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January 15, 2019, 05:45:11 PM
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Dear Forum Admins/Moderators,
I have been a member of Bitcointalk.org forum since September 2017 and with my regular posts and participation on Croatian section of the forum, I believe, I have actively contributed to the quality of the posts on the forum. During this period, I have invested significant amount of time and effort to do so.
My belief of positive contribution has been confirmed many times by other members of the forum and what is more important by Theymos.
Therefore, I have been very unpleasantly surprised on 5th of January when I received your ban due to, as you state, „probably spam or plagiarism“.  Surprise was even bigger because on the same day I also received a thank you post and an increased amount of merit through my sources from Theymos.

After a reflection back and detailed search of my posts, done by my colleagues on the forum, one post from December 2017 was found, which was placed in ANN topic and in which I expressed support for a project. The text written was taken over from other post, since I fully agreed with it.
I would like to point out that at the time I have been a relatively new member of the forum and not yet fully aware of interpretations of all the forum rules. These rules I have learned thoroughly in the following period which is visible since after that no similar situation can be found within my posts.
Problematic post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2491104.msg25605500#msg25605500
I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found throughout the membership period, which was not deliberate and which happened long time ago. I strongly believe that there was much more positive contribution to the forum afterwards and that the imposed ban seems as a too strict measure.
Therefore I would like to ask you to reconsider the ban and give me a chance to further take part in the forum topic I find interesting and motivating.
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January 15, 2019, 06:20:58 PM
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I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found

Who's "we"?

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

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January 15, 2019, 06:26:12 PM
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one post from December 2017 was found, which was placed in ANN topic and in which I expressed support for a project. The text written was taken over from other post, since I fully agreed with it.
You've admitted to have plagiarized, that wouldn't change a thing.. You could have quoted and add "I agree with this" with an additional point at least, that'd have been considered more reasonable

I would like to point out that at the time I have been a relatively new member of the forum and not yet fully aware of interpretations of all the forum rules.

I'm sorry but I would not consider that as an excuse to plagiarize neither do I think mods will, as a newbie If you do well enough to seek rules guiding the bounties you participated in and adhere strictly to them, then you should have done as well to find the rules governing the forum, which in my opinion aren't far fetched..

I'm sorry about your account tho, but the damage is irreparable..

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January 15, 2019, 06:39:01 PM
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That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

I know for a fact that banned users have access to their profiles. I also thought it was in read-only mode and they cannot delete/edit posts.

Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.
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January 15, 2019, 06:45:17 PM
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That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.

I know for a fact that banned users have access to their profiles. I also thought it was in read-only mode and they cannot delete/edit posts.

Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.


I think banned users can delete posts, but just can't edit them. I have read about it somewhere on meta(I think) about a similar issue of deleted post by a member after ban.

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January 15, 2019, 07:27:20 PM
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@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.




I think banned users can delete posts, but just can't edit them.

I had been reading that banned members can neither delete nor edit messages. Check the comments below:

If you remove all the spam posts I'll change it to a seven day ban.

But how am I supposed to remove them as I can't change any post as a consequence of the ban?

Are you sure you can't delete them? Pretty sure you can unless theymos changed it so banned users can't remove posts.

I just checked.



As you can see in the printscreen, I am logged in (status online) but there aren't any possibilities that appear next to the post to adjust or remove them... Unless I can do it in another way?

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January 15, 2019, 07:51:40 PM
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@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

I'm member in Croatian forum and I an say that RegulusHr is well respected member in our local forum.
He was first merit source and really helped many local members to get merit for good quality posts in croatian and to advance in the forum.
He even organize first offline meeting between members in Croatia.
We really enjoyed great time in the restaurant for the dinner and sharing and he paid for it.
He is very kind member, always ready to help and support others.
We really miss him a lot and want him back!
Since he was main merit sourcer in our part of the forum, we lost also in this way.
Yes, he made one mistake but is anybody perfect here, without any mistake?
Please mods forgive his mistake and restore his account.
In the coming posts you will see great support he have among croatian members on this forum.



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January 15, 2019, 08:11:12 PM
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Can anyone confirm they can do that post ban? If so, that's fucked up.

I don't think so. It would have to be prior to the ban, which makes even less sense now that I think of it. I have no idea how it's possible to claim with such certainty that it was only ever done once.

he made one mistake

How do you know that?

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How do you know that?

Because I know him personally.
He is honest and sincere person and I believe him.
I can say something like this only for a few people in my life.





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January 15, 2019, 08:21:25 PM
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IF it was just that one post
IF he hasn't been ninja editing
IF he has support of the Croatian community
I wouldn't argue with leniency.

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January 15, 2019, 08:35:41 PM
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@ReguluHr

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

I'm member in Croatian forum and I an say that RegulusHr is well respected member in our local forum.
He was first merit source and really helped many local members to get merit for good quality posts in croatian and to advance in the forum.
He even organize first offline meeting between members in Croatia.
We really enjoyed great time in the restaurant for the dinner and sharing and he paid for it.
He is very kind member, always ready to help and support others.
We really miss him a lot and want him back!
Since he was main merit sourcer in our part of the forum, we lost also in this way.
Yes, he made one mistake but is anybody perfect here, without any mistake?
Please mods forgive his mistake and restore his account.
In the coming posts you will see great support he have among croatian members on this forum.

I can confirm everything Daniel91 said.

RegulusHR was very active in our local board, contributing in building our Bitcointalk Croatian board on daily basis by writing high quality content and meriting good posts. He was very helpful, specially to the newbies (myself included) by helping them to make first steps in cryptocurrency world.

He was the first one to volunteer to be merit source in croatian board, and did his duty responsibly and fairly.

I personally met him twice. One time for trading (I bought cryptocurrency from him and gave him positive trust), and second time on offline meetup of local bitcointalk community that he organized and covered all expenses. I can confirm he is honest and fair offline like he is online here on forum.

Yes he made one error but I don't think we should be defined by errors in our past, but we should be judged by who we are today.

I hope that moderators and administrator will listen to the plead of Croatian Bitcointalk community and deactivate ban on RegulusHR.
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I am relatively new here but Regulus has been and an amazing support to anyone on the Croatian subforum. He was a merit source, the day he got banned theymos doubled his merits which i think is proof enough that he was a valuable member and trusted even by theymos. It is so sad that he made that mistake. I wish he could return because our local forum has lost a very valuable member.   

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I just had a quick look through OP's posts and found one more example of copied text, it is short (98 characters) but definitely copied as it's taken from the same topic 5 hours later.

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.   Cheesy

I'm loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. When I evaluate the seriousness of a project I like to see the images of people in the team and especially the link to their Linkedin profile, it gives seriousness to the whole project.

I think it's a very good move that you conditioned participation in the airdrop with writing a constructive comment or question.



As a bonus there is a third guy with the same post which I'm now going to report:

I am loving couple of things about your project. First of all, it looks well organized and planned. Very few coins care to work within a plan. Distribution of coin is also intelligent. All the best for your project and it's success.
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So... only twice?

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January 15, 2019, 09:23:26 PM
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So... only twice?


Permaban is far too rigorous punishment for members that have contributed greatly to the forum.

These errors were made long time ago and if someone deserves second chance it is RegulusHR.

I hope that his good work and engagement in Croatian community will be recognized by forum staff.
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January 15, 2019, 09:37:04 PM
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I have to point out that this was one and only mistake we found

Who's "we"?

That's an almost unprovable assertion, unless perhaps you know which posts you copied and went back and deleted them.
"We" are local community from Croatian subforum. We were so surprised with the fact that RegulusHr is banned that we tried to figure out what is the reason.

So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

It hard to express how much we want to support him. I don't know him in person. Still, he helped me when I asked for help. He helped a stranger and had no benefit for doing that, but he did, because he is a good man. And I'm not talking about answering questions on forum. I'm not saying this just because he helped me. His is always very helpful. Also, I learned a lot from his posts and he is definitely a valuable member of our community.

The whole community from Croatian subforum will appreciate a lot if admins unban him.
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January 15, 2019, 09:51:27 PM
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So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.

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January 15, 2019, 10:26:08 PM
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So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.

That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.

His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.
Banning him after so much time is more harm than good, IMHO, and to not repeat what others said, I support returning
him his account for reasons they already stated
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January 15, 2019, 10:31:43 PM
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His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.

Ban evasion is against the rules so that's probably not helping the argument. Let's wait for TPTB to pitch in here.

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January 15, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
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So, yes, he made a mistake. Twice. Who knows, maybe even more than that. But, it is very important to note that he made mistakes a long time ago.
Punishing him now is like punishing a good old man for something he did when he was a kid.
That's a huge exaggeration. Something from year ago is not at all like something from one's childhood. I doubt the OP a year ago was a child or otherwise not fit to be held accountable for their actions.

And we're not talking crime and punishment or anything of the sort here. If one can't be bothered to put effort into pretty much the main thing one does on a forum, i.e. creating posts, then this privilege can be taken away from them.
My English is far from good, but for me "Newbie" and "Jr. Member", translated to the real world, would be something like "kid" and I'm not expecting from my kids to know all rules. He proved that he learned the lesson and he is not making the same mistake anymore. If he isn't banned a year ago, why not giving him a chance to continue to contribute to this community? His contribution so far was much more valuable than the "damage" he made in the past.
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