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February 01, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
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I find here a discussion about a reporter badge, as far as I understand, it could be accomplished soon. When we are talking about improving the forum in this way, can we have a badge for banned accounts visible to all members?
There are several reasons for this, for example, if I find "compromised post" of banned account I do not need to report them again, someone has already done this and the admin has responded. If they offer any service, the greater the chance that people will be careful to make any deal from there. Banned accounts can no longer be used for bounty or airdrop.
This badge can be linked to the reference of why they are banned, could facilitate or at least simplify the arrangements to many topics here "Why is my acc. was banned" or "request to unban my account "

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February 01, 2019, 01:36:11 PM
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Already suggested many times but maybe theymos don't want to do it.

Edit: You can see that suggestion here as well
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February 01, 2019, 01:37:25 PM
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We already discussed about it on the Seeking reporter badge images. You need to have patience mate. Theymos is still working on the reporting badge my guess, once he will be done with this then he will look for the other fixes improvements/decorations Grin

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February 01, 2019, 01:48:08 PM
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We already discussed about it on the Seeking reporter badge images. You need to have patience mate. Theymos is still working on the reporting badge my guess, once he will be done with this then he will look for the other fixes improvements/decorations Grin

Okay. I know about reporters mark discussion, probably I miss posts where are talking about marking banned accounts. I do need more than a reporter decorations Wink

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February 01, 2019, 01:55:49 PM
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I find here a discussion about a reporter badge, as far as I understand, it could be accomplished soon. When we are talking about improving the forum in this way, can we have a badge for banned accounts visible to all members?
There are several reasons for this, for example, if I find "compromised post" of banned account I do not need to report them again, someone has already done this and the admin has responded. If they offer any service, the greater the chance that people will be careful to make any deal from there. Banned accounts can no longer be used for bounty or airdrop.
This badge can be linked to the reference of why they are banned, could facilitate or at least simplify the arrangements to many topics here "Why is my acc. was banned" or "request to unban my account "

Have even created a separate topic on this problem: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5083815.0

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February 01, 2019, 03:35:58 PM
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You should still report posts that break the rules even if the account is banned... Just because they can't offend now doesn't mean the damage has not already been done...

I don't think giving someone a link as ot why their account is banned. They'll still make an alt to try to appeal it and probably won't click the links. It would be good to make it so that guests can't see ban appeal threads Grin (then there might be less made)...

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February 01, 2019, 03:49:25 PM
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The suggestion to mark the banned users does make sense in order for those who report offenders to see it and not waste time to check their post history in search for plagiarised content.
But, I also understand why the administration has not or don't want to implement this.
Take the following into consideration. Just because a member got banned for plagiarising content doesn't meant that all his other posts that are not plagiarised are not worth anything and have no significant quality. Quite the contrary, a user could have 1000 good posts and 2 plagiarised posts that he got banned for. Now, if we put a banned sign next to his name he will be tagged as a cheater or scammer and nobody will consider anything he has written in the past in all his good posts. You see? That is a problem. Even if someone got banned he could have still made good contributions that should be taken into consideration. But with a banner next to his name - nobody will anymore. I am not talking about bounty campaign copy/pasters and their posting history, this doesn't apply to them.  

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February 01, 2019, 04:18:37 PM
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This badge can be linked to the reference of why they are banned, could facilitate or at least simplify the arrangements to many topics here "Why is my acc. was banned" or "request to unban my account "
This proposal and discussion, there is already a request to be applied:
Topic: What if someone is wrongfully banned for plagiarism?

Current rules:
Q: Why was my account banned?
A: You probably have broken one of the rules. Try emailing a message to the specified appeal email shown in your ban message.

In this case, the @theymos has rules for appeal with gmail.
Topic: Recovering hacked/lost accounts

quote author=theymos
If you get a message similar to "your account is locked"
You should be given an email address in the error message. Send an email there and you will be given further instructions.
If you are banned
Your ban message may have an email address which you can email. If not, then appeals are unlikely to be accepted.


No, making a new account is an error, of course every account (blocked) is clearly an error made by those who get the ban.
Example:
1. Coppy/paste,
2. plagiarism,
3. Alt account,
3. etc.

Current rules:
25. If you get banned (temporarily or permanently) and create a new account to continue posting / sending PMs, it's considered ban evasion. The only exception is creating a thread in Meta about your ban.

So according to my thinking why this was not responded to by the admin,
By reason, every account is blocked, if the admin creates a new thread like the Meta forum, 1000 blocked accounts will grow 1000 again with a new account, to discuss "why is my account banned". so what the admin does is useless no results.
In my opinion, why is it not responded to to make a topic or child account discussion blocked.

Note:
Every admin makes a decision for a blocked account that is final and cannot be changed, on the basis of violating one of the forum rules.

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Perhaps we should decide for ourselves whether to read and trust people who are banned, don't you think? I don't care if you have 1-5-10 copied posts, just won a Pulitzer or whatever, plagiarists in my eyes are cheaters and people should be at least warned. Anyway, banned accounts data is public, it doesn't have to be a big red banner BANNED, anything simplistic, 10x10 pixel sign would be more than sufficient.



I also have a suggestion in regards to permabanned accounts. When they receive their ban, their signature is automatically removed, but their avatar remains. Wouldn't it make sense to also be removed? More often than not these profiles have an image of a scam ICO, I don't know...it feels kinda wrong. A free post-mortem advertisement. Just take it away along with their sig space.

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Of course you have the right to decide for yourself but tagging those accounts with a banner/sign/whatever will influence the decision whether or not you should trust the posts and follow the guidelines in it because the user got banned.

Rhetorically, lets say you are searching the forum for topics related to charts, reading charts and trading advice. And you find a great thread that explains everything you need to know about what to look for in charts and how to be safe.
But the OP who wrote it got banned, and under his name there is a red banner that says BANNED! That banner will immediately influence your decision in trusting the information from his thread even though the information could be excellent. The OP can be a trading expert but also a user who plagiarised bounty content and got banned, therefore I think those two should be separated. 
And besides, you can always use bpip to see if an account is banned or not.

Regarding your 2nd suggestion about the automatic removal of avatars if an account is banned you are absolutely right. The avatar should be removed as well as the signature and I support that.

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February 02, 2019, 12:01:25 PM
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Of course you have the right to decide for yourself but tagging those accounts with a banner/sign/whatever will influence the decision whether or not you should trust the posts and follow the guidelines in it because the user got banned.

Rhetorically, lets say you are searching the forum for topics related to charts, reading charts and trading advice. And you find a great thread that explains everything you need to know about what to look for in charts and how to be safe.
But the OP who wrote it got banned, and under his name there is a red banner that says BANNED! That banner will immediately influence your decision in trusting the information from his thread even though the information could be excellent. The OP can be a trading expert but also a user who plagiarised bounty content and got banned, therefore I think those two should be separated. 
And besides, you can always use bpip to see if an account is banned or not.

Regarding your 2nd suggestion about the automatic removal of avatars if an account is banned you are absolutely right. The avatar should be removed as well as the signature and I support that.

it is difficult for me to imagine that someone who's an open great thread with all excellent information to be banned because of plagiarism. If anyone knows how to open such a thread and has enough knowledge and information, he probably knows a certain content taken over from the other side needs to be quoted or to specify the source.

I think it would be nice to have the option to ignore/unignore all banned accounts. So everyone could control whether he wants to read or not banned users.

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February 02, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
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it is difficult for me to imagine that someone who's an open great thread with all excellent information to be banned because of plagiarism.
There have been a couple of "high profile" users who have been banned in the past due to plagiarism. There have also been accounts which have made good posts in the past which are hacked and used by bounty spammers, which are then banned for spamming or plagiarism. Pmalek makes a good point, and it's the same logic that means trust is not displayed on every board - your decision and attitude towards that post/user would absolutely be prejudiced by a notification saying they were banned.

Having said that, the main reason I would like to see a banned notification is so I don't waste time investigating posts I suspect of plagiarism if the user is already banned. An easy way, I think, to reconcile these two points is simply to only display the banned notification to users who have >1000/3000/5000/whatever good reports.

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February 02, 2019, 06:40:44 PM
Last edit: February 02, 2019, 11:25:14 PM by Pmalek
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Yes, thank you. You seem to understand the point I was trying to make. There have also been cases fairly recently where members have been banned for posts written during 2017, from their 'early days' on the forum but have since posted good content. Their sentence is permanent ban so they have already been punished. Case closed.
Not visible trust ratings for proven scammers or hackers is a bigger concern. Those are the users that could run away with your money, hack your account or infect your devices. And if you are not registered or logged in to the forum you can come across one of their threads. They usually post their telegram/email details. You contact them since you cant see their trust rating, and after that you are in for some trouble.

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February 03, 2019, 01:21:50 PM
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How it worked years ago on a board I used to help mod there were 2 tiers of ‘ban’, each replaces the members rank as displayed and was separate from trust.

Teirs were;
Suspended - Temporary acces bar.
Permabanned - Access revoked permanently.


Trust was uses solely for reliability of market related conduct and suspensions as an indicator of adherence to forum/community rules.
Perma was for gross misconduct, fraud etc...

Not sure how something like that could scale to a forum of this size though. Just thoughts Smiley
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