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March 10, 2019, 01:31:02 PM
Last edit: March 10, 2019, 01:45:05 PM by bellicose
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Masternode investors are here to achieve one goal – to make a return on an investment. Whether you give focus to short term or long term gains, one consistent always remains across all investors. You want to make money!

Investing in cryptocurrency can have great risk but also great reward, and what drives us all is the euphoria of researching and investing in an encouraging project/coin before others and maximising short or long term returns. The 2018 crypto bear market has hit the vast majority of investors hard and it has become ever more difficult for an investor to return a profit, or a project to offer a smooth launch of their coin.

Investing in masternodes through shared platforms has grown in popularity during 2018 with the number of platforms continuing to grow during 2019. All shared platform have responsibility to their investors and to the projects/coins listed to it. Without trust from the community, a platform ceases to exist.

For platforms that hold a great amount of influence in the space, it is vital to operate ethically to build and gain this trust from current and future investors. For the top shared platforms, this is the number one consideration to provide real value to projects listed to our services and the wider investment community. Sustainable growth of masternode projects is the only way that investors can gain a return on their investment, and is the only way shared services can continue to grow in the future – without projects choosing to operate masternode technologies, shared platforms do not remain relevant in the cryptospace. Therefore in collaboration with investment communities, shared services have to provide infrastructure to enable growth of projects and the masternode space in general.

As an investor, you will be aware of services like Midas, trttNodes and Gentartium. Collectively, they are working towards growth of the masternode space, and to offer a strong infrastructure providing support to assist in the appreciation of communities’ investments. Unfortunately, these ambitions are not shared across all popular platforms. For the future development and growth of the masternode space, and in order to give protections to the investment community, it is vital this is reported to educate the masternode investment community.

CryptoHashTank. Here to help investo-.....
In April 2018, CryptoHashTank (CHT) launched their shared investments platform, and offer a mix of instant and ‘auto’ nodes on their platform. Specialising in offering a coin extremely early after launch, they offer investors the opportunity to invest early in a coin on a shared basis when the rewards are at their highest. CHT do very well at listing a high number of coins – whether an agreement is made with the project, or not - and this draws increased investors to their platform.

When they can make an agreement with a project, they achieve this by offering listing terms to a project that does not appear to have any cost. CHT take collateral of a node, and reimburse this collateral after a short period (often 1-3 days if rewards are high enough) thus providing no lowering of the projects premine through a listing with CHT, yet allowing CHT to continuing offering an instant node via their platform utilising the rewards earned. When an agreement cannot be made with a project, CHT list the coin anyway without the permission of the project as ‘Auto’ without an Instant Share.

It is apparent that CHT practices behind the scenes are secretive, unethical, and highly damaging to a projects longevity, the coins chances of success and ultimately, their investment communities’ portfolio.

Listing a project in presale to CHT would help, wouldn't it?
During February 2019, Klimatas listed through the Midas Incubator Programme. They successfully completed their own presale and KTS launched to Midex.

One week before KTS listed to the Midas Incubator programme, they also gained a listing with CHT, providing the CHT team with collateral for a node on the understanding this would be reimbursed a few days later, thus appearing to have no cost to Klimatas. CHT opened their Instant node, and started to receive investments of KTS from their community.

Investment platforms who list a project very early after launch during presale (if one is being offered by the project) - such as how CHT usually operate - have the ability to accumulate a high number of coins not dispersed to investors shares due to the coin being in high reward phase. With no outlet to sustainably and gradually sell these until it lands on exchange, the coins are held and continue to return coins themselves through compounding interest. Should this be the case, it is vital that utmost responsibility is provided by the shared investment service for the good of the project, the coins long term prospects, and their investment community who have chosen to use that service.

Between 25th January, and the launch to Midex on 22nd February, through rewards not dispersed to their investment community and service fees that CHT charge in the coin, CHT accumulated over 4,000 KTS that was deemed their own funds. At the price of KTS presale, this has value of 4BTC (approximately US$15,000). Rather than handle the sale of these coins sustainably and ethically, CHT choose to dump the high number of coins they hold as a coin lands on exchange. When a coin launches to exchange, liquidity and support is at its lowest, and therefore the vulnerability of the coin’s price at its greatest.

The practices of CHT came to light after @Mike [CHT Dev] posted directly to an open Discord channel that his deposit of KTS had not arrived to Midex shortly after the launch to exchange.



At the exact time of the deposit arriving to Midex, KTS had rebounded and was offering early resistance at 0.00040000BTC/KTS. Following the arrival of KTS to their trading account, they systematically proceeded in continually dumping KTS without consideration of the price of the coin, nor the responsibility they hold to investors. During the first three hours of trading, the account registered to CHT dumped over 2,100 KTS providing the greatest sell pressure on exchange to push the price to all-time-low of 0.00001350BTC/KTS. Within 7 days, they dumped over 4,200 KTS to continually keep the price of KTS suppressed.

At the same time, Mike [CHT Dev] shows apparent concern for coins price, posting throughout Discord promising support to a coin. This screenshot comes two weeks after the launch of KTS to Midex after crashing the price and continually providing sell pressure.



The launch of Midex, the exchange operated by Midas, has shed light on the operating practices of CHT. Just as they have treated KTS, they have also replicated this pattern with OTS - who also launched to Midex. Over a period of three days, CHT proceeded in dumping over 8,500 OTS on Midex. These figures are growing daily!

How does CryptoHashTank treat mature coins?
Unlike all major shared service platform in 2019, CHT have chosen not to create their own utility coin, but charge service fees to use their service at a percentage of rewards in the coin. Coins earned via service fees are sold directly on exchange, and continuing to use this method of fee charges suppresses a coins price and therefore an investor’s portfolio. All other major shared services actively encourage service fees be paid in their local coin/currency.

CHT also offer a variable service fee percentage allowing CHT to charge up to 90% of an investors rewards. Once a coin doesn’t provide enough reward output, CHT begin increasing fees to raise their earning potential, thus increasing the dumping pressure to further lower value of the coin.

Below, we provide examples from a number of coins being offered on CHT and the fee structures in place:





Based on the fees being charged, and the number of nodes in operation:

1.02 ABET nodes will be sent to exchange per month to sell.
1.6 MARC nodes will be sent to exchange per month to sell.
4 UPC nodes will be sent to exchange per month to sell.
5.38 PRX nodes will be sent to exchange per month to sell.
8.67 ISF nodes will be sent to exchange per month to sell.


This continual sell pressure will push the price of a coin down, and devalue the investments held on behalf of their own community.

Once the node is not producing high enough payouts, CHT introduce the variable commission structure. A masternode may not pay out enough rewards if; i) the coin offers a low ROI, or ii) the price of the coin has been depressed by continual selling. Below, we provide some examples of these coins:




The above coins all have large communities and are well known in the masternode space. Importantly, none of the above five projects gave CHT permission to list their coin, and all are listed as ‘auto’ meaning there is no instant share provided by the project.

Can CryptoHashTank be trusted?
The findings have been stark and clear: By sending your investments and increasing the influence of CHT provides a direct negative price suppression on the coins value, and devalues the investments for not only those who choose to invest on CHT, but the entire investment community.



Acting on greed, CHT use their influential position to ensure earnings are consistent for themselves without consideration of the projects, their community, and even those not using CHT. A listing to CHT in a coins infancy whilst rewards are at their highest can provides an immediate dumping after landing on exchange, as well as a strong negative effect for the long term progress of the project. Resulting from the immediate suppression on the price of coins like KTS and immediate devaluing of their communities’ investments, the continual selling pressure provided by CHT allows them to increase service fees to apply the final nail in the coffin for the coin allowing CHT to suck the final life out of the project. Once at this stage, the consequences are irreversible leaving their own investment community and others to face subsequent losses.

This article can be concluded and summarised with a couple of damning screenshots through communications with Mike [CHT Dev], and displays the willingness to not only destroy a project, but also their communities investments.

The example used is IFX. Through continual dumping through the listing of IFX, CHT has majorly contributed to the decline in price of IFX resulting in them taking a 'variable fee' of 50%+ of all rewards generated from his community.





CryptoHashTank's work here is done! Who will be their next victim?

Seeing this price action, the community would be in their right mind to assume a selling of premine and team exit. No! It is just CryptoHashTank at work!

Choosing the service and platform you send your investments to must be considered carefully. DYOR does not only apply to coins, but to the platforms you choose to send your coins to. Not doing so may have a strong influence not only in the success of your investments, but the success of the projects themselves!

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March 10, 2019, 02:03:45 PM
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Ouch this does not sounds so good for new coins/projects, i am thinking of the continual sell pressure
lets see how this evolves


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March 10, 2019, 02:51:33 PM
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You already dumped

Nope
I just did

F$cking dumpers, hate them...

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Its not good for a new coin/project as i wrote.
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Hate manipulators!  Only Trittium and Midas
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March 10, 2019, 04:50:13 PM
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Yes, indeed, this is not the platform on which we can confidently trade our investments.
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March 10, 2019, 06:55:23 PM
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Hate manipulators!  Only Trittium and Midas

Trittium&midas seems like a good platform, i will try that, thanks
it seems like the best thing for new coins, is not to list on cht, cause of the fees, and sell tactics
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March 10, 2019, 07:02:09 PM
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Hate manipulators!  Only Trittium and Midas

Trittium&midas seems like a good platform, i will try that, thanks
it seems like the best thing for new coins, is not to list on cht, cause of the fees, and sell tactics

that's right, their ways of working absolutely negatively affect the development of coins and projects in general.
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March 10, 2019, 07:32:29 PM
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I hope that the manipulators will become smaller and will not so lower the coins that are worthy of the highest price. Interesting topic!
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March 10, 2019, 08:26:18 PM
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Now I understand how much you need to think carefully and check all the information before making investments. Thank you for such a detailed and correctly stated text.
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March 10, 2019, 09:01:32 PM
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It will be very interesting to observe the development of events and how the prices for new coins, which are just starting to be sold, will behave. Good article, thanks for writing so clearly.
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The author is an obvious Midas shill, reposting an article from Midas' blog.

These defamatory articles, speak volumes about the type of company Midas Investments is. A company that would stoop so low, as to fabricate lies about their competition? I'd be very careful. 


Regardless, these libelous statements will not go unchallenged.


The semi-literate author confirms that KTS price dropped from 100K to 13K sats BEFORE CHT was able to deposit any coins on the exchange.
Yet somehow manages to attribute that to the fault of CryptoHashTank? how?

Moving coins onto an exchange, does not equate to dumping coins... if CHT is as greedy as the Midas shill claims, then they are incentivized to try and get the most value for their coins, that they can. Dumping coins, has the exact opposite effect.. again, common sense.


Regarding Variable commission, what the Midas shill fails to mention is that the variable commission rate is based on commission earnings of $2.50 per month. That's right, those of you with at least a third grade education, can do the math to see $2.50/month equates to about 8 cents per day

If you think CHT is able to move a market with $0.08 per day, you're an idiot.


Attributing the price dump of IFX (Infinex) to CryptoHashTank?





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March 10, 2019, 09:40:07 PM
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There are always people who make money from it. Surely they have not provided for one hundred will follow this and can punish for frauds with money.
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March 11, 2019, 12:10:56 AM
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Hello Community,


I would like to take this time to rebut the current article. But first I would like to simply say that the information is false and posted by a competitor.

Lets address the issue with KTS, CHT along with the knowledge of the KTS Dev sent 4k KTS to Midex Exchange as once listed the coin began to tank. We sent these coins to the MIDEX exchange in order to try and stabilize the price which I will prove in a second. The coins never arrived and the post I made in the MIDAS discord was to get the coins that were missing from my account. Fast forward 24hrs later the coins were credited and below you will see that only some were sold and were sold steadily while increasing the coins value as we set out to do.

#169253 to sell 200.00000 KTS at 0.00013000 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 19:58:12
#169251 to sell 200.00000 KTS at 0.00012000 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 19:57:52
#169250 to sell 200.00000 KTS at 0.00011000 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 19:57:38
#169238 to sell 1,000.00000 KTS at 0.00011000 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 19:55:22
#169235 to sell 195.45594 KTS at 0.00010076 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 19:54:50
#163635 to sell 100.00000 KTS at 0.00010688 BTC/KTS 2019-02-25 11:04:00

As you can see above that is the opposite of dumping as the writer of this article stated.

Now lets address the accusation of CHT being responsible for the crash of IFX lol! Below is the announcement made by the IFX DEV on March 6th 2019 at 740pm EST


@everyone
Dear Infinex Supporters,

As you all know, the safety of your funds that you are planning to invest in the future InfiniDEX - the decentralized exchange powered by Infinex - is of my top priority.

With the recent hacking and regulatory issues, such as what has happened to Cryptopia, Maple Exchange, and EtherDelta, I have spent countless nights to think of what is best for InfiniDEX...  My limited resources, lack of experience, and next to none background in this matter does not help.

It is with heavy heart that I truly realized own limitations in the last three crunch days.

As such, I have decided to postpone InfiniDEX indefinitely.  This does not mean that InfiniDEX will cease to exist.

Here is a snapshot of our CB Balance as of March 10th, 2019 750pm EST

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1IZkZz5CaAWlNr8yhRKQvKXPhEBy3f0mP

As you can see we still hold a balance and did not dump at all. Wink So let me explain the context of the chat that you all only see a snippet of, the conversation that you see is between me and the DEV for TRTT which when looked at the way they posted it looks like we sold and that red candle is our doing but if look closely the dump happened almost 20hrs prior to me stating we sold the dying projects coins. That conversation clearly shows that it happened on March 7th 2019 at 254pm EST and IFX crashed only because of their post and not because of CHT.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1S8tW9hJtpf4tBkZXYjaJ7ds7LWHCTqfF

So to put this into context, myself and the TRTT Dev dont see eye to eye and he has a hard on for use as we are competition. What he has done here is simply takes pieces of conversations and manipulated it to fit his attempt at FUD. CHT only sells rewards at current price or above never at the asking price.

Many Shared MN services charge fees from rewards I will not name them as this is not the point. But I will mention that TRTT does when their users have no TRTT to pay their hosting costs ask yourself what they do with that commission?Huh?

Last but not least our Variable commission like Jack stated above is to only retain $2.5 a month from rewards so ask yourself this can $2.5 worth of coins cause a coin to fail??? The answer absolutely not!!!


God Bless you all!

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March 11, 2019, 02:47:01 AM
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You are talking about all platforms or just a few. We should consider this carefully



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March 11, 2019, 03:59:24 AM
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This kind of dumb investment should be prohibited in here lol. Both side the developer and the users are willing to take profit from both.
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March 11, 2019, 04:34:12 AM
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That's why I never invest in a masternode coin ever again in my life! Everything, the exchange of the masternode coin, the dev, all of them are totally shits.
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March 11, 2019, 07:27:36 AM
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Many Shared MN services charge fees from rewards I will not name them as this is not the point. But I will mention that TRTT does when their users have no TRTT to pay their hosting costs ask yourself what they do with that commission?Huh?




Trittium ALWAYS wants people to pay in Trittium. And always speaks about paying fees in trtt and try to educate to their investors to pay in Trittium, so it is not a way of life as it is for CHT.

Also, Trittium always tries to get agreements with new projects to pay first week or month in trittium and give free hosting to investors in the first weeks, as ROI is too high and to sink projects is not the Trittium aim.

https://discordapp.com/channels/433248987462762517/433250532900077581/547700669860151316

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/456509725278863360/554565438789386250/unknown.png?width=606&height=473

You can check more examples like these ones at Trittium Discord.



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March 11, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
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CHT should start their own coin like trittium, and take payment from fees in their own currency, insted of dumping the fee on the market
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March 11, 2019, 11:48:46 AM
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CHT should start their own coin like trittium, and take payment from fees in their own currency, insted of dumping the fee on the market

CHT coin is in the works...

All shared masternode providers take fees in the coin that they host. GTM, Midas, TRTT, everyone

Do you really think a 4% commission from rewards is going to move a market? get real.
This purported article is nothing more than a slanderous puff piece from a half witted employee of Midas, at the direction of Titrium

Some services do provide an option to pay fees using the shared service's native coin, why isn't it a requirement?

The largest shared masternode service, GTM, does not use their own coin for shared mn fees, even though they charge cold wallet hosting in their own native coin.


Open your eyes people, do some critical thinking.

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