Who is the cheater?

[semobo]

the bounty hunter making cheating. in such cases, it is possible that the team already knows there is fraud in the campaign. so, at the end of the campaign, the team decided not to pay the bounty hunter. if so, don't blame the team that doesn't distribute tokens.

Yes having such rules will eliminate the altaccounts but they need to do while joining,but here they are doing at the time of distribution after they were taking all the efforts from the person.

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[Yatsan]

I don't see any form of cheating in both sides but i see a full abuse of bounty hunters who uses multiple accounts on joining such campaign and also those projects developer to tell lies to their "unknown" employees. Me as a bounty hunter also disappoint whenever this happen because of the so called not being professional on their part as developer.

[ned.ryerson]

Cry from the heart. I agree that now projects are very unfairly acting in relation to bounty hunters. we work and bring a large audience to new projects, but our work is not appreciated

[lavoncoin88]

Both are cheaters and need to be stop, in bounty hunter side the lower rank is most affected of this cheater because most of them do multiple account in higher rank and if we have a jr. member then its a  bullshit thing that hardwork is not fair during token distribution. As we with lower rank only have a little part of the allocation also. And those scammed project, it should be strict during there posting of their campaign and need to be undergo specific scanned of the campaign they promoted, these well make crypto down.

[CryptoAssasin]

From the very beginning, using multiple accounts on a single bounty is prohibited and a clear cheating which is very unfair to the participants. The bounty team have the rights to delay the distribution because they are also protecting their investors from its worst scenario of price dumping by the hunters. Bounties and their distribution nowadays is very unfavorable to hunters, specially a doubt of you will still be rewarded or not.

[79b79aa8d5047da6d3XX]

Everyone wants to have the best benefit for them, so they have to follow their own ways to have that benefit. But in this case, I think bounty hunter are the ones who suffer when they have completed the task but do not receive money from the project. I am also involved in a few projects and so far I have not received anything, I have been waiting for nearly 10 months

[Nwankwobtt]

Maybe none is really a cheater because they are doing what's best for them in terms of profit maximisation. Bounty hunters are dubious by doing multiple accounts to earn more rewards but then they perform all the tasks requested by developers. Developers on the other had delay or deny distribution because they want to sell some of their tokens at a good rate before it dumps. This Is crypto, people are just after the gains

[maxreish]

Obviously, both are the cheater. Come to think of it, devs are just using bounty hunters to promote their shit coin. As a matter of fact, they tend to give hope to the bounty hunters that their token will be listed on some exchanges. Which in return, will not benefit the effort of the bounty hunters.
As for the bounty hunters who are using multiple alt accounts, they are cheating with serious effort. I pity those who put a lot of effort with those alts but never get paid in return or had a reward but a useless token.

[pemantaubtt]

its happen to many campaign i joined.
they even reduced the reward and I worked on the campaign for 3 months and only got 3 $ because price dump. OMG I don't understand and they still blame the hunter for falling prices.

[masterrex]

TEAM: The campaign will run from now to.........., the bounty rewards will be distributed 45 days after token sales
GENERAL RULES: One account per person
BOUNTY HUNTERS: joined
 5 telegram account per person
 3 bitcointalk account per person
 5 facebook account per person
 4 twitter account per person
 2 Reddit account per person
 2 LinkedIn account per person

Two days to the end of ICO...
TEAM: Due to some reasons,the ICO will be extended for two weeks
BOUNTY HUNTERS: Can we stop the campaign and remove the signature?
TEAM: No,the campaign will continue to the end of ICO.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We can't discuss exchange now,we will announce when is time.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: Wait for announcement here.

After ICO......
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We are preparing announcement, wait for it.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune.
TEAM: Our coin will be listed on....... on .....
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune

After listing...

BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards?
TEAM: We will give the announcement in days.

After coin dumped...
TEAM: The bounty rewards will be distributed in 3 weeks.


      Bounty hunters using multiple account,
      Dev and team delaying bounty rewards until it worth nothing.
     Then who is the cheater?

Cheaters will be detected with required additional information! But the ICO team are more worser they are not following their own written rules the bad side of it is the Bounty workers is not compensated will after the long months of promotions after they recieve the payment its worth nothing they deprive us to earned a decent piece for our long months of promotion, Im sorry to say this but its true nowadays!

[universal3ee]

TEAM: The campaign will run from now to.........., the bounty rewards will be distributed 45 days after token sales
GENERAL RULES: One account per person
BOUNTY HUNTERS: joined
 5 telegram account per person
 3 bitcointalk account per person
 5 facebook account per person
 4 twitter account per person
 2 Reddit account per person
 2 LinkedIn account per person

Two days to the end of ICO...
TEAM: Due to some reasons,the ICO will be extended for two weeks
BOUNTY HUNTERS: Can we stop the campaign and remove the signature?
TEAM: No,the campaign will continue to the end of ICO.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We can't discuss exchange now,we will announce when is time.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: Wait for announcement here.

After ICO......
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We are preparing announcement, wait for it.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune.
TEAM: Our coin will be listed on....... on .....
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune

After listing...

BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards?
TEAM: We will give the announcement in days.

After coin dumped...
TEAM: The bounty rewards will be distributed in 3 weeks.


      Bounty hunters using multiple account,
      Dev and team delaying bounty rewards until it worth nothing.
     Then who is the cheater?

I believe both bounty hunter and ICO can be cheater. Looking at the big picture i think that if ICO cheat the ICO is affecting bounty hunters and investors , whereas on the other hand if a bounty hunter cheat at most give the hunter a few account and if they did not cheat someone else will take the rewards from the ICO so i think that ICO cheating more serious than hunter cheating. 

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TEAM: The campaign will run from now to.........., the bounty rewards will be distributed 45 days after token sales
GENERAL RULES: One account per person
BOUNTY HUNTERS: joined
 5 telegram account per person
 3 bitcointalk account per person
 5 facebook account per person
 4 twitter account per person
 2 Reddit account per person
 2 LinkedIn account per person

Two days to the end of ICO...
TEAM: Due to some reasons,the ICO will be extended for two weeks
BOUNTY HUNTERS: Can we stop the campaign and remove the signature?
TEAM: No,the campaign will continue to the end of ICO.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We can't discuss exchange now,we will announce when is time.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: Wait for announcement here.

After ICO......
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When exchange?
TEAM: We are preparing announcement, wait for it.
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune.
TEAM: Our coin will be listed on....... on .....
BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards distribution?
TEAM: We will announce here just stay tune

After listing...

BOUNTY HUNTERS: When bounty rewards?
TEAM: We will give the announcement in days.

After coin dumped...
TEAM: The bounty rewards will be distributed in 3 weeks.


      Bounty hunters using multiple account,
      Dev and team delaying bounty rewards until it worth nothing.
     Then who is the cheater?

I think part of the problem is bounties and ICOs are still running themselves in a way that was more suitable to a hot market on fire that everyone wanted a piece of, like those of '17 and early '18.

Things haven't changed so much yet because of a couple things.  One, the 'formula' worked spectacularly back then, brining in hundreds and hundreds of millions of investment funds, and is still working well enough to motivate projects of all sizes to continue to go for it, even at the bottom of this bear market, and at a time when people have more or less abandoned crypto, leaving just the diehards.  On the other side of the coin, it is fair to say investors have not learned their lessons yet either, at least enough to cause ICO entities to change their ways.

Two, the battle behind the scenes is likely hosting some super unsavory characters working for governments and corps to damage sentiment in the crypto markets.  It's impossible to know the exact numbers, but there has to be a percentage of the projects out there being run by contracted entities with the express goals of fleecing as many people as possible.

I'm sure something like that above 'scenario' has happened to all dedicated bounty hunters.  This sustained bear market is weighing on bounty managers like everyone else.  Their payments are worth less and less, the volume of participants has ballooned, and campaigns are going longer and longer and also getting extended one after another.  Both bounty hunters and managers see their earnings watered down, and in most cases now, the extended period of 'advertising' doesn't make a bit of difference.  If the project hasn't gotten off the ground after 3 or 4 months, they need to go back and rethink it again.

Either way, in my opinion, bounty managers are going to have to become more responsive, transparent, and remember their original roles as facilitators for projects.  Some of the rules put forth by new bounties leave you completely at the mercy and whims of unseen entities.  In the pre-Internet days, people that operated behind arbitrary rules like those were called charlatans.  There needs to be a shift in the sentiment in crypto in general, and it's going to have to start with bounty managers.  They are on the front lines in this battle, and they need to go back to their roles as ambassadors (the most enthusiastic ones) for crypto, instead of the current lack of engagement we have now.

[ruli stylon]

both can fool bounty hunters and developers ..
Dev and the project team don't want to pay, sometimes delaying payments for months because there are reasons fraudsters use many accounts.

This is where Dev and the Team reasoned that they would not pay prize participants.

[CoinsOrDie]

the bounty hunter making cheating. in such cases, it is possible that the team already knows there is fraud in the campaign. so, at the end of the campaign, the team decided not to pay the bounty hunter. if so, don't blame the team that doesn't distribute tokens.

How they cheat ? work fully and be censored by the team each week to receive a stake. So why until the end of the group campaign announced that there was a lot of fraud, obviously the group was fraudsters and wanted people to work for them for free

[hummer113]

Here of course you can understand both sides, if it's not scam, the developers are trying to protect the project from dump, and bounty hunters hope to earn at least something.

[GunsLair]

Of course, bounty hunters (multi-accounts) and ICO projects - both may also turn out to be cheaters. Both those and others strive for quick and big earnings and they are not at all concerned with the fate and feelings of those hunters who work honestly. And I still don't see a solution to this problem, but there must be some kind of regulator. I hope it will come up with time.

[DanWalker]

I'm sure there are cheaters at both sides, as well as legit humans. Multi accounts reduce rewards for any member of a bounty campaign and it's not good, but when the team extends the ICO or delays the bounty reward it could lead to near zero reward at all. So I guess cheaters among team are much worse.

[Gozie51]

For me the first cheater is the team. The team most times are fraudulent and so would give every excuse and keep delaying to deliver promises of bounty campaign. So they have in the beginning had a heinous motive not to pay even members with single account and honest in keeping to rules. If a team do not pay any member at all, then you can see that it is fraud abinitio.

[kaito.]

this was cheater being cheated at. and both are definitely need to be deal with if bounty program want to stay continue in the future.
there are many talk about regulation on ICO and how to prevent bounty hunter from cheating in bounty program but both still can't be prevented.
even the attemp to give red trust to bounty hunter who made multy account was not as effective before because they will simply made new account to join another bounty and changge their wallet to new one.
and for ICO developer they will simply change their rule as they see fit because there are no rule to prevent them from doing so.
the one who got most harmed was the honest bounty hunter who really join to help promote the ICO.

[nak02]

Well as a developer I will choose the best situation were in I can make the project still the top and also the price because many hunters are dumping the price and the investors are lossing their money on it wht the hunters are happy because they already profit even a little. The thing is hunter is the worst here.