Rambotic - need opinion from community

[Rambotnic]

marlboroza, sorry for delaying my answers to you but as you can see other people question things.
Lets get to the chat where you draw texts.

- they are looking for bribe ( of course they do, all scammers coming back to milk for more, you can call it whatever you like)
- they doing this to many big players ( yes all the scamming platforms, casinos and such trying to milk more of their victims, that's not something that people don't know)
- you know they won't turn back the funds if you don't pay them bribe, that's old tactic. (yes they will claim till the end you will receive your account only if you pay that money, it would be weird if they claim other)
- who contacted you ( standard question? )
- manager? ceo? owner? ( finally i got it after the 3rd guess, im not so bad as you claiming)
- did he verify his self did he send you email or something ( standard question to make sure he know who contacted him)
- what's the email, what's the email he used to give you his telegram? ( sadly i didn't check in that time their public email from thread, that's why i was not able to confirm that's email used from some of their team)
- alright so there is solution (there is always hope for solution)
- anyway, if i help you get the account back will you pay me 0.1 btc? (yeah i respect my time, sorry...)
- alright then listen me (ok)
- don't gift them those money for free ( which idiot will let 38btc just go away like that? of course i will give him courage)
- go tell this guy you don't have 5btc ( standard start for negotiation. wining time is the first and most important thing)
-  they locked your account for money ( obviously? )
- and start with lower, but as everyone else, if you don't give them money, they wont give your account back ( of course he should start paying by their rules or at least make them think like that)
- they always lock accounts for  money ( well, lock, steal, hold or whatever you like to call it, the scamming platforms doing it for money)
- check the forum, you will see that casinos doing that to many people, in the end you have no other option than deal with them if you want to have your stuff back ( well, actually no one else than them have his account in hold right? no matter what in the end he should always talk, deal or do anything with them because they are the holders of the keys)

- and i really suggest you to talk with this person (of course! how he could gather and collect information by other way? how he would win time and keep the scammer in chat and in believes he's under control?)
- look i dont want your money ( finally i realized he's not interested paying me 0.1btc for my help and i realized the time wasting here)
- you need to at least talk with them ( for sure he needs, if he have brain to win time, collect information and everything, at least without my help, he should try to help himself right?)


mikeywith, the bad part is i should defend my self for trying to do the right thing
because no one understand standard police strategy of catching/exposing scammers/fraudsters, i should explain something that all scam busters should know.

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[khaled0111]

- He contacted me, i didn't. He added me in telegram, not me.

i contacted the OP (ginalli) to ask him few questions (of course not private) and seems like cloudbet is asking for bribe

i did contact the guy from my PM's -> http://prntscr.com/mg6k0f

- I never said that the person who send him email were person from the casino

I clearly said they will ask you for bribe because that's what all scamming casinos do.

actually i stated few times that should be cleared with the offer with "escrow" trap

Lying again, you never adviced him to use an escrow.

[Rambotnic]

Again for those who didn't read
I contacted the guy over pm asking him for his telegram.
Meanwhile before he even answer me, he added me in telegram.
So i contacted him first via pm without sharing my telegram.
And he contacted me first in telegram without having it from me.

khaled0111 you are retarded for sure... where you see me saying i stated usage of escrow to him ?
or you like to quote things which being said to someone else not claiming to be said to the "victim"?
use your "quotes" right to realize to who and where i said that.
but you are to busy to play "interested" instead of reading the thread and follow the conversation
please, stop being excited and follow the conversation so you don't get confused

[suchmoon]

but you are to busy to play "interested" instead of reading the thread and follow the conversation
please, stop being excited and follow the conversation so you don't get confused

It's impossible to follow the thread when you're making such a mess of it, not to mention that the stuff you're saying here seems to be very different from what you told ginalli on telegram.

It doesn't make any sense that you had this great plan to expose the scammers and never mentioned it to ginalli. You should have started with that - "hey, let's try to string these scammers along". Instead you made yourself sound like a scammer. The more you post here the less I believe you and it wasn't a lot to begin with.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The more you post here the less I believe you and it wasn't a lot to begin with.

That's because

You're just making this up as you go along.  None of this was ever discussed with the victim, only what you wanted to get out of it and your suggestion that he pay the extortion/ransom that the perpetrator demanded.

And to anyone who questions my tag on Rambotnic, it's not for suspicion of him being in on the scam; it's for the part I've bolded.  It's pretty clear to me that he's still manufacturing excuses as to why he did what he did, trying to sound plausible--and when that fails, he goes on the attack or plays the victim card.  That's all I have to say about this for now.  I'd love to see others chime in on this, DT or not.

[Rambotnic]

but you are to busy to play "interested" instead of reading the thread and follow the conversation
please, stop being excited and follow the conversation so you don't get confused

It's impossible to follow the thread when you're making such a mess of it, not to mention that the stuff you're saying here seems to be very different from what you told ginalli on telegram.

It doesn't make any sense that you had this great plan to expose the scammers and never mentioned it to ginalli. You should have started with that - "hey, let's try to string these scammers along". Instead you made yourself sound like a scammer. The more you post here the less I believe you and it wasn't a lot to begin with.

Sorry, i never sounded like scammer.
I might sound like a person who wanted to earn money from the situation, but not as scammer
TP, you are liar and abuser. You called me scammer for no reason which is blatant lie.
You tagging me because i wanted to make money of someone from situation like any lawyer won't make the same.
You letting people selling illegal stuff on this forum because the forum rules allowing it but not letting someone to earn money honestly.
I am not here to defend myself because i never did anything wrong, i am here to explain people who don't understand why i wanted to earn 0.1btc.
Also now i am facing the DT abuse from everywhere

With your attitude and actions, you guys making the legit and normal people to start using the forum like those people who violate rules but no one touching them.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You tagging me because i wanted to make money of someone from situation like any lawyer won't make the same.
You letting people selling illegal stuff on this forum because the forum rules allowing it but not letting someone to earn money honestly.
I am not here to defend myself because i never did anything wrong, i am here to explain people who don't understand why i wanted to earn 0.1btc.

You're not a lawyer or a victim--you're a parasitic, opportunistic scumbag and have been appropriately tagged.  As for the bolded part, I have no clue what you're talking about.  You tried to take advantage of someone who was in the process of getting scammed and somehow I'm the bad guy in all of this.  You need a reality check.

[Rambotnic]

You tagging me because i wanted to make money of someone from situation like any lawyer won't make the same.
You letting people selling illegal stuff on this forum because the forum rules allowing it but not letting someone to earn money honestly.
I am not here to defend myself because i never did anything wrong, i am here to explain people who don't understand why i wanted to earn 0.1btc.

You're not a lawyer or a victim--you're a parasitic, opportunistic scumbag and have been appropriately tagged.  As for the bolded part, I have no clue what you're talking about.  You tried to take advantage of someone who was in the process of getting scammed and somehow I'm the bad guy in all of this.  You need a reality check.

You are liar, trust abuser and a scammer.
I can be lawyer if i want, this is internet.  And especially when there is no way of me harming the people i am trying to help, i can be anything i want to.
You are trust abusing scumbag and liar calling me scammer.
Taking advantage of someone who was in process of getting scammed?
You are blatant retard who don't understand simple tactic which the police using since 200 years to catch fraudsters and scammers.
You need a reality check because you are virtual moron who actually doing nothing for the people on this forum but only circle of people.
You lying, abusing and spreading lies, you are the very worst person on this forum right after TMAN and owlcatz.
Not in last place, you courage people to buy accounts on this forum by ruining their legal way of making money.
We need less people like you on this forum but sadly someone let you in the DT.
But don't worry, things will never be the same, life is circle.
Someday karma will come after you, and your lies and abuse will hit you worse than you did to everyone around.

[HCP]

@Rambotnic,

Putting aside the whole "if I help, you pay me 0.1 BTC" thing for a moment, I still don't follow your "You need to pay a bribe to get back money that has already been stolen" logic.

Let us assume that <InsertOnlineCasino> is a scam, and is withholding 38 BTC of a players money... They have FULL control over this money, it is effectively already theirs. So, that being the case, why on earth would they suddenly give it back if you give them another 5 BTC? If you do that, then they'll have 43 BTC of your money and what do you have? The word of "extortionists" that they'll unlock your account?

Apparently Gino understands this... "But I am not a retard to send them more coins"... I don't understand why you don't?

At best, your efforts with this user amounted to REALLY bad advice.
At worst, it could be perceived that you were actively encouraging the user to pay even more money to scammers.

I would hope that your intentions were genuine... and that you sincerely thought you were helping... but sometimes the best thing you can do to help, is stay out of the way.

[Rambotnic]

@Rambotnic,

Putting aside the whole "if I help, you pay me 0.1 BTC" thing for a moment, I still don't follow your "You need to pay a bribe to get back money that has already been stolen" logic.

Let us assume that <InsertOnlineCasino> is a scam, and is withholding 38 BTC of a players money... They have FULL control over this money, it is effectively already theirs. So, that being the case, why on earth would they suddenly give it back if you give them another 5 BTC? If you do that, then they'll have 43 BTC of your money and what do you have? The word of "extortionists" that they'll unlock your account?

Apparently Gino understands this... "But I am not a retard to send them more coins"... I don't understand why you don't?

At best, your efforts with this user amounted to REALLY bad advice.
At worst, it could be perceived that you were actively encouraging the user to pay even more money to scammers.

I would hope that your intentions were genuine... and that you sincerely thought you were helping... but sometimes the best thing you can do to help, is stay out of the way.

Yet another guy who don't even care to read but repeat old stuff...
The idea of the "victim" was to confirm he would pay, not to do it.
He were so "interested" to take his 38btc back just for 0.1btc help, he didn't even wanted to continue the conversation and understand the strategy.
How the fuck i would know will they turn back the account, and even if they don't, then what profit this would bring me? It will waste my time obviously.
You understand nothing, why you trying to with closed eyes and ignorance?

[marlboroza]

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Which gambling site asked for bribe? Provide few examples.

The idea of the "victim" was to confirm he would pay, not to do it.

This is blatant lie. Stop twisting things.

I can be lawyer if i want, this is internet.

i can be anything i want to.

You can't. You can trick people to believe you that you are lawyer, but if you are not lawyer - you are not lawyer.

Sorry, i never sounded like scammer.

Actually, this is not correct. You sound exactly like one.

[Rambotnic]

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Which gambling site asked for bribe? Provide few examples.

The idea of the "victim" was to confirm he would pay, not to do it.

This is blatant lie. Stop twisting things.

I can be lawyer if i want, this is internet.

i can be anything i want to.

You can't. You can trick people to believe you that you are lawyer, but if you are not lawyer - you are not lawyer.

Sorry, i never sounded like scammer.

Actually, this is not correct. You sound exactly like one.

Why it should be gambling site? I consider scammers as scammers, no matter they are site, platform, persons.
All of them coming to milk more. You can call it bribe, mlk, scam more, or whatever suits you.
Blatant lie? Why you denying something you don't have enough brain to understand or use as strategy?
You calling the most old police tactic to defraud fraudsters and scammers a lie?
I really suggest you using google, its free and educating.
You will realize how most of the nigerian scammers were caught so far.
Trick people to believe i am lawyer? I don't need to trick anyone, in the end im getting paid only after complete job and only after he wants, i cannot force him even after i successfully complete the "job".
But yeah, i know how scammers operate so i could easy trick them to share information.
I sound like one ? Point me a single person lied or scammed by me.
I can't stop laugh at your bullshit
Every single person who deal with me here were suggested in first place to use escrow, in 99.99% of the cases even i cover the escrow fees.
If i wanted to scam people, i will simply open threads like every single scammer in the digital goods section with locked thread and autobuy link and never use escrow.
Do not judge people if you don't have enough IQ to understand what they are doing.
Speaking or writing better in English doesn't make you smarter than others and we both know it.

[marlboroza]

Thanks for wall of text  
You are avoiding question which is very important for conversation between you and "victim". So, lets get back to it:

Which gambling site asked for bribe? Provide few examples.

Why it should be gambling site?

Examples, please.

[Rambotnic]

Thanks for wall of text  
You are avoiding question which is very important for conversation between you and "victim". So, lets get back to it:

Which gambling site asked for bribe? Provide few examples.

Why it should be gambling site?

Examples, please.

Examples of how scammers coming back to milk for more?
Come in the next section in trading discussion, you will find pages of examples.

[suchmoon]

Examples of how scammers coming back to milk for more?

Not scammers. All casinos. Show us examples of each and every casino doing this.


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[mikeywith]

Examples of how scammers coming back to milk for more?

Not scammers. All casinos. Show us examples of each and every casino doing this.

The word "all" could have been a very poor choice of words , i'd let it pass and ask for "some". tho it won't make much difference .

[HCP]

Yet another guy who don't even care to read but repeat old stuff...

I am reading.

The idea of the "victim" was to confirm he would pay, not to do it.
He were so "interested" to take his 38btc back just for 0.1btc help, he didn't even wanted to continue the conversation and understand the strategy.

You keep claiming that he didn't want to pay, but as I showed in your other thread... looking at the chatlogs he said THREE times that he would pay (and pay as much as 3 BTC! )... but as soon as he said he wouldn't pay any more coins to the scammers,  all you did was say "I don't know what to say".

This is the part that I do not understand -> He said he would pay you... So why did you not tell him the full plan (ie. pretend that he would pay scammers, use escrow etc)?

You understand nothing, why you trying to with closed eyes and ignorance?

My eyes are very much open... That is why I do not accuse, but I ask questions. So, can you please answer my question above?

[Rambotnic]

Yet another guy who don't even care to read but repeat old stuff...

I am reading.

The idea of the "victim" was to confirm he would pay, not to do it.
He were so "interested" to take his 38btc back just for 0.1btc help, he didn't even wanted to continue the conversation and understand the strategy.

You keep claiming that he didn't want to pay, but as I showed in your other thread... looking at the chatlogs he said THREE times that he would pay (and pay as much as 3 BTC! )... but as soon as he said he wouldn't pay any more coins to the scammers,  all you did was say "I don't know what to say".

This is the part that I do not understand -> He said he would pay you... So why did you not tell him the full plan (ie. pretend that he would pay scammers, use escrow etc)?

You understand nothing, why you trying to with closed eyes and ignorance?

My eyes are very much open... That is why I do not accuse, but I ask questions. So, can you please answer my question above?

Your question already have answer.
Feel free to scroll and read.
If the OP censorship and deleted my post feel free to read here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5105765.0

[HCP]

I've read this entire thread. I even double checked to make sure I hadn't missed anything. You're avoiding answering my question, which makes me think you don't have an answer to it.

You make multiple claims that he didn't want to pay... when the chatlogs clearly show he said he would... do you deny this?

If so, do you have any further chatlogs that show he changed his mind and would not pay?

[Rambotnic]

I've read this entire thread. I even double checked to make sure I hadn't missed anything. You're avoiding answering my question, which makes me think you don't have an answer to it.

You make multiple claims that he didn't want to pay... when the chatlogs clearly show he said he would... do you deny this?

If so, do you have any further chatlogs that show he changed his mind and would not pay?

Im not avoiding your question, your question already had answer to different person.
His ignorance and less interest of getting my services to pay me after success is enough proof.