him to remove the negative trust, but he categorically refused.

I think this is unfair!
And he cannot decide for others!

Moreover, I create wallets for mini-computer Rapsberry Pi3 and there are positive reviews.
And no one wrote that he received viruses and I am guilty of this.

On the contrary, I do something that benefits others.
I was advised to find a person who could give a positive Trust to remove the minus.

But if such disputable situations are not resolved, then it is possible to place negative trust in everyone and the forum will deteriorate.

But you can not just leave impunity!
I do not want to write him something bad and put a negative trust .... God will judge him.

I will be glad to any advice and help!

The only thing you can do is try to convince Yogg to remove his rating.  You are right in he cannot decide for others whether they should deal with you or not, but he is entitled to give his opinion.  Other members are welcome to heed or ignore his words, no one is forced to react any specific way.

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God will judge him.

Then why post here?

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January 11, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
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No one has any complaints with me.

Apparently yogg and EcuaMobi do.

I think this is unfair!
And he cannot decide for others!

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But you can not just leave impunity!
I do not want to write him something bad and put a negative trust .... God will judge him.

First of all, yogg's feedback is factual as far as I can see. So your first step should be to recognize that what you did may be seen by others as untrustworthy, and be a little more contrite.

Second, what Vod said LOL. If you bring God into the equation, you don't need the help of mere mortals.

Also let's be honest about the real reason for your complaint nearly two years after the fact despite having a nearly identical rating from Ecua: yogg is now on DT2 and that changed the visibility of the previously hidden red rating. It didn't change the facts or circumstances. So you might as well exclude yogg from your trust list and continue as if nothing happened.

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January 11, 2019, 06:40:37 PM
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The negative trust isn't the problem or should I say the trust system as long as there are basis for it to be imposed. Moreover, it isn't moderated so basically it is on the user's choice if he wants to remove it or put it in neutral.

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But if such disputable situations are not resolved, then it is possible to place negative trust in everyone and the forum will deteriorate.
No it wouldn't happen, we have still an administrator that look over in the forum and placing negative trust without some valid evidences of such acts or behavior is totally shady and fair enough it will be provoked if found out. Forum is still handled well.

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January 11, 2019, 07:01:32 PM
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Even the topic has been closed a long time back, it doesn't change the fact that at once, you had a record of asking a huge amount of loans without collateral. Hence, the feedback stays as a reference for future encounters. The criminals even after released from jail have the records stored in the jail books for several years. The negative feedback is something similar.


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January 11, 2019, 08:32:07 PM
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I asked him to remove the negative trust, but he categorically refused.
Nobody else can remove it. He (yogg) is included on DT2 by TMAN, owlcatz and krogothmanhattan. If the feedback would be incorrect, you could ask the ones who included him to remove him, or ask others to exclude him. In this case, chances are you'll get more red trust instead of less.

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And he cannot decide for others!
He can warn them though.


Let me get this straight: you asked for 2.7BTC, promising 5BTC in 60 days. In dollars, that's a $3900 loan and $12200 to pay back. Somehow I don't believe you would have paid it back.

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Let me get this straight: you asked for 2.7BTC, promising 5BTC in 60 days. In dollars, that's a $3900 loan and $12200 to pay back. Somehow I don't believe you would have paid it back.
Obvious exit scam attempt. I wonder how this was missed/wasn't reported before by someone else.

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January 12, 2019, 01:30:44 PM
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Stop guys!
I actively trade on Forex and at that moment there was a difficult situation: try to take a loan on the forum or find another way out.

In the end I thought and decided not to take a loan.
You can check out that there were no more similar topics from me.

All scammers are very greedy and can't wait.
I already wrote that I was engaged only in POS-mining and credits are not needed.

It is difficult for me to write my thoughts through Google translator, but I want to convey the fact that if a yogg does not want to remove his decision .... then he has to live with it.
But I think that it has long proved that a crypto is more important to me than deceptions and begging!

And so i created a theme for those who could help me to do this to help me.

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January 12, 2019, 01:31:40 PM
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Now Lauda is my Trust painted!
Yes for what Huh  Cry

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January 12, 2019, 01:41:28 PM
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Now Lauda is my Trust painted!
Yes for what Huh  Cry
I warned you:
In this case, chances are you'll get more red trust instead of less.

In general, there are possible paths for threads complaining about negative trust:
<1% has a valid complaint, and the red trust gets removed or countered
>99% has valid red trust, and drawing attention to valid red trust leads to other users reinforcing it.

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January 12, 2019, 01:49:26 PM
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I do not understand what they accuse me !?
Where did Lauda see fraud?
I just asked a question 2 years ago, got an answer, I realized that I didn’t need a loan and that’s all.

And the other day I saw a negative trust and decided to figure it out!
Why did I put him even more?
Who have I offended?
Who said that I took the money and did not return, and thereby deceived the man !?
I collect purses from a pure heart, I have already made more than 100 pieces to help someone.
And I am accused of fraud, which was not !!!

Yes, I deleted the old posts, but in that topic they remained as quotes and everything is clear.

Where's the justice!? Why 1-2 people can decide for another? And you can’t affect it!
It looks like corruption!
I have been on the forum for several years and not a single person has made complaints to me !!!
Only do nasty things, because it is allowed and there is impunity !!!

Today I was accused of what I did not commit ... tomorrow another .... and what will happen next with the forum Huh

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January 12, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
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Let me get this straight: you asked for 2.7BTC, promising 5BTC in 60 days. In dollars, that's a $3900 loan and $12200 to pay back. Somehow I don't believe you would have paid it back.
Obvious exit scam attempt. I wonder how this was missed/wasn't reported before by someone else.

How do you decide this?
On what basis?
I deleted the old messages, because the yogg no longer responds to the messages and is allowed to spoil the accounts of the forum members.
Because no one can influence him.

And you do not understand the situation, allow yourself the same thing!
For what???

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January 12, 2019, 02:08:42 PM
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Hello all!
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Moreover, I create wallets for mini-computer Rapsberry Pi3 and there are positive reviews.
And no one wrote that he received viruses and I am guilty of this.
...
I will be glad to any advice and help!

Thank you for that!
See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3275292.msg35762955#msg35762955

Hope you get some extra trust from friends.
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January 12, 2019, 02:24:32 PM
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Now Lauda is my Trust painted!
Yes for what Huh  Cry
I warned you:
In this case, chances are you'll get more red trust instead of less.
In general, there are possible paths for threads complaining about negative trust:
<1% has a valid complaint, and the red trust gets removed or countered
>99% has valid red trust, and drawing attention to valid red trust leads to other users reinforcing it.

But where is the connection?
At that time there was a very good period for trading, so I posted a question.
It turns out that now for each question / suggestion can you reduce confidence?
Or someone gave me the money, but I did not return it?
I am on the forum almost every day!
Why blame me for what did not happen!


I'm in shock!
In an attempt to understand the situation, it turns out I'm almost a criminal already !!!

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January 12, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
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Who have I offended?
You're allowed to offend anyone on this forum. That has nothing to do with your trust.
Do you honestly believe you would have paid back $12200 if you would have gotten a $3900 loan? This forum is flooded by Newbies asking for loans to run off with. Red trust is a common response, your bad luck is that you didn't get tagged by DT back then, and the trust only shows up now.
Most Newbies who get tagged abandon their account, and no doubt create another one. You'd lose your rank if you do that, so tough luck.

You can of course make your own custom trust list, and exclude the users who tagged you.

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Who have I offended?
You're allowed to offend anyone on this forum. That has nothing to do with your trust.
Do you honestly believe you would have paid back $12200 if you would have gotten a $3900 loan? This forum is flooded by Newbies asking for loans to run off with. Red trust is a common response, your bad luck is that you didn't get tagged by DT back then, and the trust only shows up now.
Most Newbies who get tagged abandon their account, and no doubt create another one. You'd lose your rank if you do that, so tough luck.

You can of course make your own custom trust list, and exclude the users who tagged you.

I do not insult anyone!
I really don't understand what's going on ....
I have high rank on the forum and at the time of my question, I was not a novice.

But the problem is not that there was a fraud!
And the fact that I just asked! Wrote as is and waited for suggestions.
They explained to me that my request was not feasible, the question was closed.
So where did I earn bad trust?
Just asking a question that someone misinterpreted ??
That is, it is possible to fantasize like this, that a person asks for a million, but there is no pledge and he will not give up and immediately a fraudster!
Then why bother about loans?
If absolutely everyone can be blamed already for what he has not yet done .... so just in case, in advance!
Where is the logic and justice here?

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January 12, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
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God will judge him.

Then why post here?
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I do not insult anyone!
I really don't understand what's going on ....
But the problem is not that there was a fraud!
And the fact that I just asked! Wrote as is and waited for suggestions.

A question can also be an attempt to scam or extort. An example? You go to a bank and say: I want a loan of 10k USD, I promise to give it back. I have no ID, no other documents with me, but I promise, you have my word. What would their reaction be?
You post using your anonymous account, nobody knows you. That's why there are rules that require you to have collateral equal to, or higher than the value of the loan.
If you fail to provide it and instead give empty promises, it will be seen as a scam attempt.

Do you understand now?

Unfortunately we pay for our mistakes and you got red trust, which wasn't harsh if you think about it. Would you prefer a ban?

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A question can also be an attempt to scam or extort. An example? You go to a bank and say: I want a loan of 10k USD, I promise to give it back. I have no ID, no other documents with me, but I promise, you have my word. What would their reaction be?
You post using your anonymous account, nobody knows you. That's why there are rules that require you to have collateral equal to, or higher than the value of the loan.
If you fail to provide it and instead give empty promises, it will be seen as a scam attempt.
Do you understand now?
Unfortunately we pay for our mistakes and you got red trust, which wasn't harsh if you think about it. Would you prefer a ban?

You are missing one important thing!
Because no one understands me!
Asking a question and receiving some kind of answer does not mean that the person has conceived a deception ...

When publishing my question for a long time, I could not even suggest that for any word, you are just being given negative trust.
And I still can not hear the answer about justice.

After all, I was immediately told that my request did not fulfill and I thought and understood that I could manage without a loan in the end.

But who gives the right to one person to decide for another?
Am I in court? Or a very malicious intruder?
If I were a fraudster, would I create threads?
Would you participate in forum life for so many years?

Why no one takes it into consideration!
Yogg, Lauda wrote their erroneous judgments and disappeared ..... they are not interested in what will happen to me with regard to my posts ....

After becoming unfairly accused, I allegedly became a crook .... although having studied my posts, on the contrary, I help people!

And I repeat again: where is the justice and understanding?

After all, there was no speech that someone decided to give me money and I need to collect documents for confirmation ..... they immediately wrote that I was a fraud.

Satoshi Nakamoto wanted this when creating a forum?
He wanted some people to feel their impunity and to do anything, while other people tried .... because it is impossible to influence it ..... judging from posts in this topic.

It all resembles a corruption system, as if accidentally pushing a person on the street, you become almost a terrorist and the most dangerous person on the planet!
How can you even try to understand the problem, if no one can provide solid evidence that there was an evil intent, it was realized and someone was injured !!!

Only coiled the assumption that this could possibly be ..... The sun will explode in a million years, and what? Now go to bed and die because of this assumption?

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