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February 17, 2019, 06:18:59 PM
Last edit: February 17, 2019, 08:29:26 PM by Coolcryptovator
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Recent activity of SteveStake look like encourage spam on the forum (IMO). I had noticed it two weeks ago. However, never mind what is the pay rate, it's depend on them and I don't want to talk about it. I just want to mention how they are encouraging spam. FYI, I had not bothered to apply or I have no problem with them. My intention isn't to tag them or stop them.

I have bothered open this thread because to they have opened another campaign although there is a running campaign and look like they are inviting spammer. Below is their 2 thread;
1. Stake.com - A signature campaign for everyone! Earn up to 0.1 BTC weekly   (Archived)
2. Stake.com Signature Campaign - Up to 0.035 BTC a week   (Archived)

I will quote below those point is encouraging spammer. (Both signature campaign is running)
Old thread:
After you have made 25 posts you will be paid .0001 BTC per post (caps at 200 posts weekly)
I think this is the one reason of encourage spam. There should be limit of maximum post like 50 or 100. Is it very easy to make 200 post ? Can we expect quality good post if someone made 200 post ?

This campaign is aimed towards Legendary/Hero members, adding Sr and Full is just a small addition. If you don't like the price simply don't join. There's no need to put spam between other people's applications and spread false information confusing people.

So why need encourage spam?
Sr. + Full Members - .0001 BTC per 5 posts
Must make 25 posts minimum per week

On new thread:
20+ characters per post
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Constructive posts only (no spamming)
What constructive post he is expecting within 20 words ?

This campaign will promote organic conversations that you actually want to be part of and allow you to effortlessly accumulate high post counts
Look at the bold part, accumulate high post count, he don't need accumulate quality post count.


Anyone who tries to take advantage and spam will be removed and not paid for the week. The main goal of this campaign is to bring more freedom to the people who join by giving them the chance to create higher quality posts through organic conversations in topics they're genuinely interested in.

Answer given by Darkstar, so I don't want to repeat.

I guarantee you that you're only bringing freedom to those who want to be paid for spam, and not get close to creating higher quality posts. Take this guy for example, and basically any ANN thread in the gambling section. It's infuriating how basically no one wearing a Stake signature reads the thread before responding.

They had not uploaded participant list/spreadsheet yet, so we can't check their posting quality.

Most likely SteveStake forgot about merit system where most of managers are requiring even 5 earned merit (especially for btc signature).

Do you think he is doing right? What is your opinion ? Do you think they should reconsider their requirement?

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February 17, 2019, 07:05:43 PM
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I was actually considering posting something similar.

Big up for doing it.

I guess it is still a bit soon, and we will need to see what the BM considers a constructive post or not.

You are relating the 20 chars & constructive posts as if 20 chars was the max and not he min. You should change your reasoning. It is perfectly possible to be beneficial to a debate or a question by giving a short answer, even if it is unlikely.

My personal opinion is that this will go south very fast.

Edit: They don't have to change their opinion, they just have to thoroughly check the posts. I am not saying that I trust them to do it tho.
They should just increase the payment/post and limit the max post being paid and only accept member that generally post a lot, or just offer a fixed amount/week, with a min posting while chosing big posters.

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February 17, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
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Some examples of the high quality posting brought to you by the Stake campaign:

More gems:

I don't know if the website issues has been resolved as last that I tried to longin into my account is going?  I have also seeing the signature campaign suspended I hope all is well.
You'll know that by simply accessing their website, and until now it still showed the "404 Not Found"
That simply mean that the site is literally gone and don't expect they'll be back again soon, and if ever they'll comeback, it will be hard for them to gain back the confidence of the gamblers.
So sad to hear that.  Those people who still have funds in that gambling site is unlucky because they did not withdraw their money before the gambling gone. But maybe those people who still have funds in the wallet of everybet.io will waiting to comeback again because they need their money they still have hope for them.

They shut down about 3 weeks before that post and returned all funds to customers by contacting them via various communication channels. Getting all of your funds is hardly "unlucky".

I do rather like to invest my Money in a Bitcoin Gambling site rather than putting my money on a Casino.
The reason is that , some Casino dont provide instant support to their users comparing to Gambling sites. Casinos have plenty of complicated games which make it hard for a Gambler to understand and gamble.
Moreover there are a lot of other trusted Casinos in the market. Why we will choose the following Casino?

Casinos are more complicated than Bitcoin Gambling sites apparently

I think it will be very hard to win on this game, From now I cannot see any lucky winners yet.

Such quality much wow (but hey, it exceeds the 20 character requirement!)

https://www.instagram.com/bigluckyplays/

I like to play for high payouts, let's see if I can continue. More deposits coming soon.

These ones are from Primedice: https://imgur.com/a/IGJG8dw
A very good site that has been active and legit for many years. Stake.com is also good, It is easy to earn there and favorite game is  bitcoin mines,

A very good high quality and constructive post

Went through the casino. You've added most of the games that easily attract the attention of gamblers. In the cryptocurrency community every week new bitcoin accepted casinos were coming into existence. Saw about the campaign in the casino, but more than that a campaign in bitcointalk.org will let you get more users.

High quality post where he states some "facts" and then asks for a signature campaign so he can spam there and possibly earn more

In the list I only kbow sportbet.io because I already tried to play to thar sportd betting and I already and Im still playing. I try to make a research to the list so I can play also in the future if I want to play to other. I play in different gambling site. I hope my other sports betting that I know will be listed in the next update.  It is helpful to know where the player can play because of this.

Anyone want to explain what this means?



Seriously, do your job and stop letting spammers join.



edit: Even worse, you don't have a public list of participants so I can't verify whether you're actually paying the spammers, or check the other participants. Quotes above were from my own experiences browsing the Gambling section and I put basically zero effort in finding them.

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February 17, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
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Funny i just checked today myself for the first time signatur campaigns and realised that no accounts with negative trust are being accepted anymore.
So you can say DT members who are abusing their power or giving false rating on purpose are instantly destroying the possibility to earn some BTC using these signatures.
Seeing also the biggest DT supporters their hunting for these signatures made me laugh.

You destroy legit accounts which created a lot of good content in the past and are getting flooded now with newbie accounts.
Soon there will be no more high ranked accounts without red taggs.

Also the rule if somebody receives a red tagg from a DT member won't get paid is the biggest joke.
Is a DT member playing BOSS deciding who will get paid and who not ?
I think these campaign managers are a little bit to much brain damaged by these DT abusers how else could you explain enforcing such nonsense.

I sent out of interrest some PM's asking if false negative trust is an issue.Will love to see their replies.


Its really funny the people who are yelling the loudest about signature being the biggest shit on this forum are all wearing these nice signatures which is mainly promoting hazard.... which btw is in most countries ilegal (even promoting it).

And since its ilegal am asking myself where are here our honorable DT members protecting our community from scams which are by law ilegal ?

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February 17, 2019, 08:09:29 PM
Last edit: February 17, 2019, 08:27:54 PM by Coolcryptovator
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Its really funny the people who are yelling the loudest about signature being the biggest shit on this forum are all wearing these nice signatures which is mainly promoting hazard.... which btw is in most countries ilegal (even promoting it).

And since its ilegal am asking myself where are here our honorable DT members protecting our community from scams which are by law ilegal ?
Bitcoin is illegal most of country, so we need to stop promoting Bitcoin ? Should we leave this Bitcoin related forum? Did you?


I sent out of interrest some PM's asking if false negative trust is an issue.Will love to see their replies.
No one tagged him yet. My intention isn't tag him, my intention is discourage spam.

Soon there will be no more high ranked accounts without red taggs.
I don't think so.


Is a DT member playing BOSS deciding who will get paid and who not ?
Are DT members deciding who will accept or reject ?

where in western countries is bitcoin ilegal ?
If you make stupid claims at least try to justify them
Is Bitcoin created for only western country ? Has Satoshi Nakamoto told you that Bitcoin created only for western country?  Don't ask stupid questions.

The funny thing about him, no DT member says a thing about his fucked up English and his claims. Probably because DOUBLE STANDARD is all over this place unfortunately. Nothing against him personally as I have never dealt with him nor I had any conversation with him, just stating the fact.
Never mind, red always against DT members.

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The funny thing about him, no DT member says a thing about his fucked up English and his claims. Probably because DOUBLE STANDARD is all over this place unfortunately. Nothing against him personally as I have never dealt with him nor I had any conversation with him, just stating the fact.

So we should start tagging people because they didn't have the chance to be taught english early on, or simply because they have poor knowledge/are stupid?

Seems a bit extreme.

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isn't this what most campaigns do? they all have the word "quality" there and most of them don't seem to follow through. a single test would be counting merit for those people wearing signatures, i am pretty sure the majority of them don't even have a rate of 1 to 10 merit to post ratio, they all seem to post the same shit everyday and since they still get paid, why should they bother?

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The funny thing about him, no DT member says a thing about his fucked up English and his claims. Probably because DOUBLE STANDARD is all over this place unfortunately. Nothing against him personally as I have never dealt with him nor I had any conversation with him, just stating the fact.

So we should start tagging people because they didn't have the chance to be taught english early on, or simply because they have poor knowledge/are stupid?

Seems a bit extreme.

 I don't think anyone has been punished around here for not knowing English. Users from non English speaking backgrounds are punished for joining signature campaigns and posting outside of their means. If they cannot make a post(constructive) that makes sense and is on topic in the English boards, then they need to stay in their local boards until they learn the language better. I'm just giving reasons as to why users may get a red tag if English is not a language they know well, not anything about you.



Do you think he is doing right? What is your opinion ? Do you think they should reconsider their requirement?

I was wondering if a thread about this Campaign would be made. As long as this manager keeps an eye on the participants and is strict about the posts, things should be fine. Obviously by seeing the post by Darkstar we can see that users are posting some trash, but we do not know if they are being paid for that trash yet.

We will be able to tell a lot more when we see who is paid and what rate they earn as to whether this Steve guy is doing a good job.

Now more to the point of your questions. Do I think he is doing right? No, I think users will post like crazy to make the campaign worth their time. I think he is tempting users to get banned for spam. I think it's a very bad move on the part of Stake, but that's just my opinion. We, the community has 0 say in what they offer participants as far as payrate goes. That's between the manager and the site they are advertising.(Even if it's an owner of the site on a new account)

You gotta remember a site's main objective is to attract players. They want as many people in the bitcoin world as possible seeing their Advertisement. They could care less who get's banned or whatnot. They want the most bang for their buck. Can you blame them? I understand their stance as well, they just need to come up with a payment option that can best achieve what they want while not making the community go nuts.

We the community do have a choice as to whether or not apply for the campaign. So, if some campaign like this pops up, users should just not join or not fall for temptation. You either can deal with the low rate offered and move on, or join and take your chances at getting banned by spamming. Why risk it? Seems to me the choice should be do not join, and show the company you would rather support the community then make a few dollars and risk being tossed from the community.

I have no issues with Stake or any other site, Just my opinions

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Seems they are going to change few rules as we discussed here and their thread. Just now noticed from their campaign thread. I will take it positively at least they understand that their few rules should be reconsider, that was the reason why I have opened this thread. My intention isn't harass someone, we just need reduce spam from forum. Let's wait what changes they are going to do.


Thanks everyone for taking an interest in the campaign and giving your input on the thread and through pm. I wasn't expecting this campaign to become so massive in just a few days so some changes may be in order to account for its popularity. I will be making a few edits to the campaign based on input from the community such as lowering the amount of posts for the gambling section bonus and raising the character count per post. Edits will be made after the first payout because I don't believe it's fair to suddenly go back on an offer people have already accepted and started working on. I would also like to point out the average gained post count for all people in this campaign is between 9 and 10 after 3 days and this is including the posts of people who have already been kicked from the campaign.

However I will keep open this thread for further discussion.

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I've sent Stunna a PM, asking to check this thread.

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February 18, 2019, 07:38:08 AM
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Seems they are going to change few rules as we discussed here and their thread. Just now noticed from their campaign thread. I will take it positively at least they understand that their few rules should be reconsider, that was the reason why I have opened this thread. My intention isn't harass someone, we just need reduce spam from forum. Let's wait what changes they are going to do.


Thanks everyone for taking an interest in the campaign and giving your input on the thread and through pm. I wasn't expecting this campaign to become so massive in just a few days so some changes may be in order to account for its popularity. I will be making a few edits to the campaign based on input from the community such as lowering the amount of posts for the gambling section bonus and raising the character count per post. Edits will be made after the first payout because I don't believe it's fair to suddenly go back on an offer people have already accepted and started working on. I would also like to point out the average gained post count for all people in this campaign is between 9 and 10 after 3 days and this is including the posts of people who have already been kicked from the campaign.

However I will keep open this thread for further discussion.



What about promoting harzard to underaged people ?Why don't you need to reduce that too ?


Oh just saw your signatur.Now i know why you don't feel that need

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February 18, 2019, 11:30:50 AM
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I've sent Stunna a PM, asking to check this thread.

I forwarded this to Steve and the rest of the Stake team. Obviously there are some valid points highlighted here, there is no doubt that this is creating a huge amount of spam. Hopefully they can make some changes that the community finds agreeable.

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February 18, 2019, 11:39:35 AM
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They had not uploaded participant list/spreadsheet yet, so we can't check their posting quality.

Most likely SteveStake forgot about merit system where most of managers are requiring even 5 earned merit (especially for btc signature).

Do you think he is doing right? What is your opinion ? Do you think they should reconsider their requirement?

Actually the first campaign have spreadsheet so we can see how some users behave when they have the opportunity to post up to 200 posts per week. Most is still below the limit of 50 post per week, but few users post more then 100 post, and one is commend by campaign manager for reaching post cap of 200 posts.

I think they are not doing right this campaign, some basic rules are ignored and many participants have no minimum predisposition to participate in any signature campaign.




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February 18, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
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What about promoting harzard to underaged people ?Why don't you need to reduce that too ?
You should stop promoting cryptocurrency. It's related to illicit activity and you are promoting such a terrible, terrible thing to underage children. How immoral of you Sad
I forwarded this to Steve and the rest of the Stake team. Obviously there are some valid points highlighted here, there is no doubt that this is creating a huge amount of spam. Hopefully they can make some changes that the community finds agreeable.
Brilliant. Actual campaign managers that care about rooting out spam will make the forum a better place.

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Honestly i think its not possible to have enough traffic in website by just increasing particapators or post only. Quality post and creative poster make a great impression on visitors mind. That's why its better to highlght quality post rather than shitpost. As an example you can see the original scenario of ChipMixer Signature Campaign and web traffic


You can see here on the pic that 58.3% traffic drived from bitcointalk but stake.com haven't got the visibility of bitcointalk traffic yet. Now you can compare it with ChipMixer partipants and IMO obviously they are high quality poster. For that reason they got the high amount of traffic from bitcointalk.

It is to notify that every participator of ChipMixer is high merit earner. So i think its clear to everyone that you will not get traffic if you accept spammer on signature campaign.

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February 18, 2019, 04:49:45 PM
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actually crypto is legal in switzerland and the place where i live.
So you should stay away from this forum and just trash all your crypto funds if you have any,be a good citizen bro. Grin

Definitely bitcointalk will miss you.

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February 18, 2019, 05:07:42 PM
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Kind of disappointing that they seem to be relying on the community to do their job for them. From Telegram:

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- No spamming in Tg
- Report members of this group to us who are hurting the campaign because the better group we form the longer this campaign lasts. Examples include spamming and breaking Bitcointalk rules

@zerosumedge is also managing this group so listen to his requests

All reports, questions and inquiries can be sent to @StephenStake in a direct message (you can use the group chat for questions/messages just don't make it spammy)

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@Stake - You should figure out that not all posts are the same. Those that get viewed are infinitely times more valuable than the 200th+ post answering a simple question which are only read by spammers looking to paraphrase for their own post spam.

(each word links to an exceptional high quality post by a Stake campaign member that will surely be read many times)

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February 18, 2019, 05:20:44 PM
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Kind of disappointing that they seem to be relying on the community to do their job for them. From Telegram:

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- No spamming on Bitcointalk
- No spamming in Tg
- Report members of this group to us who are hurting the campaign because the better group we form the longer this campaign lasts. Examples include spamming and breaking Bitcointalk rules

@zerosumedge is also managing this group so listen to his requests

All reports, questions and inquiries can be sent to @StephenStake in a direct message (you can use the group chat for questions/messages just don't make it spammy)

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I wouldn't say that asking for reports is mutually exclusive to handling of campaign spam by the manager. Given that the campaign is set to take in a large number of users (from what I assume, since there are yet to be actual numbers on the member list), any kind of help should be welcomed.

What I don't like is the "earn up to 0.1 BTC weekly" part of this campaign. That's a minimum of 990 posts that they'll accept (weekly) and a maximum of 4950 posts.

There is no way a normal person can create that many constructive posts.

Assuming 9 hours of sleep and 15 hours of posting (every single day, without break) that corresponds to one post every 6.4 minutes at the Legendary rank. Or, one post every 1.3 minutes (76 seconds) at Jr. Member rank.

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February 18, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
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Honestly i think its not possible to have enough traffic in website by just increasing particapators or post only. Quality post and creative poster make a great impression on visitors mind. That's why its better to highlght quality post rather than shitpost. As an example you can see the original scenario of ChipMixer Signature Campaign and web traffic


You can see here on the pic that 58.3% traffic drived from bitcointalk but stake.com haven't got the visibility of bitcointalk traffic yet. Now you can compare it with ChipMixer partipants and IMO obviously they are high quality poster. For that reason they got the high amount of traffic from bitcointalk.

It is to notify that every participator of ChipMixer is high merit earner. So i think its clear to everyone that you will not get traffic if you accept spammer on signature campaign.


Its a numbers game.Quantity will always beat at some stage quality.
If somebody replaces 1 quality posts with 50 shitty posts the quality post will definetly lose that battle.
Legendary/Hero get higher click through rates no question asked but not that they will be able to compete against 10+ shitty posts from regular accounts.

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February 18, 2019, 05:38:09 PM
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Its a numbers game.Quantity will always beat at some stage quality.
If somebody replaces 1 quality posts with 50 shitty posts the quality post will definetly lose that battle.
Legendary/Hero get higher click through rates no question asked but not that they will be able to compete against 10+ shitty posts from regular accounts.
You say this, but do you know where those shitty posts end up in? Sections that nobody reads. Well, nobody except for other fellow shitposters. And they're too busy shitposting to pay attention to the ads. Oops.

Consider: what is the likelihood of a signature ad reaching users that will actually click in the Altcoin section, or one of the Economics megathreads?

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