Ban Appeal RegulusHr and discussion on topic "good for the forum as a whole".

[Lauda]

But if you fought for someone before, and now insist
RegulusHR should be banned because someone else you liked was banned for same thing. , thats
hypocritical in my book.

No, it is not. It is called accepting the forum's policy and trying to be consistent afterwards.

So lets make it clear here

if instead

"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."

he wrote

""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""

it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

I don't think so, no. You'd have to quote and include a link to the source.

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[cryptofrka]

Most arguments that were given here are valid and can be understood. There are always 2 sides to every problem - we feel the punishment is too hard because we know RegulusHR, the mods see him just as another spammer/scammer/cheater. I can understand that standpoint, it would take a massive amount of time to check every reported/tagged user thoroughly. Rules are there for a reason, abiding by them is the easiest way to hold this forum in one place.

The thing is you all know these rules are not always good and fair. It is not the same thing if a new user gets banned for copying something and if an older, legit and respected user gets banned for something he did a year or more ago. Changing rules is always hard because there will always be users in the past with the same mistakes that were punished harder, but this specific rule (considering the timeline) is in my opinion a really bad one and punishment for it too strict (not just in the case of RegulusHR) and if you look at it logically - should be modified a bit.

Regarding the community support - I can understand reservations there as well. You can test it easily - revoke Regulus's ban, remove negative trust but remove him as a merit source.
We as a community will progress a bit harder but if we are honest, we will be pleased because a member we cared about is back in our community.

This would not be fair too because he was actually a great merit source and did the job thoroughly but would serve as a way to show that we support the man and not the milking cow.

[suchmoon]

I so many times saw similar behavior (and reported it), but people
weren't lazy and changed a word here and there or used posting bot to post spam, and they were
not banned...

How is that anecdote relevant here? This is why mods are hesitant to make exceptions. All sorts of spammers would then start screaming whataboutwhataboutwhataboutwhatabout...

Let's just stick to the facts at hand. The OP has done copypasta, more than once and probably more than twice, with apparent financial motivation.

[marlboroza]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

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Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

[Lauda]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

?
Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

Surprising. It seems to me that more people have a burning desire to get banned and neg. rated.

[suchmoon]

I don't get Branko's obsession with spinners. Moderators are banning for using that shit. Sure, some posts may slip through and some spinning may be considered too inconclusive for a ban. However 80%+ of users that I reported for word-spinning ended up being banned. It's not a free pass. And it doesn't excuse any other copypasta.

[eroejoe]

I looked through the post history of your profile and have discovered that almost all of your comments in Croatian and it is difficult to judge about their quality to majority of forum users.

I learned so much from him and I am pretty sure that I am not only one, his contribution to our local community is unquestionable.

so ill say the same thing I said to him and every other copy-pasta lover.. READ THE FUCKING RULES..

Copy-pasta lover
It is hard to me to be nice after reading this, but I will. RegulusHr spent many days of his life for making new, fresh, interesting and quality posts for local community.

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I do not want to tell names, but I feel that many respectable members which are against RegulusHr see only merits in eyes of Croatian community!

He even organized meetup for local community of Bitcoin forum with his own money. I wonder how many members even try something like that?
I believe he was planning another one, but with this thankfulness I do not think so.

[Branko]

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

So lets make it clear here
if instead
"Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform become live. My full support on the project and will contribute for your success."
he wrote
""Electrum Dark will be usefull on trading once its platform is alive. I fully support the project and will contribute to its success.""
it would be OK, if we will be strict about following rules?

najveća krivnja mu ispada što nije kupio posting bota da mu malo ispremiješa tekst prije postanja

?
Testing grounds for text spinner? Well, that is fastest way to get permaban.

Surprising. It seems to me that more people have a burning desire to get banned and neg. rated.

Nice way to SPIN my words...but I already noticed some old legendary members obsessed more with punishing people
left and right and making newbie life miserable, than trying to help people...like giving already banned people
negative trust

[Daniel91]

After reading all posts here I think it's time to change rules on this forum.
I think that ovcijisir, Branko, Trofo, cryptofrka and others very well explained why permaban is not good solution for plagiarism (based on RegulusHr case).
In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.
We don't need an exemptions but a new forum rule for plagiarism and I hope that theymos will consider it.
Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.
It's not important who is more famous or popular on this forum, or have more power or influence.
We should respect equally all users on this forum, and their opinions.
Finally, I'm not hungry for merits and don't care about it.
In fact, I'm another merit source.
I support RegulusHr because it's right thing to do.

[Lauda]

but I already noticed some old legendary members obsessed more with punishing people

Yeah, yeah. We are all evil psychopaths; it's our fault and definitely not the fault of the people breaking the rules and/or acting untrustworthy. I've heard this countless times already; be original for once.

We should respect equally all users on this forum, and their opinions.

No. Respect is earned; you can keep that self-entitled bullshit to the local section. Don't even get me started on the we should respect all opinions.

In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Sure. Strip him of his signature, his merit source status and revoke bans on all non heavy cases of plagiarism. I wish the staff the best with this proposal.

[Daniel91]

I would like to ask for a more polite discussion here.
I hope I don't ask to much.   

[Lauda]

I would like to ask for a more polite discussion here.
I hope I don't ask to much.   

I can call in cryptohunter and TMAN if you are fond of polite discussion.

[Daniel91]

If we should be afraid to freely express our opinion here because someone can attack us, it's sad time for this forum and community.

[Lauda]

If we should be afraid to freely express our opinion here because someone can attack us, it's sad time for this forum and community.

If nobody is allowed to attack you, then what the hell would this forum even be? Boring. The majority of the content (excluding some technical sections) is someone attacking someone else or something else (e.g. a shitcoin). I've been attacked pretty much every day over the past 3 years; grow a thicker skin or go home.

[Daniel91]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

[Lauda]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

[suchmoon]

In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Who's gonna do all that work? Keeping track of thousands of users and counting their mistakes?

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.

I would like spam to stop. Please grant my wish and I'll grant yours. Until that happens I'll continue to disrespect shitposters regardless of their "age".

[ovcijisir]

The main point that we (users who regulary participate in croatian local forum) wanted to make is that RegulusHR is trustworthy person who don't deserve to be banned from this forum.

I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.

[Daniel91]

I think we should strive to the argued discussion here.
Any question should be solved by arguments in the debate, not by force or attacks.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

I do not think that anybody have the right to abolish the freedom of speech here.
All users have rights to express their opinions, whenever you like it or not.
I don't think anything is resolved here.

[Lauda]

I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.

I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it. You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter. People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.

I don't think anything is resolved here.

Good luck with that then.