Bernie or Bust 2020

[KonstantinosM]

From the Amazing Atheist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0gaW9NKAfA

 I agree completely. I was Bernie or Bust in 2016, first election I could vote in. I walked over 15 miles to register as a democrat (even though I'm fiercely independent) just to vote for Bernie in the Primary(edit: I did have a car, just liked the symbolic gesture). Then the democrats basically cheated him out of the nomination and then I just didn't vote in 2016.

If the same scenario plays out, I'm not voting for an establishment candidate that's compromised. It's Bernie or Bust (unless there's an other good candidate).

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[Spendulus]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

[squatz1]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

Bernei bros got ruined last time when Bernie turned Pro Clinton, I would hope that they don't fall for the same thing again. Even if they're not out to get him this time, he's one of them at this point and he knows it. I don't know how someone could fall for all of his BS the second time around.

At least support a candidate with a chance of winning, like someone like Biden. Bernie is a sellout.

[coins4commies]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

This is why I'm not giving another dollar or minute to Bernie's campaign until he has fully cleared the primary.

[Beerwizzard]

The only fact that in 2016 such country like America got such a retarded far left-wing candidate like Bernie shows that the political system in the modern world sucks pretty much. Lets hope that people will be smart enough to avoid voting for this guy.

This is why I'm not giving another dollar or minute to Bernie's campaign until he has fully cleared the primary.

It is a pleasure to see that even his former followers will not vote for him this time.

[coins4commies]

The only fact that in 2016 such country like America got such a retarded far left-wing candidate like Bernie shows that the political system in the modern world sucks pretty much. Lets hope that people will be smart enough to avoid voting for this guy.

This is why I'm not giving another dollar or minute to Bernie's campaign until he has fully cleared the primary.

It is a pleasure to see that even his former followers will not vote for him this time.

No I said I will not donate or volunteer in his camapaign this time because he was a sheepdog candidate in 2016 and all of that money and organization ended up being rolled into the Clinton campaign against my interests and will. 

So there is nothing wrong with him as a candidate except that he is running in a corrupt right-wing party.  If you have criticisms of him you need to say what they are instead of falsely claiming he is "retarded".

[Spendulus]

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No I said I will not donate or volunteer in his camapaign this time because he was a sheepdog candidate in 2016 and all of that money and organization ended up being rolled into the Clinton campaign against my interests and will.  

So there is nothing wrong with him as a candidate except that he is running in a corrupt right-wing party.  If you have criticisms of him you need to say what they are instead of falsely claiming he is "retarded".

Actually there was everything wrong with him, but nothing that his blinded foolish followers could see. Yes, the corrupt left wing Democrats saw through his shams and used him just like they used his followers.

Although the corrupt Democrats are sane enough to know that America isn't going the way of Venezuela, Bernie's followers are not.

So the joke's on you and always was. Don't feel too bad, though, because the Repubs played the exact same game. Except this last time around, the People saw through these shams and put Trump in office.

That's really worth thinking about a bit.

[Jet Cash]

I hope that Bernie Sanders support for the false Venezuelan claimant, Guaido, and the way he is pushing for military intervention to force an illegal regime change, will show him up to be the supporter of the globalist elite that are controlling America. Americans need to fight for their independence once again, and a vote for Bernie will take them back into servitude. Spend the tax dollars on rebuilding the US infrastructure and economy, rather than giving it to the bankers who own the defence contractors, and big pharma who are pushing the global eugenics project.

[coins4commies]

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No I said I will not donate or volunteer in his camapaign this time because he was a sheepdog candidate in 2016 and all of that money and organization ended up being rolled into the Clinton campaign against my interests and will.  

So there is nothing wrong with him as a candidate except that he is running in a corrupt right-wing party.  If you have criticisms of him you need to say what they are instead of falsely claiming he is "retarded".

Actually there was everything wrong with him, but nothing that his blinded foolish followers could see. Yes, the corrupt left wing Democrats saw through his shams and used him just like they used his followers.

Although the corrupt Democrats are sane enough to know that America isn't going the way of Venezuela, Bernie's followers are not.

So the joke's on you and always was. Don't feel too bad, though, because the Repubs played the exact same game. Except this last time around, the People saw through these shams and put Trump in office.

That's really worth thinking about a bit.

Nothing about Bernie is Venezuelan.  He even supports the US led Coup as Jetcash mentioned.

You can't be as simple as "Venezuela tried to help the poor and Bernie wants to help the poor so they are the same"

[theymos]

I think that the Democratic establishment put Kamala Harris in as insurance against Bernie-or-bust people. She's pretending to be a Sanders-style Democrat, even though if you actually look at her record, she's basically a neocon. Are you seeing many people fooled by Harris?

As a libertarian, I'd be reasonably happy with Sanders because he has OK positions on the two things that a president has the most power over: foreign policy and civil rights. His economic policy is garbage, but a president can't unilaterally make massive economic changes. More worrying is that he has been successfully browbeaten by the establishment into doing things inconsistent with his philosophy on several occasions, but he's still better than most about that.

[KonstantinosM]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

I didn't get used. I didn't vote for Clinton, I didn't vote for Trump.

Frankly I think 2016 was a big win for what I want. (Which is for policy specifics to take center stage in American politics) And Bernie was the one who did it. I'm working class and I don't regret supporting Bernie, my only regret was that my support was mostly just money.

This time around I may take it more seriously and volunteer a few hours for him as well.

If you recall before 2016 Medicare for all was considered fringe by the democrats.

[Spendulus]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

I didn't get used. I didn't vote for Clinton, I didn't vote for Trump.

Frankly I think 2016 was a big win for what I want. (Which is for policy specifics to take center stage in American politics) And Bernie was the one who did it. I'm working class and I don't regret supporting Bernie, my only regret was that my support was mostly just money.

This time around I may take it more seriously and volunteer a few hours for him as well.

If you recall before 2016 Medicare for all was considered fringe by the democrats.

"Medicare for All" was fringe because the Dems were after a universal health care, which after successive botches and puke worthy failures morphed into the final product called "Obamacare."

The only recovery from the current reality of a shit Obamacare being patched/terminated/corrected by Trump's actions is to go a different route for the FREE STUFF FOR ALL. Hence, "Medicare for all."

But it doesn't matter because that's an idealist notion, and the election is purely a power struggle. These two realities cannot be confused.

[squatz1]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

This is why I'm not giving another dollar or minute to Bernie's campaign until he has fully cleared the primary.

At least you're honest about it, that's fair. I don't know how he's getting the large amount of donors that he had before -- but, people are stupid I guess.

I think that the Democratic establishment put Kamala Harris in as insurance against Bernie-or-bust people. She's pretending to be a Sanders-style Democrat, even though if you actually look at her record, she's basically a neocon. Are you seeing many people fooled by Harris?

As a libertarian, I'd be reasonably happy with Sanders because he has OK positions on the two things that a president has the most power over: foreign policy and civil rights. His economic policy is garbage, but a president can't unilaterally make massive economic changes. More worrying is that he has been successfully browbeaten by the establishment into doing things inconsistent with his philosophy on several occasions, but he's still better than most about that.

Woah woah woah. Kamala Harris is a neocon? I mean, looking at her platform makes me think that she's a socialist -- though I might be fooled over here too. Though it's pretty easy to get fooled when she's on the Medicare for All, trillion dollar tax plans, and some other random dem style stuff (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21/sen-kamala-harriss-policy-agenda-trillion-tax-plan-tax-credits-renters-bail-reform-medicare-for-all/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.294c4356f36f)

He's fallen in line, and he has had to I guess. Though I still don't know how people can support him after that -- he obviously is just going to flip flop again if given the chance.

[theymos]

Woah woah woah. Kamala Harris is a neocon? I mean, looking at her platform makes me think that she's a socialist

Her stated platform is meaningless, she's just parroting Sanders etc. in order to appear far left. Her record is authoritarian and rather conservative; see for example https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general

[Spendulus]

The way it actually works, they'll let Bernie run and even give him a lot of publicity. But just like last time, they'll be aiming to fold his votes into the back-room-selected-bred-candidate.

And you'll be used, just like last time.

This is why I'm not giving another dollar or minute to Bernie's campaign until he has fully cleared the primary.

At least you're honest about it, that's fair. I don't know how he's getting the large amount of donors that he had before -- but, people are stupid I guess.....

Alternately, quite more likely and useful, BELIEVE NOTHING THEY SAY....

[u9y42]

I hope that Bernie Sanders support for the false Venezuelan claimant, Guaido, and the way he is pushing for military intervention to force an illegal regime change, will show him up to be the supporter of the globalist elite that are controlling America. Americans need to fight for their independence once again, and a vote for Bernie will take them back into servitude. Spend the tax dollars on rebuilding the US infrastructure and economy, rather than giving it to the bankers who own the defence contractors, and big pharma who are pushing the global eugenics project.

Huh? Has he done either of those things?

I know he said he is in favor of "internationally supervised early elections" (I imagine to avoid taking flak from his own party more than anything) but, as problematic as that is, it's not military intervention - it's still meant to hit them but, you know, with a smaller stick.


EDIT: https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/25/politics/bernie-sanders-venezuela-maduro/

[squatz1]

Woah woah woah. Kamala Harris is a neocon? I mean, looking at her platform makes me think that she's a socialist

Her stated platform is meaningless, she's just parroting Sanders etc. in order to appear far left. Her record is authoritarian and rather conservative; see for example https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general

Pretty large read, I'll edit this post down below once I'm done and have some analysis! Thanks for the source Theymos.

[Spendulus]

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No I said I will not donate or volunteer in his camapaign this time because he was a sheepdog candidate in 2016 and all of that money and organization ended up being rolled into the Clinton campaign against my interests and will.  

So there is nothing wrong with him as a candidate except that he is running in a corrupt right-wing party.  If you have criticisms of him you need to say what they are instead of falsely claiming he is "retarded".

Actually there was everything wrong with him, but nothing that his blinded foolish followers could see. Yes, the corrupt left wing Democrats saw through his shams and used him just like they used his followers.

Although the corrupt Democrats are sane enough to know that America isn't going the way of Venezuela, Bernie's followers are not.

So the joke's on you and always was. Don't feel too bad, though, because the Repubs played the exact same game. Except this last time around, the People saw through these shams and put Trump in office.

That's really worth thinking about a bit.

Nothing about Bernie is Venezuelan.  He even supports the US led Coup as Jetcash mentioned.

You can't be as simple as "Venezuela tried to help the poor and Bernie wants to help the poor so they are the same"

Your washed up old hippie socialist offers the same lies and promises as Venezuelan socialists did, that if even partly implemented, will drive a country to bankruptcy.

To be fair, though, I realize fully that you and other radicals don't want any of your promoted heroes associated or linked with total fucked losers like Maduro.

But it's you and them that put themselves into that total fucked loser category by promoting Free Stuff For All. Not sure how I can help you out of that predicament...

[coins4commies]

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No I said I will not donate or volunteer in his camapaign this time because he was a sheepdog candidate in 2016 and all of that money and organization ended up being rolled into the Clinton campaign against my interests and will.  

So there is nothing wrong with him as a candidate except that he is running in a corrupt right-wing party.  If you have criticisms of him you need to say what they are instead of falsely claiming he is "retarded".

Actually there was everything wrong with him, but nothing that his blinded foolish followers could see. Yes, the corrupt left wing Democrats saw through his shams and used him just like they used his followers.

Although the corrupt Democrats are sane enough to know that America isn't going the way of Venezuela, Bernie's followers are not.

So the joke's on you and always was. Don't feel too bad, though, because the Repubs played the exact same game. Except this last time around, the People saw through these shams and put Trump in office.

That's really worth thinking about a bit.

Nothing about Bernie is Venezuelan.  He even supports the US led Coup as Jetcash mentioned.

You can't be as simple as "Venezuela tried to help the poor and Bernie wants to help the poor so they are the same"

Your washed up old hippie socialist offers the same lies and promises as Venezuelan socialists did, that if even partly implemented, will drive a country to bankruptcy.

To be fair, though, I realize fully that you and other radicals don't want any of your promoted heroes associated or linked with total fucked losers like Maduro.

But it's you and them that put themselves into that total fucked loser category by promoting Free Stuff For All. Not sure how I can help you out of that predicament...

Countries with universal health care include Austria, Belarus, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Moldova, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom.

Free college tuition

Argentina   Yes   
Austria   Yes   
Brazil   Yes   Yes, but classes are taught in Portuguese.
Czech Republic   Yes   Free tuition in the Czech language, not free in other languages.
Denmark   Yes   
Egypt   Yes   
Finland   Yes   Yes
France   Yes   Available to all European Union (EU) citizens.
Germany   Yes   Yes
Greece   Yes   Yes, but classes are taught in Greek.
Iceland   Yes   Yes
Kenya   Yes   Free public tuition for high-scoring secondary school students.
Luxembourg   Yes   Yes
Malaysia   Yes   
Morocco   Yes   
Norway   Yes   Yes, but living expenses are high.
Panama   Yes   Yes
Poland   Yes   
Scotland   Yes   
Slovenia   Yes   Available to all EU citizens.
Spain   Yes   
Sweden   Yes   Available to all EU citizens. Ph.D. programs are tuition-free.
Turkey   Yes   
Uruguay   Yes   

Denmark pays students a UBI

under the Statens Uddannelsesstøtte program, all Danes over the age of 18 are entitled to funding from the state for up to six years for post-secondary education. Every student who doesn't live with their parents receives about 5,839 Danish krones (about $900) per month, and they do not need to pay the state back — even if they drop out of college — according to the Post. High-performing students have even more funding opportunities.

But lets just ignore this heapload of facts because a country that isn't on any of these lists of doing these "socialist" programs has been driven to collapse.  Lets ignore that the countries on these lists include the happiest, most successful countries the world has ever seen.  Lets also ignore that the US cannot go bankrupt BECAUSE VENEZUELA.

[xxkaiwaxx]

Americans should have chosen Ron Paul when they had the chance.

Don't know how they didn't. Obviously don't like to research claims made by their leaders.

First one to spoon feed them coco-pops gets the vote...