Should we put a merit/post ratio? Like torrent site

[mOgliE]

Previous idea is no longer center of discussion on the thread.

This suggestion from o_e_l_e_o

A suggestion I did see in another thread, which I would prefer over this one but has a similar outcome, is charging users 1 earned merit per activity period (2 weeks) to display a signature. If they run out of earned merit, they lose their signature until they earn more.

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I’ve drawn-up a quick merit per post ratio for forum members that:
-   Had been merited on the 25/05/2018 (oldest merit snapshot I have without getting into backups, but it serves or purpose with over 7 months of data).
-   Have created at least 200 posts since then.
I’ve created a merit per post ration for each of the above set of forum members (see https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nyaHbaz31aVf6dnnTjiPOuCflZv1UOxNSWTQVMMUt68/edit?usp=sharing).

In summary we get:
-   There is an unknown (by me) number of users that have posted at least 200 posts since 25/05/2018 (unmerited ones I mean).
-   21.808 forum members had been merited on the 25/05/2018.
-   3.679 of those have posted at least 200 posts since the 25/05/2018.
-   1.219 of them have an average >= 0,005 merits/post.

So really, only 1.219 forum members meet the criteria of having 0,005 merits per post on over 200 posts since 25/05/2018 (*). That is a pretty reduced set …

(*) Well, really there is an additional set made up from those that had not been merited yet on the 25/05/2018, and have since then + created >= 200 posts, but I needed an initial snapshot to retrieve the post and merit count from.

Edit: One can also manipulate the merit per post ratio by deleting posts.

Clearly points out a better solution than the one I was proposing first.


I quite like the idea of diminishing sig spamming by restricting signatures to people managing to acquire merit. Do anyone see a problem with that? It would at least reduce spam while allowing anyone who just wants to talk do it.

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[Hhampuz]

I don't like this idea as it doesn't feel like something that would progress us further as a community..

Some people that are hanging out in certain sections are rarely getting any merits, same goes for some oldies that are hanging around who usually just pop in every now and then (Happens from time to time in collectibles).

[petestheman]

If a person does not get merit for every 20 posts he makes, that does not mean he is a shitposter or he should not be allowed to post on the forum. This is a place were freedom of speech is respected and should be.

There are many flaws in this.

1. People who are new here mostly don't get merits even after posting 100+ posts.

2. Most of the people are unmerited even after writing quality posts as they are just not detected by someone with smerits.

3. Some of the people just tend to post updates about there services here so that posts are obvious to get no merits.

4. If you check marketplace section much of the people just use there accounts to bid on some stuff there, so they usually earn less merits.

Much more...

All this things can make much worthy people of the forum to be banned from posting.

So, I think its not a good idea to put merit requirements to the forum members to post.

[mikeywith]

But it seems to me that a 1 merit / 20 posts can't possibly be a difficult task unless you're a complete shitspammer... Thus you shouldn't be allowed to write.

Most members don't fit in that, and it is not an an indication of quality posts by any means. your idea will help fight shitposting but it will also stop good posts when everyone is paranoid of not getting merit,therefore running out of posts. the knowledge sharing on the forum will drop along side with the shitposting.

there are also many off-topic posts and market place that supposedly go un-merited for a simple reason.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I asked sometime ago for another new "score" which calculates together the air-doped merit, received merit, post count, deleted messages and activity.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4603181.msg41553497#msg41553497
Nothing new there...

[TMAN]

@vod could you do something on your site?

Posts since merit system/merits received = meritworthyness?

[Alone055]

That would totally change the purpose of the Merit system. The system is not supposed to stop people from posting, but it is to stop them from ranking up without any efforts.
If someone joins the forum to earn money through it by joining campaigns and bounties, then they need to rank up first by contributing something in the forum and earning Merits, but if someone joins it for another purpose as mentioned earlier, they don't need to earn Merits and they can continue doing what they want to if they don't really care about ranking up.
Besides, as said by LoyceV, a person's contributions towards the forum are clearly seen by the number of posts they've made and the number of Merits they've managed to get so far.

[TheUltraElite]

Take a look at my last 20 posts. Do I seem like the average shitposting scum? Well maybe yes because I post in sections where no merit source visits. But does that make a difference to me? No. Because I care about what I post about and not as an attempt to gain merit.

If you look at my posts in Bitcoin Discussion and Trading Discussion, I always try to usher in a good emotion among people whom I feel are becoming sore after having to hodl through times of bear runs. Thats what we should all do as a part of this community in order to garner the support for bitcoin and crypto in general.

My posts in Project Discussion and Lending go out for calling of scammers who attempt to fake themselves - I feel I am just doing my part in protecting possible victims.

What I dont like is trying to make new topics everyday farming away merits trying to catch the eyes of every merit source and then refreshing the profile page every 2 minutes to check how many new merit one could get by their last "ass-licking" attempt.

No offence to OP though. This was not meant for them anyway. But those who do this know that.
Participate in the forum. Forget about merit. Stop being obsessed with merit and its application to everything. You guys are forgetting what this forum is about.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I disagree (-1), this is just like saying if I post 20 times on facebook and I don't get a share (or maybe like)  I should be stop from posting. Actually most of my post don't get shared/liked on facebook because they are seen by those who aren't inform about bitcoin and blockchain in general but that's why I make those posts to inform them.    

Back to the forum. If I see a technical post especially those ones with all the codes,  I just move on because I don't understand them, Just like my facebook friends do.

That's why I agree with this user when he said,  

There are many flaws in this.

2. Most of the people are unmerited even after writing quality posts as they are just not detected by someone with smerits.

But there's a solution Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source i have been using it and so far the results are positive.

[The Cryptovator]

Not agree with OP. The current merit system working fine enough. Don't make it more difficult. It's already very hard to earn 1 merit for new user especially for spambie. If you restrict them then forum will be empty. Lol.
However from beginning even me was not a good poster or even I will not angry if you call me spambie. But day by day I has been learning from forum. Still I am learner and gain enough merit. If your intention is good enough then you can earn merit from the forum. If you just bounty spammer means he never expect merit.

So better just keep the current merit system.

[LoyceMobile]

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5051725.0 for examples.
I'll add OP when I'm back at my desk.

0.05 Merit per post is far too steep as a requirement.
Spammers won't even reach a fraction of that, and spammers are the only ones who should be stopped by merit requirements.

[mOgliE]

See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5051725.0 for examples.
I'll add OP when I'm back at my desk.

0.05 Merit per post is far too steep as a requirement.
Spammers won't even reach a fraction of that, and spammers are the only ones who should be stopped by merit requirements.

Well put it at 0.005 then. ANYONE can reach that ratio if there is just a slight beginning of correct English.

That's 1 merit every 200 posts.

Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?

[petestheman]

Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=933326

There and many more such examples you should try checking in other sections too.

[mOgliE]

Can anyone point at someone making decent posts not getting that?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=933326

There and many more such examples you should try checking in other sections too.

Thanks for proving my point xD

First user: Complete shitposter. His posts are ONLY participations in free lotteries in the forum or airdrops. Never written anything but his name or a btc address. How is that a useful member for the community?

Second user: made less than 30 posts in the last 2 years.

[TMAN]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?

[mOgliE]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=732010

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?

Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.

[TMAN]

Check the last one too...

This is exactly what a ratio would avoid. Don't put it high so it doesn't harm users that just like to talk a lot, but a very small one will avoid this.

Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone

[petestheman]

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?

Yes, they are unworthy posts in a views of a bounty manager or a poster like you here but, the point is that does not mean he should be banned from posting as he has earned no merits. If they are banned it would just make a decent crypto collector unable to post on best crypto forum in the world.

[hilariousetc]

No, and theymos would never do this as he is against restricting people from posting too much. There are so many users and posts and so few merit sources that it won't be uncommon for average posters to go unmerited but that doesn't mean they should be prohibited from posting. You can certainly use their posts to merit ratio as a barometer if you want but that shouldn't restrict them from contributing. What happens if you just make posts in the marketplace trying to sell things but don't really contribute anything elsewhere? That's fine but in your system without merit they would be prohibited from selling here. If someone is truly a terrible poster or even worse being disruptive then they should be dealt in other ways but automatically restricting people isn't a good idea for reasons I've just stated.

[mOgliE]

Fuck that, peteswhoobviouslyisnttheman actually needs a tag - he shouldn't be allowed to do business on this forum for that post alone

Yeah well after the DT changes he even has a fucking 42 green trust score xD

FFS check the 1st page of that cunts posts - you are a manager and you think that level of posting is ok?

Yes, they are unworthy posts in a views of a bounty manager or a poster like you here but, the point is that does not mean he should be banned from posting as he has earned no merits. If they are banned it would just make a decent crypto collector unable to post on best crypto forum in the world.

You're wrong. The user is actually just farming and abusing lotteries on the forum. He's most certainly someone having alts and trying to post multiple times on lotteries hold by good guys.