DT2 SUCHMOON ABUSE.Who voted him into trust circle ?

[itomarketing]

Who voted Suchmoon as DT2 member ?

He is clearly abusing his power.He is first tagging to defame and afterwards search for any reason.Since there was no valid one he is trying hard to find any.
I would like to ask who voted him in to devote him so he takes full responsibility for his actions.
Should DT1 members not punish that abuse i will count these DT1 members as protecters of abusers and post their names publicly.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5100071.msg49341444#msg49341444

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[cryptohunter]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

A DT1 i believe



TMAN - self confessed abuser of the trust system and implicated in extortion scheme with owlcatz lauda
Lauda - proven liar, scam promoter/protector ..implicated in extortion scheme with owlcatz and tman ... some people say escrow mishandling
yogg - imbecile and trust abuser
owlcatz - trust abuser and implicated in extortion scheme with lauda and tman
The Pharmacist- proven racist trolling sock puppet sig spammer
marlboroza - possible trust abuser not sure

suchmoon you can see supports many of these too although he is in full knowledge of their untrustworthy behaviour.

however of course all DTs should be made to review factual evidence of other DT's untrustworthy behaviour and continued support therefore means they are untrustworthy.

Any DT refusing to review facts based evidence of wrong doing or untrustworthy behaviour by other DTs needs to be black listed for the safety of the forum..

Anyone disputing the facts here can ask for evidence or supply their own evidence as a refutation of my claims here.

Just providing factual information to this thread.

[bones261]

Suchmoon is now a DT1 member. You can go to this thread to learn how the new process to select DT members works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Unfortunately for you, in order to get Suchmoon out, you will have to harass more than a handful of members.  

[cryptohunter]

Suchmoon is now a DT1 member. You can go to this thread to learn how the new process to select DT members works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Unfortunately for you, in order to get Suchmoon out, you will have to harass more than a handful of members.  

The word harass is not really suitable.

It is like claiming I must harass the police to get them to review factual evidence that I have been burgled with accompanying factual evidence of whom burgled me.

Bones here refuses to review observable facts that prove DT1 member is a liar.

So we must analyse his posts carefully to check for subjective and misleading information.

Next you'll be employing the broken logic of yogg, lauda tman and owlcatz


Apparently if you are on a bus and someone grabs your phone and starts to walk away. You shout out give that back else I will call the police and tell other people you stole my phone.. 

According to yogg you are now a blackmailer and and if you were to report this incident to the police they would lock you up. You would be allowed one phone call ... to the thief presumably on his nice new phone to apologise and check it is all working to his satisfaction. LOL

This is the kind of reasoning, morals and collusion you are dealing with here. Therefore expect zero support because those that are not fully part of this group of colluding untrustworthy scoundrels are totally scared of them and will not even review or comment on observable events that prove wrong doing.

[S_Therapist]

Do you know what theymos said about Lauda? If not, I request you to read the DefaultTrust threads.
What makes suchmoon on DT1 is-
He leaves valid feedback which is helpful to the forum members. If you do it, you also can be a DT1 member. And if you have problem with his feedback, put a tilde(~) before  his name on your trust list. Problem solved. That's how you can change the so called "DT ABUSE".

[bones261]

Suchmoon is now a DT1 member. You can go to this thread to learn how the new process to select DT members works. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview
Unfortunately for you, in order to get Suchmoon out, you will have to harass more than a handful of members.  

The word harass is not really suitable.

It is like claiming I must harass the police to get them to review factual evidence that I have been burgled with accompanying factual evidence of whom burgled me.

Bones here refuses to review observable facts that prove DT1 member is a liar.

So we must analyse his posts carefully to check for subjective and misleading information.

Next you'll be employing the broken logic of yogg, lauda tman and owlcatz


Apparently if you are on a bus and someone grabs your phone and starts to walk away. You shout out give that back else I will call the police and tell other people you stole my phone.. 

According to yogg you are now a blackmailer and and if you were to report this incident to the police they would lock you up. You would be allowed one phone call ... to the thief presumably on his nice new phone to apologise and check it is all working to his satisfaction. LOL

This is the kind of reasoning, morals and collusion you are dealing with here. Therefore expect zero support because those that are not fully part of this group of colluding untrustworthy scoundrels are totally scared of them and will not even review or comment on observable events that prove wrong doing.

When it comes to Lauda, why don't you present your evidence to someone with a little more clout than silly old me? Maybe Greg Maxwell or someone else. 

[cryptohunter]

Do you know what theymos said about Lauda? If not, I request you to read the DefaultTrust threads.
What makes suchmoon on DT1 is-
He leaves valid feedback which is helpful to the forum members. If you do it, you also can be a DT1 member. And if you have problem with his feedback, put a tilde(~) before  his name on your trust list. Problem solved. That's how you can change the so called "DT ABUSE".

Incorrect you can not change the DT abuse unless you have the support of 2 or more with 250 earned merits those are they key positions in the DT system. Those people are main abusers of the merit system and now the DT system. The new DT system could have been okay but they broke it worse by adding that earned merit threshold.

[DarkStar_]

Who voted Suchmoon as DT2 member ?

suchmoon: 23
    Trusted by:
        dooglus
        qwk
        Vod
        TMAN
        Lauda
        vizique
        Blazed
        yogg
        hilariousandco
        cryptodevil
        owlcatz
        tmfp
        yahoo62278
        actmyname
        The Pharmacist
        DarkStar_
        marlboroza
        Lafu
        Hhampuz
        xtraelv
        Halab
        iasenko
        asche
        Coolcryptovator
        ICOEthics

Distrusted by:
    OgNasty
    TheFuzzStone

Have fun convincing 25 members.

[bones261]

Do you know what theymos said about Lauda? If not, I request you to read the DefaultTrust threads.
What makes suchmoon on DT1 is-
He leaves valid feedback which is helpful to the forum members. If you do it, you also can be a DT1 member. And if you have problem with his feedback, put a tilde(~) before  his name on your trust list. Problem solved. That's how you can change the so called "DT ABUSE".

Incorrect you can not change the DT abuse unless you have the support of 2 or more with 250 earned merits. Those people are main abusers of the merit system and now the DT system. The new DT system could have been okay but they broke it worse by adding that earned merit threshold.

Why? It is good that some of the OG regulars on the WO thread, who could give two shits about what goes on here in Meta, can add whoever they want.

[S_Therapist]

Do you know what theymos said about Lauda? If not, I request you to read the DefaultTrust threads.
What makes suchmoon on DT1 is-
He leaves valid feedback which is helpful to the forum members. If you do it, you also can be a DT1 member. And if you have problem with his feedback, put a tilde(~) before  his name on your trust list. Problem solved. That's how you can change the so called "DT ABUSE".

Incorrect you can not change the DT abuse unless you have the support of 2 or more with 250 earned merits those are they key positions in the DT system. Those people are main abusers of the merit system and now the DT system. The new DT system could have been okay but they broke it worse by adding that earned merit threshold.

You will also get support if you leave valid feedback. Coolcryptovator is not here from a long time. But he is in DT1 member if I am correct, what makes him DT1? Isn't because he leaves valid feedback towards other people? Despite having negative trust from him, I still set him as DT0 in my trust list because I know he leaves valid feedback. If you also provide valid feedback, you will also be included by others and that's how suchmoon was also included. Why are you messing it up with your imagined "Circle"? Well, everyone is free to think.

[itomarketing]

Just saw the system.
WTF who implemented such a stupid system.
No wonder Lauda and his gang took over control of DT members since they place now majority of their own people into DT and detrust their enemies.
A more stupid system wasn't possible ?

That gang pushing each other so even if they abuse there is no chance anymore to hold them repsonsible since they control the majority.
You just need to look at the DT members who have other opinion than Lauda and you instantly see his whole group instantly distrusting.

Its a clear power fight.
Am really asking myself wtf theymos is doing.His execution are so full of crap.
Is he blind?

[cryptohunter]

Do you know what theymos said about Lauda? If not, I request you to read the DefaultTrust threads.
What makes suchmoon on DT1 is-
He leaves valid feedback which is helpful to the forum members. If you do it, you also can be a DT1 member. And if you have problem with his feedback, put a tilde(~) before  his name on your trust list. Problem solved. That's how you can change the so called "DT ABUSE".

Incorrect you can not change the DT abuse unless you have the support of 2 or more with 250 earned merits those are they key positions in the DT system. Those people are main abusers of the merit system and now the DT system. The new DT system could have been okay but they broke it worse by adding that earned merit threshold.

You will also get support if you leave valid feedback. Coolcryptovator is not here from a long time. But he is in DT1 member if I am correct, what makes him DT1? Isn't because he leaves valid feedback towards other people? Despite having negative trust from him, I still set him as DT0 in my trust list because I know he leaves valid feedback. If you also provide valid feedback, you will also be included by others and that's how suchmoon was also included. Why are you messing it up with your imagined "Circle"? Well, everyone is free to think.

The stats prove merit is cycled
Bpip demonstrates this group cycles it
DT support lists demonstrates this group includes excludes as a group to a large extent
DT key positions are the earned 250 merits ... cycled merits very useful here

Not hard to understand there is no imagination required.

[Quickseller]

Who voted Suchmoon as DT2 member ?

suchmoon: 23
    Trusted by:
        [...](25 people)

Distrusted by:
   [...](2 people)

Have fun convincing 25 members.

I am not sure where you got 25 from.

In order to be on DT1, you must be trusted by 10 people with at least 10 merit, one of which must have 250 merit, both ignoring merit sent by the person, assuming you are not blacklisted by theymos.

Only one person needs to be convinced, theymos, as he can blacklist suchmoon from being on DT1. Otherwise, 15 people will need to remove suchmoon from their trust lists.

It would probably be best for her not to be in a position of authority, as she appears to always side with those with more power in disputes. Also, she does not appear to have any kind of trading history, nor currently is active in trading, which effectively removes any consequences to her receiving any retaliatory ratings.

[JusticeForYou]

It would probably be best for her not to be in a position of authority, as she appears to always side with those with more power in disputes. Also, she does not appear to have any kind of trading history, nor currently is active in trading, which effectively removes any consequences to her receiving any retaliatory ratings.

I would hopefully agree with you on this as @suchmoon has sent a very irrational and evidence less negative feedback on the OP. You just cannot say 2 persons are equal if they have a bit similarity's in spacing and paragraph formations as there are many people here who could have similarly in writing or could have been inspired by others to write in there fashion.

I personally think the negative feedback is fact less and there should be more clear proofs of being guilty before tagging anyone as an alt.

[Quickseller]

It would probably be best for her not to be in a position of authority, as she appears to always side with those with more power in disputes. Also, she does not appear to have any kind of trading history, nor currently is active in trading, which effectively removes any consequences to her receiving any retaliatory ratings.

I would hopefully agree with you on this as @suchmoon has sent a very irrational and evidence less negative feedback on the OP. You just cannot say 2 persons are equal if they have a bit similarity's in spacing and paragraph formations as there are many people here who could have similarly in writing or could have been inspired by others to write in there fashion.

I personally think the negative feedback is fact less and there should be more clear proofs of being guilty before tagging anyone as an alt.

Right, unless there is some undisclosed evidence, the evidence suchmoon has only shows the OP likely lives/lived in the same general area as the person the OP is being accused an alt of.

Being that the OP effectively has no power, any retaliatory feedback the OP gives will do nothing.

All this ignores the fact that the person the OP is being accused being an alt of has negative trust for very shaky reasons in the first place.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You just cannot say 2 persons are equal if they have a bit similarity's in spacing and paragraph formations as there are many people here who could have similarly in writing or could have been inspired by others to write in there fashion.

Certainly there's a chance that Thule is the wrong alt, but OP admitted to being an alt of someone here and clearly that someone has a huge gripe with Lauda and other DT members.  Add that to the similar language oddities, and it really isn't that far of a stretch.  OP said his main account was Legendary, while Thule is a Sr. Member--but who knows how many accounts he has, anyway?  

My guess is that OP's main account is already tagged by DT and he therefore doesn't have much to lose by posting with it.  I think he just wants to play the victim, having to create a new account so that those evil DT members won't give him a neg *such injustice!  much victim!*.

Don't be fooled by the illusion of all these noob accounts who seem to be supporting the anti-DT trolling campaign.  Expect to see more of them emerge.  You can count on that.  Cryptohunter et al see that they're not getting any genuine support for their arguments, so they have to knit some socks.  It's transparent, and it would be laughable if it weren't so insulting that they think the community is stupid enough to fall for it.

Being that the OP effectively has no power, any retaliatory feedback the OP gives will do nothing.

The OP is an admitted alt account and registered yesterday.  Do you think he did anything that would earn him any respect/trust/power?

All this ignores the fact that the person the OP is being accused being an alt of has negative trust for very shaky reasons in the first place.

If you're talking about Thule, it's not surprising you'd disagree with the trust he got.  He's an account seller, which is what I tagged him for.  Other DT members tagged him for that and for misusing the trust system and threatening behavior.  Anyone reading this is welcome to see for themselves.

[bones261]

Yes, let's get out the posse and bring suchmoon to justice for improperly tagging a throw away noob account.   

Perhaps we can try suchmoon in one of those kangaroo courts crytohunter has set up in reputation. You know, the ones where only the accused and accusers are allowed to show up. all advocate responses are deleted.

[JusticeForYou]

My guess is that OP's main account is already tagged by DT and he therefore doesn't have much to lose by posting with it.  I think he just wants to play the victim, having to create a new account so that those evil DT members won't give him a neg *such injustice!  much victim!*.

Don't be fooled by the illusion of all these noob accounts who seem to be supporting the anti-DT trolling campaign.  Expect to see more of them emerge.  You can count on that.  Cryptohunter et al see that they're not getting any genuine support for their arguments, so they have to knit some socks.  It's transparent, and it would be laughable if it weren't so insulting that they think the community is stupid enough to fall for it.

I respect your thoughts as most of the time they are satisfactory and straight forward, also I am not being fooled in anyway by the DT- trolling happening lately in meta and other parts of the forum. I would rather give a personal opinion which I think has a sense of Justice in it.

Firstly we don't have specific rules for neg-tag which is a very big problem for now as most of the negative feedbacks are posted with not enough proof or not under any universal value. This not only makes DT look harassing and monopolized to others but also makes people think that it's just a group of people imposing rules for profitable gains or power. But if a forum endorsed set of rules for tagging would be applied here it would just put a stop to the troll as no one would directly oppose the administration as its there show already.

This case too refers to the same thing as there is no base for the neg-tag. OP thinks its a abuse of trust system and the person who tagged thinks he is right at his own set of rules to tag which he has in mind.

[Quickseller]

Being that the OP effectively has no power, any retaliatory feedback the OP gives will do nothing.

The OP is an admitted alt account and registered yesterday.  Do you think he did anything that would earn him any respect/trust/power?

The OP being an "admitted alt" is not evidence of guilt, nor wrongdoing. It is certainly plausible he is an alt of a reputable person afraid of negative consequences for being critical of Suchmoon (the question of if this fear is based on actual instances of Suchmoon engaging in this kind of behavior is another discussion).

No, the OP has not done anything for him to gain respect/trust/power -- this point was made in regards to theymos' comment that controversial ratings should carry an actual risk/cost by way of a retaliatory rating, and there does not appear to be any risk/cost to suchmoon in this case.

All this ignores the fact that the person the OP is being accused being an alt of has negative trust for very shaky reasons in the first place.

If you're talking about Thule, it's not surprising you'd disagree with the trust he got.  He's an account seller, which is what I tagged him for.  Other DT members tagged him for that and for misusing the trust system and threatening behavior.  Anyone reading this is welcome to see for themselves.

No, it should not be surprising I disagree with the underlying rating (at least in regards to the rating you left). Similarly, it is not surprising to me you left the rating you did. You think the sale of accounts allows scams to happen (and otherwise harms the forum), and I believe the sale of accounts makes it more difficult for certain scams to happen -- this is a difference of opinion, and I don't think you leave these ratings to help your business, nor to harm the forum. I am happy to discuss this somewhere else if you wish, however I doubt I will change your mind, and you probably will not change my mind.

I am a little more concerned about the rating Suchmoon left

Doesn't seem to be playing with a full deck. Abuses trust feedback and lives in alternate reality. Avoid any deals with this clown.

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[electronicash]

Firstly we don't have specific rules for reg-tag which is a very big problem for now as most of the negative feedbacks are posted with not enough proof or not under any universal value.

they do have proof and sometimes its self inflicted.  a guy confessing he has alt and later discovered he sent merits to his alt is just one of the evidence.