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February 24, 2019, 10:26:46 PM |
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I think that the prices of bitcoin need a strategy from investors and traders & devlopers & companie
for example: - like mid 2017 When top exchanges imposed very strong restrictions to all deposit. - creat special box loan fund (1 - 10 percent profit after 6 month & 0.01 percent profit after 1 month in top and trust exchange like binance , bitfinex , bittrex ) and that will encourage investor for holding their bitcoin with profit( imagine if people invest about 1000000 btc for 6 moth and they can't desactive investement before 6 month.that can make price in stability and bitcoin will gain time to 2020 and circulation of bitcoin will drop little) - max sell in exchange is 1 bitcoin per day , without multiple acount (this is good way!) , there is no max buy -dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange. - exchange print tusd and usdt (loan bank )
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February 24, 2019, 10:39:57 PM |
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No ! markets don't work this way, you can't make people buy then keep them from selling what they bought.
most trades are done on OTC market, tens of thousands of bitcoins are being sold / bought daily off exchanges, there is nothing you can do to a huge farm in china when they want to sell their BTC.
after all , price is always driven by supply and demand, you might want to see bitcoin trading at 10k tomorrow, but are you willing to pay 9k for bitcoin now? indeed not.
bitcoin is way to far from real adoption, don't listen to the moon boys who say that in 10 years all banks will close their doors and everyone and their mother will use bitcoin.
at the moment bitcoin is more or less nothing but a money making tool , at least 90% of people buy it now to sell it for higher (in fiat) sometime in the future.
therefore the only reason the price is going to rise is when investors believe that what they pay now is lower than what they can sell it for a few months / years later.
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February 24, 2019, 11:14:15 PM |
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No ! markets don't work this way, you can't make people buy then keep them from selling what they bought.
most trades are done on OTC market, tens of thousands of bitcoins are being sold / bought daily off exchanges, there is nothing you can do to a huge farm in china when they want to sell their BTC.
after all , price is always driven by supply and demand, you might want to see bitcoin trading at 10k tomorrow, but are you willing to pay 9k for bitcoin now? indeed not.
bitcoin is way to far from real adoption, don't listen to the moon boys who say that in 10 years all banks will close their doors and everyone and their mother will use bitcoin.
at the moment bitcoin is more or less nothing but a money making tool , at least 90% of people buy it now to sell it for higher (in fiat) sometime in the future.
therefore the only reason the price is going to rise is when investors believe that what they pay now is lower than what they can sell it for a few months / years later.
You are true, price depends on supply/demand and in bitcoin's situation, on last buyer. So OP are you willing to pay huge price in bitcoin? No, you want to buy in cheap price and sell in high price, that's what 100% of people want to do, so it's hard to raise bitcoin's price but that will happen in 1-2 year. mikeywith also I can't agree you when you say not listen to moon guys because that moon guys were ones who were saying bitcoin would reach 20K by the end of year when price was 600$ and seems they werr right, sometimes they have huge fantasies but usually are right.
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February 24, 2019, 11:24:17 PM |
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Want bitcoin to grow? Here is a strategy... - Buy coins - Show others you are buying - Promote the use of bitcoin - Invest or support the bitcoin infrastructure You might get others aboard.... .... I think I smell greed ... ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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February 24, 2019, 11:47:08 PM |
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In order to raise bitcoin price everyone has to work together and promote bitcoin for what it is and right now that's not happening. Bitcoin price cannot change overnight and we have to understand that it takes time but if we don't do anything to help it then the price is never going to increase. If people are not promoting bitcoin then don't expect companies to start wasting their money in advertising bitcoin.
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February 25, 2019, 01:56:44 AM |
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Well, that's pretty much just trying to manipulate the markets in bitcoin's favor. It's really not better than vice versa. If you're going to take away free markets, then you're doomed to fail.
What's wrong with waiting for bitcoin to organically rise in price?
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February 25, 2019, 02:00:13 AM |
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OP, that's just an attempt at controlling an uncontrollable market. The whales run this show. You are along for the ride. Unless you have thousands of bitcoins and know what to do with them, it will be very, very, very hard to make any impact in the price of the markets. The only real way is mass adoption and people actually holding long term and refusing to sell. Adding a max sale amount to any exchange would just create a horrid user experience. Your suggestions go against everything bitcoin stands for.
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February 25, 2019, 02:28:31 AM |
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OP, that's just an attempt at controlling an uncontrollable market. The whales run this show. You are along for the ride. Unless you have thousands of bitcoins and know what to do with them, it will be very, very, very hard to make any impact in the price of the markets. The only real way is mass adoption and people actually holding long term and refusing to sell. Adding a max sale amount to any exchange would just create a horrid user experience. Your suggestions go against everything bitcoin stands for.
We have to wait to get a satisfying result. when we only hope we won't get anything. Market is always changing all the time and only people who have thousands of bitcoin can make changes. This is a law in the economic system, no one can change except us together to make changes !!!
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February 25, 2019, 03:02:36 AM |
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Hi there! Bitcoin is one of the most beautiful things that happened in the world. In order to make the price of bitcoin to rise. You should always use it in our daily lives. So if you want to buy something use bitcoin.
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February 25, 2019, 04:59:12 AM |
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the only way for bitcoin price to truly rise is when its adoption grows, nothing else works. any other weird thing you try may work short term (like how altcoin pump and dumps are) but in the long run these things can not be sustained and will fail and all the gains would vanish. this is actually why bitcoin price continues to rise even after 10 years of rising! I think that the prices of bitcoin need a strategy from investors and traders & devlopers & companie
for example: - like mid 2017 When top exchanges imposed very strong restrictions to all deposit. - creat special box loan fund (1 - 10 percent profit after 6 month & 0.01 percent profit after 1 month in top and trust exchange like binance , bitfinex , bittrex ) and that will encourage investor for holding their bitcoin with profit( imagine if people invest about 1000000 btc for 6 moth and they can't desactive investement before 6 month.that can make price in stability and bitcoin will gain time to 2020 and circulation of bitcoin will drop little) - exchange print tusd and usdt (loan bank )
to be honest these two don't even make sense, specially the second one since it sounds like you want fake money be printed and injected in bitcoin to raise its price but you forget that it can crash just as easily and you also forget a more important thing that people aren't going to use these tokens to buy bitcoin, they will continue using their fiat to buy bitcoin. - max sell in exchange is 1 bitcoin per day , without multiple acount (this is good way!) , there is no max buy -dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange.
you can't put this kind of silly restrictions on the market. it needs to remain a free market. besides the coins like mtgox coins need to enter circulating as fast and easy as possible so that we can have a better distribution of bitcoin. ps. mtgox had nothing to do with the 2018 drop!
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February 25, 2019, 05:28:44 AM |
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I think that the prices of bitcoin need a strategy from investors and traders & devlopers & companie
for example: - like mid 2017 When top exchanges imposed very strong restrictions to all deposit. - creat special box loan fund (1 - 10 percent profit after 6 month & 0.01 percent profit after 1 month in top and trust exchange like binance , bitfinex , bittrex ) and that will encourage investor for holding their bitcoin with profit( imagine if people invest about 1000000 btc for 6 moth and they can't desactive investement before 6 month.that can make price in stability and bitcoin will gain time to 2020 and circulation of bitcoin will drop little) - max sell in exchange is 1 bitcoin per day , without multiple acount (this is good way!) , there is no max buy -dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange. - exchange print tusd and usdt (loan bank )
exchanges won't collude to prop the price up. they have incentive to undercut one another to generate more trading commissions. if one exchange limits the amount of selling, others will step in to take their business. even if exchanges were willing to engage in this behavior, a gap would just develop between "the real price" (which buyers pay OTC and p2p) and "the fake price" listed on exchanges because they won't allow sellers into the market. if sellers can't liquidate on exchanges, they will liquidate OTC/p2p and that will pressure the global price lower.
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February 25, 2019, 07:32:15 AM |
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what you said about exchanges doesn't make any sense and it won't work at all. it may even make them look shadier than they already are!
something that I was saying for some time now is the one and only way to help price increase which involves exchanges and in short it is to have more reliable exchanges. which means traders who can trust them enough to leave their money on exchanges (not as storage obviously but in open orders in active market). that helps the market grow with more packed order books, makes the price less volatile, decreases whale manipulation and panic sell effects and we can see more solid rises instead of FOMO bubbles and lack of bubbles means lack of prolonged bear markets like 2018.
one way to do that would be for exchanges to set aside some assets as a guarantee of them having funds to pay their users in case they lost their coins in case of hacks,... that we have been seeing in the past 10 years. and some sort of legal enforcement in place to guarantee their honesty and enforces them to pay up in case they were hacked so the users aren't the ones being scammed because of exchange incompetence.
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February 25, 2019, 12:52:52 PM |
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one way to do that would be for exchanges to set aside some assets as a guarantee of them having funds to pay their users in case they lost their coins in case of hacks,... that we have been seeing in the past 10 years. and some sort of legal enforcement in place to guarantee their honesty and enforces them to pay up in case they were hacked so the users aren't the ones being scammed because of exchange incompetence.
Exchanges have very little capital of their own, especially the ones that have started more recently. With time, most of the current crypto exchanges won't exist anymore. The legacy financial institutions will outcompete them based on how most of them won't be able to comply due to how the regulations become harsher. Banks already have our money, so the most logical step is to offer a trading desk themselves. Instead of money leaving the country to some shady ass exchange, it will stay right there where it is and you very likely will be insured the similar way the money in your bank account is insured. We need patience for this, but the signs of them catching up are there already.
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February 25, 2019, 12:58:26 PM |
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I think that the prices of bitcoin need a strategy from investors and traders & devlopers & companie
for example: - like mid 2017 When top exchanges imposed very strong restrictions to all deposit. - creat special box loan fund (1 - 10 percent profit after 6 month & 0.01 percent profit after 1 month in top and trust exchange like binance , bitfinex , bittrex ) and that will encourage investor for holding their bitcoin with profit( imagine if people invest about 1000000 btc for 6 moth and they can't desactive investement before 6 month.that can make price in stability and bitcoin will gain time to 2020 and circulation of bitcoin will drop little) - max sell in exchange is 1 bitcoin per day , without multiple acount (this is good way!) , there is no max buy -dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange. - exchange print tusd and usdt (loan bank )
What you are suggesting is just market manipulation that might(or might not) artificially increase the bitcoin price,but it's a manipulation after all,and it's going to backfire on all btc users. You can't force or incentivize people to buy bitcoin.They have to decide to buy it without any external influence.
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February 25, 2019, 01:06:55 PM |
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OP, that's just an attempt at controlling an uncontrollable market. The whales run this show. You are along for the ride. Unless you have thousands of bitcoins and know what to do with them, it will be very, very, very hard to make any impact in the price of the markets. The only real way is mass adoption and people actually holding long term and refusing to sell. Adding a max sale amount to any exchange would just create a horrid user experience. Your suggestions go against everything bitcoin stands for.
This is true, Bitcoin must have mass adoption not by controlling traders in the exchange. People who are not a real enthusiast are refusing bitcoin when the price is low, but if the price is too high that's the time they grab the opportunity to buy bitcoin so that they have a quick profit. The fact is that they only want profit didn't know the real value of bitcoin. Controlling price on the exchanges is nothing.
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February 25, 2019, 01:59:25 PM |
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-dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange.
And how are you exactly planning on doing this with your new strategy? We don't own exchanges here so we cannot impose restrictions on the buy and sell side. So far the only thing I can see in order for us to influence the market is to buy and hold as a group and if we want to push the prices down then we Sell and create FUD as a group (which I won't be planning to be a part of) other than that we cannot really influence the market not unless all of us decided to stop selling and start holding our crypto holdings.
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February 25, 2019, 05:12:21 PM |
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Want bitcoin to grow? Here is a strategy...
- Buy coins - Show others you are buying - Promote the use of bitcoin - Invest or support the bitcoin infrastructure There's a better strategy And it is the only one which actually contributes to Bitcoin's long-term success, the one in which you can participate in person. I refer to using bitcoins (or any other cryptocurrency, for that matter) in real life like paying for things and services. Yes, I know that not too many merchants currently accept crypto, but that's so primarily because of us who are not very much inclined overall to part with their precious coins. Just in case, I do spend a certain amount of crypto personally, so it is not just about speculation and profiteering to me
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February 25, 2019, 05:13:16 PM |
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-dont allow mtgox and whale to sell their bitcoin in exchange.
these suggestions are the most absurd thing that i have ever heard, specially this one. what is next? you are probably going to propose that we stop letting people sell the bitcoins they have bought right away, they must wait 10 years before we "allow" them to sell! all that aside, why do you even think doing something like that would "raise bitcoin price"? you are introducing a big negative thing into the system that will drive many away! so if anything this should lead to price drop.
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February 25, 2019, 05:25:22 PM |
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More nations have to give green signal for crypto currency especially the most populated countries they should come forward and make this visible to the public, yes BTC has already been a hot topic in the world for its massive growth in 2017. As much as the demand and supply increases the value of BTC will automatically Increase.
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February 25, 2019, 09:14:45 PM |
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- creat special box loan fund (1 - 10 percent profit after 6 month & 0.01 percent profit after 1 month in top and trust exchange like binance , bitfinex , bittrex ) and that will encourage investor for holding their bitcoin with profit( imagine if people invest about 1000000 btc for 6 moth and they can't desactive investement before 6 month.that can make price in stability and bitcoin will gain time to 2020 and circulation of bitcoin will drop little)
What happened to decentralization. I thought bitcoin was meant to defeat centralization. This will make bitcoin look like a ponzi scheme. Let the people determine the market price of the coin through demand and supply the natural way, not through enforced restrictions.
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