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Question: After all discussions here and everything shared do you think that this permaban should be removed?
Yes - 28 (84.8%)
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January 16, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
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In my opinion, much better solution will be temporary ban, maybe 30-90 days for a first mistake and permaban if plagiarism happen again.

Who's gonna do all that work? Keeping track of thousands of users and counting their mistakes?

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Also, I would like to see the same respect toward young and old members on this forum.

I would like spam to stop. Please grant my wish and I'll grant yours. Until that happens I'll continue to disrespect shitposters regardless of their "age".

It can be rule only for a new cases, or recent (last a 30 days for example).



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January 16, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
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I don't think that RegulusHR deserves red trust for "stealing other peoples work" because that two sentences are hardly work.
I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it.
I don't have anything against tagging people with red trust if they deserved it, but in this case I think it not deserved.

You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter.
I belive that stating opinion does matter, specially if it is backed by facts.

People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.
I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon? Maybe I was wrong? And my opinon is that in this case red trust rating and permaban were excessive, specially if we take in account how much RegulusHR contributed to local section.


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January 16, 2019, 08:50:36 PM
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I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon?
You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

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January 16, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
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I thought that anyone that creates account on this forum had right to state opinon?
You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

Everything that had to be said was said. It is up to moderators and administrator to make the final judgement. They hopefully have far more insight in RegulusHR's activities and I hope they will come with decision that is the best for our forum.

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January 16, 2019, 08:56:56 PM
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Nothing any of us say here can take away the fact that Regulus did copy/paste those posts. He knows it as well and didn't try to hide it which makes his ban appeal different from all those 'why did i get banned - I didn't do anything wrong' threads. The two posts in question are from Sep and Dec 2017, so one might argue that it was a long time ago, if that makes a difference.

No matter what the decision turns out to be two things remain certain.
1. Regulus copy/pasted.
2. He was/is a very influential and valuable member of the Croatian subforum.

Someone mentioned that he organised a meetup with members of the local forum, here is some more info about that.
A member of our forum started a contest where members could post jokes and whichever jokes he found to be the best won prices. Prices included Bitcoin and Tezos. Regulus was one of the winners. He used that bitcoin to organise a meetup with members of the forum in Zagreb and treated them to food and drinks. I am sure that who ever came to that meetup was not there because of Regulus - the merit source but because of Regulus the guy who shared his winnings with unknown members of an Internet forum.

Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.
This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

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January 16, 2019, 09:27:33 PM
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Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.
This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

It is up to moderators to decide what is the best for forum, not us.

I hope that temporary ban for contributing member is enough to give us all a lesson.

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January 17, 2019, 08:30:51 AM
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Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.

I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough. I'm sure the community would vote for him over his merits.
But yes, after reading the last few pages here, I agree it seems highly unlikely. I have a feeling our opinions are worth s**t all.

Everything has been resolved. The user broke the rule several times and has thus faced consequences. Stop wasting time with your "argued discussion". If you want to discuss what kind of consequence plagiarism should have, then go to a  thread discussing that.

But was it resolved? All we heard so far is 'unlikely'. It is the same story as when we asked for a moderator. 5 pages without any conclusions, without anybody saying anything concrete and definitive, like you are all waiting for a topic to die out. If it truly has been resolved, please tell us so we stop wasting our time here. I will most definitely not spam the topic if you have made a decision. The thing is - you did not. At least you did not tell us what it is. I do not even know who makes these decisions.

Permaban with a option to appeal is fine unless/until a more lenient but equally consistent approach is developed - e.g. permaban for ranks below Sr and permanent signature ban for Sr and above.

Ok, agreed, that is why we are here. But if the rule is permaban with an option to appeal and so far only 1 permaban has been removed based on appeal, then there's something wrong with implementing these rules. Wouldn't you agree?

I strongly believe that anyone doing this does, and will continue tagging people (where it makes sense; e.g. not new spambots) for it. You can repeat your opinion a hundred times using 100 friends from the local section, it won't matter. People who are almost never involved outside of their respective local sections have no say in what constitutes a proper trust rating as they usually have no knowledge or experience with any of this.

See, this here is just extremely funny. I do not know who a trustworthy person is because I do not spend enough time on an internet forum? There is life outside of BTT, it is truly shocking that somebody believes they have better knowledge of people because they scan the forum day after day. Your knowledge of the rules is superior, your experience with spammers is superior, but that's exactly why we are here. Hopefully, based on your experience, you can understand this is not a usual spamming case, half of our community is here expressing opinions and vouching for RegulusHR.
So, basically, what you are saying is that you do not trust a person whose posts you probably do not read day after day (I have not seen you on local boards at all), you do not trust us who are here in numbers defending him and explaining who he is, but you believe in strict forum rules and abide by them? Isn't one of those rules the rule to appeal a permanent ban and to be judged fairly?

You can state your opinion as many times as you want, it's just that nobody in their right mind is going to give a single quack about it.

And this is just plain wrong. I, for one, give a quack about his opinion, much more than I give about yours, because he is a guy from a local board who I communicate with regularly.

To summarize - I feel that as a community we have voiced our opinion clearly. RegulusHR spends all his time there, we know who he is and that he is trustworthy, we feel a huge injustice is being made because of a c/p made ages ago. He even admitted it, apologized and said he will strive to do better. He truly is one of the most respected members we have, all we ask is to study this case properly and not reject it in advance because the rules say all copy-pasting is punished equally.

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Would You, my-local-people, agree to un-ban account, disable signature and remove regulus from merit source? It's not that it's going to happen anyway.
This would be an interesting poll, we should make it. Would you, Regulus want that?

I have no problem with not wearing the signature while I'm in punishment or wearing a signature with a warning I have been punished, for the repayment of my sins.
I do not even think that something should change significantly in the forum, for the purpose of such penalty. Let the administrators specify the public term of the sentence. I'll get back to Lauda to consider removing the negative thrust when the sentence expires. I hope you find it acceptable?

Removing me from the merit source.
No problem. I do not see that as reward is given to me. I applied for this position because I wanted somehow to contribute to the local community.
Because the daily reading of the Croatian local forum and selecting one or two post that deserve to be merited and so a year is not a light task at all. Because the 1.5 merit per day I had is not enough merit for all posts who deserve merit.
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It can be rule only for a new cases, or recent (last a 30 days for example).

I don't think you understand what's going on here. 5000+ users are banned every month, most of them for plagiarism. A "two strikes" policy would require lots of resources to keep up and would at least double the effort needed to remove 99%+ of plagiarizers who are serial offenders.

Ok, agreed, that is why we are here. But if the rule is permaban with an option to appeal and so far only 1 permaban has been removed based on appeal, then there's something wrong with implementing these rules. Wouldn't you agree?

I would not agree, mainly because the highlighted statement has the same validity as the early claims in this thread that the OP plagiarised only once, and is borderline fallacy. Multiple bans have been removed, not that the number is important here. There is no quota that a certain percentage of appeals has to succeed. The appeal system is clunky but it works despite being made into a DDOS weapon by shitposters who waste staff's time with frivolous appeals. But the legitimate ones are being heard and I'm quite certain that the OP's complaint will be seen by a global mod or an admin.

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January 17, 2019, 02:27:24 PM
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I would not agree, mainly because the highlighted statement has the same validity as the early claims in this thread that the OP plagiarised only once, and is borderline fallacy. Multiple bans have been removed, not that the number is important here. There is no quota that a certain percentage of appeals has to succeed. The appeal system is clunky but it works despite being made into a DDOS weapon by shitposters who waste staff's time with frivolous appeals. But the legitimate ones are being heard and I'm quite certain that the OP's complaint will be seen by a global mod or an admin.

OK, this is good news then. I read somewhere that it was done only once (written by a highly rated member) and took it as a fact. My apologies.
If the rules are not as strict as I initially thought and if somebody will look into this thoroughly, that's all we can ask at this moment.


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At will of RegulusHr, he can send a PM to administrator theymos with the link to this topic.

I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough.
Imho OP in no position to bargain here and he must accept all restrictions.


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I think not being able to wear a signature ever again is a step too far, lifting the ban and removing him as a merit source seems like enough.
Imho OP in no position to bargain here and he must accept all restrictions.
I agree that he isn't in the position to bargain, but that doesn't mean that we cannot say what would be, in our opinion, the adequate punishment for his mistakes. Admins will decide, but maybe, just maybe, they would like to here our opinion. I'm one of those guys who knows what RegulusHr did for the community and why we strongly support him. We are not here to cry for our merit sources and no one (including the OP) care about that now. Some of you said something like "in the past it was like this or like that...". I believe you, but that doesn't mean that we cannot improve things and this is a perfect opportunity to think about that.
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Is there anything new about this ban appeal? Is anyone even considering this topic?
I want to know decision on this subject.
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February 24, 2019, 06:06:09 PM
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OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.



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February 24, 2019, 06:08:00 PM
 #75

OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.

Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

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February 24, 2019, 06:16:02 PM
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Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Regarding the part I have put in bold from Theymos post.
I sort of hoped we managed to convince the forum about RegulusHR positive influence in Croatian Local section. He would probably have better chance for lifting a ban if he was more active in English sections. This way you guys can only judge by the support he received from our section.

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February 24, 2019, 07:05:32 PM
 #77

OK, it seems rules regarding permaban changed recently: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113767.msg49896676#msg49896676
so I hope that admin will reconsider this permaban case.

Nothing changed. Keep reading the thread.

There's been no policy change. redsn0w wasn't permanently banned due to several factors which made me think that permabanning him would be a net negative for the forum. Nobody is banned strictly because of "the rules"; it's always handled case-by-case, but almost always, plagiarists deserve to be permabanned.

If you think that a ban should be ended, make your case in a new topic from a "good for the forum as a whole" perspective.

Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.



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February 24, 2019, 07:07:26 PM
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Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.
Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

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February 26, 2019, 10:19:01 AM
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Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";
Thanks for advice, I hope that will help something in this case.
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February 26, 2019, 02:34:55 PM
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Doesn't matter.
Regulus is very well respected member of our community and we will continue to fight for him.
As you can see, this permaban happened almost 2 months ago but we still didn't forget him and continue to support him.
How many other such cases you know?
I hope that soon or later admins will reconsider their decision and answer RegulusHr.
Then, you or anyone else should create a thread that shows how RegulusHr is - as theymos says - "good for the forum as a whole";

OK, when I find time, I will research his posts on the forum and prepare links which can prove that his contribution here was: "good for the forum as a whole" Smiley
Just, I don't see reason to start new thread about it, I will post it here, so that admins can review his case again and decide.



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