Ban Appeal RegulusHr and discussion on topic "good for the forum as a whole".

[Branko]

His account was 2 months old...that would in my book be "forum childhood"
If he was banned then, he'd maybe learn it hard way, make another account and he'd now be with us, with clean account.

Ban evasion is against the rules so that's probably not helping the argument. Let's wait for TPTB to pitch in here.

I reported a lot of obvious post farming posts for bounty reasons, and those people are still having
their accounts because they use software to juggle few words and evade plagiarism ban.
In my book, thats way more "ban evasive" than making another account and starting as Newbie account,
yet I still see them posting. No perfect world, I guess

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[Trofo]

Nevertheless, I suppose if some reputable members from Croatian locale will confirm that you will bring more benefit to the forum if your ban would be cancelled, then the chances for successful appeal will increase possibly and you will receive a signature ban instead of a permanent ban.

Don't know if I am reputable enough, but for what it's worth I can vouch that RegulusHR has been exemplary member in the Croatian section of the forum and if it were in my power I would lift the ban and and issue a warning. My reasoning will be explained below but that is the gist of it.

I will not get in the discussion of how many post were copy/pasted in the past or try to justify that. I don't have the time to check all his early posts and it isn't that important for my decision to support him. I agree with the opinion that it was done in the past and I see it as youthful transgression (forum time, not actual years). Yes he did wrong, yes he should have known better but it was in the beginning and I can overlook it.

In the meantime RegulusHR has grown as a forum member which was even acknowledged by Theymos when he accepted his Merit Source application even though he was only Full Member. That was a "job" he performed flawlessly and I believe he is big part of the reason why Croatian section of the forum is as good as it is. I didn't see a single post he has merited without cause or single "good" post that didn't receive merit from him. This was again recognized by Theymos since he recently doubled RegulusHr merit allocation.

Croatian section is quite small and is actually the only part of the forum where I have read all the post in last year or so. I can vouch that RegulsHR post in this section are of good quality and not copy/pasted. Furthermore, he brings quality to our community even without his merit awarding ability, but as a merit source he was almost essential. I checked his latest posts a bit and it seems to me that almost all his recent post are in our local section so I believe that our opinion should have some influence on possible ban removal. Furthermore, if you randomly select few active users in Croatian section and send a pm with question if RegulusHr ban should be recalled I believe all of them would give a support to his ban appeal.

I saw that there was some confusion about "we" in OP. We stands for part of Croatian local community in this case. All of us were really surprised when this happened, and discussed it in one topic. Obviously, English is not our primary language so if some posts/sentences come up a little bit strange this could also be part of the reason.

[cryptofrka]

Let me chip in here a bit..

I joined this forum maybe a year ago, at first I didn't even know where to begin - it is so overwhelming when you first join. Millions of threads, topics, you reply on a topic and go to check answers 3 hours later and there are 7 new pages written. Therefore, I have to admit I strongly support hard stance on plagiarism because posts like these do not give any value and are basically pure spam. If we go a step further, at least 75% of these boards serve as spam boards anyway, stuff is written there only to fulfill our campaign's posts quotas. I know, I was there at the beginning, writing all kind of stupid posts with no value at all in order to get my stakes. Visiting Bitcointalk was a chore, I hated doing it and did it ONLY to write 10 meaningless posts per week. I learned NOTHING about crypto during that time.

After further browsing I was really surprised to see there's a strong Croatian local community on Bitcointalk. Since the moment I joined, I found my home there. The community has been so helpful, warm and kind. I learned a lot about a variety of topics. Visiting Bitcointalk started to become a daily routine and I'm here now because I want to be here. Writing posts is not a chore anymore, I do it for fun, communication and exchanging of ideas and not for campaign purposes. I do not even need to check how many I have written, it is always over the quota. My posts have value as well, which can be seen by number of merits collected. I would say joining the local board completely changed my experience on Bitcointalk.

Ok, what is the connection to RegulusHR? Well, if I had to pick one person who is the cornerstone of our community, it would definitely be him. He is helping us all so much, being a merit source is only a small part of it. As some of our members already said, he invited us all for meet-up and covered all costs, he is always giving good advice and he has tackled some tricky topics (like properly paying/reporting taxes) like a true pro. When I heard he was the one who got permabanned, I could not believe it because it is so conflicting with who he really is.

I know you will ultimately decide by yourselves and that all we write can be in vain. I will just share my personal opinion that RegulusHR's one of our highest appreciated members whose words and actions have true value and that lack of his presence can already be felt on our local board. Not due to the lack of merits given, his contribution is so much broader than that.

I, for one, plead that you lift his ban and help us keep growing as a community. He is sincere, valuable and honorable. I know it isn't the same if you write 'Yea, I truly believe we will see a recovery in alt markets soon. Please ADA, do it for my children.' or if you copy it from someone else, but for the sake of the argument, let's talk about value here. These posts have NO value. Written or copied.
RegulusHR has been providing true value day after day since I joined and I think that is something we should be concentrating on.

Why 'we'? Because you will not find a single person from our local board that will tell you otherwise.

[slackovic]

I too would like to say something about this. I too come from Croatia and I write mostly in Croatian section of this forum. I don't know if I'm reputable enough, but I hope someone will take my thoughts into consideration.

RegulusHr is/was a reputable member of our Croatian section and all of us were very happy when he became a Merit sourcer. There are people in our section that write mostly in this section so Merits from RegulusHr were very helpful. That's why I was shocked that he was banned. I'm aware that moderators have a lot of work with blocking users that are spamming this forum, but I think this kind of punishment (a permanent ban) was a bit exaggerated for a mistake that he made over a year ago. Back then he was just starting to get to know how this forum works and probably wasn't aware of all the forum rules. True, he made a mistake and deserves a punishment, but a moderator could have warned him or give him a temporary ban. I'm sure he would have learned his lesson with that punishment.

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

[cryptofrka]

I know I'm risking something (probably dissecting all my posts, getting negative trust or whatever) by posting this and a general rule in life is to knuckle down and lower your head when 'the boss' has arrived. But what the hell, I think that is a totally wrong way to act so I will say my part about this as well.

I see you have given negative reputation to RegulusHR. I also read almost all negative reputations you have sent out and all of them are for spam/multi accounts, financial fraud, basically, for things much, much bigger than post copying. There is not a single one reported for post copying there in over 250 negative reps given.

From your post (and from previous, although rare occasions i saw you on BTT) I can see you are Croatian and that you hold a grudge. What you just did is personal and, in my book (and probably everybody else's from current local board) definitely not ok. We need people who scan the forum and do the 'dirty work', but there needs to be a line where you cannot freely use your 'power' for personal revenge, or whatever it is that is driving you to do this. Or let me rephrase that, you can and you just did - but you, as a reputable member of this forum, should know better than to act like that.

I'm definitely not the one to tell anybody how to behave and what to do, my time here is far too short and my significance to this forum far too small to matter, but what I can clearly see is that after all of our support to RegulusHR, the situation now is even worse than it was before. This is politics, this is a witch hunt and this is wrong.

[Lauda]

I know I'm risking something (probably dissecting all my posts, getting negative trust or whatever)

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

From your post (and from previous, although rare occasions i saw you on BTT) I can see you are Croatian and that you hold a grudge.

Everything from here on out is a lie. I have no idea who this guy is, and thus can't hold a grudge against him.

What you just did is personal and, in my book (and probably everybody else's from current local board) definitely not ok. We need people who scan the forum and do the 'dirty work', but there needs to be a line where you cannot freely use your 'power' for personal revenge, or whatever it is that is driving you to do this. Or let me rephrase that, you can and you just did - but you, as a reputable member of this forum, should know better than to act like that.

Trying to taint my name with this nonsense again? Not the wisest decision.

I'm definitely not the one to tell anybody how to behave and what to do, my time here is far too short and my significance to this forum far too small to matter, but what I can clearly see is that after all of our support to RegulusHR, the situation now is even worse than it was before. This is politics, this is a witch hunt and this is wrong.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

[TMAN]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

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it is a shame that OP is banned seeing all the vouches he is getting, but yes it is chi all over again, so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

However I do believe that people with a decent backing of obvious non-alts should be given some way back onto the forum, 100% they shouldn't be able to wear a sig for 12 months - or even better the sig should be - READ THE FUCKING RULES or similar, But a small mistake (however grave in the grand scheme of things) shouldn't be punished for life if the net gain to the forum is far greater, especially taking into account the forums official stance on scams.

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

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it is a shame that OP is banned seeing all the vouches he is getting, but yes it is chi all over again, so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

However I do believe that people with a decent backing of obvious non-alts should be given some way back onto the forum, 100% they shouldn't be able to wear a sig for 12 months - or even better the sig should be - READ THE FUCKING RULES or similar, But a small mistake (however grave in the grand scheme of things) shouldn't be punished for life if the net gain to the forum is far greater, especially taking into account the forums official stance on scams.

Revoking OP's ban would be fine if other bans of notable members (such as chi) were revoked. Since they weren't, revoking OP is also out of the question for me. I believe there was also another case not too long ago where I have said the same thing (i.e. voiced my strong opinion against making an exemption).

[Lucius]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

The same rules apply to everyone, so any exemption for any user would make a precedent. RegulusHr is made a mistake in the past, accidentally in ignorance or fully aware that he is copy/paste posts of other people - I think that does not really matter now.

We can see that every day at least 10 users ask/post about they ban, some even Hero or Legendary - so it is not only what you will do in future posting, but also what you do in the past.

[TMAN]

Revoking OP's ban would be fine if other bans of notable members (such as chi) were revoked. Since they weren't, revoking OP is also out of the question for me. I believe there was also another case not too long ago where I have said the same thing (i.e. voiced my strong opinion against making an exemption).

The exemption should be for all senior members who have community backing, IE not just 12 newbies banging on about it, they should be made to look like fools with the signature being set my the forum though, hopefully it would be a bit of an education and may prevent further Copy-pasta lovers

[Lauda]

Last time people were asking for an exemption (which included me), it was rejected. Let's see whether the staff will remain consistent or change their stance.

The same rules apply to everyone, so any exemption for any user would make a precedent. RegulusHr is made a mistake in the past, accidentally in ignorance or fully aware that he is copy/paste posts of other people - I think that does not really matter now.

We can see that every day at least 10 users ask/post about they ban, some even Hero or Legendary - so it is not only what you will do in future posting, but also what you do in the past.

Correct, but setting a precedent might be a bit problematic given that they would probably have to review dozens of users again. In addition to that, plagiarism cases can greatly differ. Although you can argue that all plagiarism has an incentive since the introduction of the merit system.

The exemption should be for all senior members who have community backing, IE not just 12 newbies banging on about it, they should be made to look like fools with the signature being set my the forum though, hopefully it would be a bit of an education and may prevent further Copy-pasta lovers

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

[cryptofrka]

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

That is not my plan at all.

Everything from here and moving forward a lie. I have no idea who this guy is, and thus can't hold a grudge against him.

I am aware that there is a possibility you do not know this member personally. What I meant is that it seems you hold a grudge over something what happened a while ago on Croatian local board. I do not know what it is, I do not care what it is, I have just heard your name spoken a few times but it does not interest me at all what happened. I'm just voicing my feeling, based on your comment where you asked for the same treatment as before, and for giving negative rep for far lesser 'evil' than the ones you usually tend to give them for.

Trying to taint my name with this nonsense again? Not the wisest decision.

Again, not my plan. I am not trying to taint anything, I'm just questioning this specific decision. Yes, you can say 'who are you to question', I know you have worked a lot to get to where you are and that your reputation is earned, but I also know better than to stay silent when I see something I do not agree with.

Eventually, as mentioned before, it will be the way you choose it to be. I just hope you take my opinions as a incentive to reconsider, not to fight.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

Oh God, I just saw this.. I'm 32 years old, have a steady job, do 3 more jobs in my free time, I live a happy and satisfying life. Do you honestly think I care about merits, some forum reputation or whatever?
If I did, I would not be here, confronting you. Would I?

[Branko]

You do risk negative trust by lying not by voicing opinions.

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

[TMAN]

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

This - promoting issues around plagiarism or similar.. if he got to waste his time on this shit then people should be punished
 

[Lauda]

Eventually, as mentioned before, it will be the way you choose it to be. I just hope you take my opinions as a incentive to reconsider, not to fight.

That is fair, but you should have empathized that it is a possibility rather than a statement of how things are. The way that I've read it, it felt like a direct attack.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

Oh God, I just saw this.. I'm 32 years old, have a steady job, do 3 more jobs in my free time, I live a happy and satisfying life. Do you honestly think I care about merits, some forum reputation or whatever?
If I did, I would not be here, conflicting you. Would I?

I do not know, but my statement stands (note the "I see"). Out of all the names that were voicing their support for OP, I may have recognized two of them. This is usually not a good sign.

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

Nobody was talking about Regulus.

It would be funny to see them wear a signature of shame for a year or two. Thermos would probably figure out something hilarious.

This - promoting issues around plagiarism or similar.. if he got to waste his time on this shit then people should be punished

Who knows, he may surprise us like he did with the DT system.

[Branko]

Out of curiosity, what did RegulusHR lied about?

Nobody was talking about Regulus.

Sorry, was lazy to check actual reason, I thought you were speaking about reason you gave RegulusHR
negative trust.

Now that I see you wrote

"Stealing other people's work/text is not trustworthy."

do you think he was really "stealing other people's work"?

I think he was just lazy...but I so many times saw similar behavior (and reported it), but people
weren't lazy and changed a word here and there or used posting bot to post spam, and they were
not banned...so (for me) this ban is pretty extreme (and if some cases you spoke mentioned were the same,
of course I think the same about those cases too). But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.
If they ban you next day because of same offense, I won't insist your ban stay
just because you were supporting RegulusHR ban

[Trofo]

I do not know, but my statement stands (note the "I see"). Out of all the names that were voicing their support for OP, I may have recognized two of them. This is usually not a good sign.

I hope I am one of the users you recognize. After all I was in Coinpayments campaign managed by you. It was the best managed campaign I have been part of and thank you for that. Your standards have made me expect similar level of commitment from other signature managers which left me disappointed often.

To get back on the track. RegulusHr will only get support from users active in Croatian section of the forum (he was only active in that part). If you are not reading that part lately it is somewhat logical that most of the users are unknown to you. After all most of us are newer members of the forum with varying knowledge and contribution.

All I see is users which are hungry for merit whining that their merit farm source is dead due to stealing posts.

That perception was actually my concern as well. I am aware how it looks to "outsiders". We have a loop here without good way to get out of it other then to trust our words. All the users speaking on the behalf of RegulusHR are part of the Croatian section and all of them have probably received merits from him at some time. He was the "local" source after all. I believe I am actually most merited person by RegulusHR and was thinking to refrain of posting my comment here because somebody will probably make that link and conclude I am writing just because of the merits.

I like to believe that he would receive same support even with merit out of the question. He would have my support for sure but there is no way to prove such claims so "back to the loop".  

[Lauda]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

I hope I am one of the users you recognize.

Indeed.

I like to believe that he would receive same support even with merit out of the question. He would have mine support for sure but there is no way to prove such claims so "back to the loop".  

That's one of the problems. There is a very strong incentive for people who received (or may receive) merit from OP to complain about his ban and ask for an exception. Given the lack of involvement outside of the section and general lack of contributions to the community, there is no way to judge what the actual agenda of each user is.

That perception was actually my concern as well. I am aware how it looks to "outsiders".

Yup, and I've had bad experiences with local users trying to play white knights before. The last one I remember was when I tagged someone active in the Turkish section (there was a thread in the reputation section IIRC). At least the users here seem to be acting in a proper manner.

[Branko]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

So lets make it clear here

if instead

"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."

he wrote

""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""

it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?