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March 15, 2019, 01:15:50 AM |
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I think bitcoin or some other project will at least give some improvement in fairness and equality in terms of opportunity to the masses over the fiat systems we have right now.
This will never happen, what many people fail to understand that bitcoin is merely a different payment method, it's not a new monetary system, whoever is rich with fiat will be rich with crypto, same applies for the poor. if tomorrow the world agrees to "lemon" as being the measurement of wealth, poor people who grow lemon at the backyard of their tiny houses will still be poor, the rich guys will always know how to get those lemons from them.
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March 15, 2019, 02:06:57 AM |
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Price goes up, price goes down.... users goes up, users go down .... rinse and repeat.
Viz
Don't blame it on bitcointalk. Don't blame it on bitcoin.
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March 15, 2019, 08:08:14 AM |
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Price goes up, price goes down.... users goes up, users go down .... rinse and repeat.
Viz
Don't blame it on bitcointalk. Don't blame it on bitcoin. i think user number is advanced to price movement, so its a good indicator
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March 15, 2019, 08:35:02 AM |
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Things are obviously quieter, as one would expect after all the bull run and ICO hype, but statistics often need to be relativized to a context and inner knowledge of how they are built. Take for example Google Trends. Although the information it shows is valuable, one needs to take into consideration how it draws up the data (relativized to all searches performed on Google, and to the peak of the studied terms), and that the charts do not take into consideration sentiment (i.e. if we are talking positively or negatively about the search term) nor context. This is a brief explanation of how Google Trends derives it’s data: Google trends can be used as an indicator on multiple fields, although some studies have met poor results for its use as a predictor.For example s Google Trends a reliable tool for digital epidemiology? Insights from different clinical settings) concludes that: "Taken together, the results of our study confirm that Google Trends has very modest reliability for delineating the true population epidemiology of relatively common diseases with poor media coverage or rarer diseases with large audience. Overall, Google Trends seems to be more influenced by media clamor than by the true epidemiological impact of disease, at least in the diseases examined here. Therefore, the real scientific usefulness of the so called "digital epidemiology" remains questionable, at least when using Google Trends."We could of course find examples in favour and against, and although it certainly does have some appeal, one needs to be extra careful when interpreting the results: On the one hand we need to understand how those charts are created. The charts set as the 100 threshold score the value where the search pattern is highest in relation to the searches performed in that same timeframe and geographical scope studied. All other readings on the chart are then relativizes to that maximum. Say for example on day X the Bitcoin search term was sough 100K times out of 10M search searches, then the ratio for that day would be of 1%. If that was the maximum ratio for each date in the chart’s window, then that would be peak of the chart, and be set as base 100. Now if on another day there were 120K searches for Bitcoin, but the total amount of searches was of 16M, then the ratio would be of 0,75%, which is lower than the peak. Is it really lower? Well it is in relative search terms, but not in absolute search terms, where it is up by 20% that will not show on those relative charts. Another factor to consider is sentiment: the charts ponder the number of searches for the term, but do not give it a context. I.e. Bitcoin could be suffering a severe crash and the number of searched on the engine related to Bitcoin will rise greatly, but the rise in the chart is counterproductive if interpreted alone without a context.
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March 15, 2019, 08:49:16 AM |
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Price goes up, price goes down.... users goes up, users go down .... rinse and repeat.
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Don't blame it on bitcointalk. Don't blame it on bitcoin. i think user number is advanced to price movement, so its a good indicator I wrote already, I'll repeat it here too. It's not only the price. It's the ICOs and bounties that are far less now, it's the Merit that makes the low quality bounty hunters (and their way too many spawns) become jobless. So indeed. Don't blame it on <see the list>. Blame CCN for low quality news meant only for some extra views.
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March 15, 2019, 09:00:36 AM |
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That's what Mr. President D. J. Trump called fake news. Blame it on fake news. Blame CCN for low quality news meant only for some extra views.
Not only CCN, but also the cointelegraph.com turned to be low quality crypto news site recent months, since the second half of 2018.
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March 15, 2019, 09:23:58 AM |
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That's what Mr. President D. J. Trump called fake news. Blame it on fake news. Blame CCN for low quality news meant only for some extra views.
Not only CCN, but also the cointelegraph.com turned to be low quality crypto news site recent months, since the second half of 2018. They are not fake per sé, but they can be misleading by omission and do it to prove their point. The conclusion is correct, so I can't really call them fake news. Those who won’t buy bitcoin again until they hear about it in Time Magazine will likely miss gains. But I agree that they are not the only ones with low quality "news".
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March 15, 2019, 09:31:03 AM |
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<…> so why these huge continuous loses then? <…>
Well, due to all the crypto related factors that are now in reversal in relation to the hype around the beginning of 2018. There is an undeniable relationship between how the crypto market evolves, and how the number of forum members evolve, or the number of posts that they create over time. Being in a bear market, and after the ICO sphere general fiasco, we can’t expect the forum to be thriving in a diametric opposite direction than the general market. Perspective also needs to be taken into consideration. Just yesterday I posted that the number of posts per month now seems to be similar to that of the first half of 2017 (see re:Statistics of user registrations on Bitcointalk 2017-2019. Like I said there: <...> The number of created post per month is dropping to similar numbers as those around the first half of 2017. There is an obvious correlation to crypto hype and value variance, and the numbers are interpretable according to one’s perspective. For a person signed-up during early 2018, things are really quiet now. For a person who signed-up in 2016 or before mid 2017, numbers seem to be training back to those days. <…>
Looking at the chart on the referenced post, the 1 merit for Jr. Members introduced in mid September 2018 did not seem to alter the trend at all (number of posts per month), but rather continued its downward pattern, which, as expected, is in consonance to market (see for example chart comparison on re: Bitcointalk is Dying?). Even the data provided by @theymos, while keeping what are probably decent numbers, when seen from a historical perspective (the provided link to the Ad stats has data going back to April 2012) shows the above. The way I see it, Bitcointalk seems to be rather aligned to how Bitcoin/cypto is behaving currently. That is natural and rather much unavoidable.
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March 15, 2019, 10:01:27 AM |
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But I agree that they are not the only ones with low quality "news".
It is the way D.J.Trump name-called low quality news. Personally, I don't really like his way to call all news that he don't like as fake news. It sounds like a dictator. Anyway, I agreed that news on so many well-known sites turned out to lower quality as they used to have.
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March 15, 2019, 10:22:21 AM |
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Looking at the chart on the referenced post, the 1 merit for Jr. Members introduced in mid September 2018 did not seem to alter the trend at all (number of posts per month), but rather continued its downward pattern, which, as expected, is in consonance to market (see for example chart comparison on re: Bitcointalk is Dying?). < ... > The way I see it, Bitcointalk seems to be rather aligned to how Bitcoin/cypto is behaving currently. That is natural and rather much unavoidable. Agreed with you, @DdmrDdmr. There are my time series plots, which support your stance above. And this one ABSTRACT(1) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account range from 2311 to 27790 (the interquartile range); (2) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account above or below 10432 (the median); (3) The intra-month registered account fell 91.6% from its all time high in 2017 at 238400 to 20046; whilst the bitcoin decreased nearly 83.9%. (4) The demotion on Junior Members in September 2018 probably caused intra-month registered accounts fell considerbaly later months. (5) The difference in means of before and after periods (cut-off timepoint is Sept. 2018) is -63.6%. Time-series plot
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March 15, 2019, 10:34:26 AM |
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Looking at the chart on the referenced post, the 1 merit for Jr. Members introduced in mid September 2018 did not seem to alter the trend at all (number of posts per month), but rather continued its downward pattern, which, as expected, is in consonance to market (see for example chart comparison on re: Bitcointalk is Dying?). < ... > The way I see it, Bitcointalk seems to be rather aligned to how Bitcoin/cypto is behaving currently. That is natural and rather much unavoidable. Agreed with you, @DdmrDdmr. There are my time series plots, which support your stance above. And this one ABSTRACT(1) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account range from 2311 to 27790 (the interquartile range); (2) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account above or below 10432 (the median); (3) The intra-month registered account fell 91.6% from its all time high in 2017 at 238400 to 20046; whilst the bitcoin decreased nearly 83.9%. (4) The demotion on Junior Members in September 2018 probably caused intra-month registered accounts fell considerbaly later months. (5) The difference in means of before and after periods (cut-off timepoint is Sept. 2018) is -63.6%. Time-series plot can you pls put the time correct bitcoin price as second lines of those diagrams would be nice to research the correlation between the community and the bitcoin price/market support
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March 15, 2019, 10:42:00 AM |
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can you pls put the time correct bitcoin price as second lines of those diagrams would be nice to research the correlation between the community and the bitcoin price/market support
Sure, I can do it, but the problem is I have to manually trace back the historical price of bitcoin, enter data points manually, then draw the time series plot. I don't have intention to manually do it, it is so much work to do. You can open the bitcoin price chart, copy & paste it into Paint, then see the two charts (mine & bitcoin's monthly price chart, I meant), to see what you wanted. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
If you can give me price of bitcoin at following time points, I will plot new time series for you. There are points on which theymos scrapped data +---------------------+---------------+ | 30day starting | registrations | +---------------------+---------------+ | 2009-11-02 00:00:00 | 3 | | 2009-12-02 00:00:00 | 8 | | 2010-01-01 00:00:00 | 8 | | 2010-01-31 00:00:00 | 22 | | 2010-03-02 00:00:00 | 5 | | 2010-04-01 00:00:00 | 22 | | 2010-05-01 00:00:00 | 15 | | 2010-05-31 00:00:00 | 33 | | 2010-06-30 00:00:00 | 325 | | 2010-07-30 00:00:00 | 159 | | 2010-08-29 00:00:00 | 148 | | 2010-09-28 00:00:00 | 190 | | 2010-10-28 00:00:00 | 204 | | 2010-11-27 00:00:00 | 383 | | 2010-12-27 00:00:00 | 384 | | 2011-01-26 00:00:00 | 938 | | 2011-02-25 00:00:00 | 2202 | | 2011-03-27 00:00:00 | 2737 | | 2011-04-26 00:00:00 | 4936 | | 2011-05-26 00:00:00 | 14048 | | 2011-06-25 00:00:00 | 6250 | | 2011-07-25 00:00:00 | 3903 | | 2011-08-24 00:00:00 | 2938 | | 2011-09-23 00:00:00 | 1983 | | 2011-10-23 00:00:00 | 1965 | | 2011-11-22 00:00:00 | 1835 | | 2011-12-22 00:00:00 | 1812 | | 2012-01-21 00:00:00 | 2082 | | 2012-02-20 00:00:00 | 1901 | | 2012-03-21 00:00:00 | 2158 | | 2012-04-20 00:00:00 | 1969 | | 2012-05-20 00:00:00 | 2057 | | 2012-06-19 00:00:00 | 2040 | | 2012-07-19 00:00:00 | 2145 | | 2012-08-18 00:00:00 | 2419 | | 2012-09-17 00:00:00 | 2661 | | 2012-10-17 00:00:00 | 2958 | | 2012-11-16 00:00:00 | 2763 | | 2012-12-16 00:00:00 | 2611 | | 2013-01-15 00:00:00 | 3320 | | 2013-02-14 00:00:00 | 4933 | | 2013-03-16 00:00:00 | 13816 | | 2013-04-15 00:00:00 | 18162 | | 2013-05-15 00:00:00 | 11318 | | 2013-06-14 00:00:00 | 8095 | | 2013-07-14 00:00:00 | 6703 | | 2013-08-13 00:00:00 | 5505 | | 2013-09-12 00:00:00 | 4137 | | 2013-10-12 00:00:00 | 5632 | | 2013-11-11 00:00:00 | 26804 | | 2013-12-11 00:00:00 | 28776 | | 2014-01-10 00:00:00 | 29576 | | 2014-02-09 00:00:00 | 29839 | | 2014-03-11 00:00:00 | 22534 | | 2014-04-10 00:00:00 | 18065 | | 2014-05-10 00:00:00 | 13071 | | 2014-06-09 00:00:00 | 12180 | | 2014-07-09 00:00:00 | 10561 | | 2014-08-08 00:00:00 | 10925 | | 2014-09-07 00:00:00 | 9418 | | 2014-10-07 00:00:00 | 8218 | | 2014-11-06 00:00:00 | 7974 | | 2014-12-06 00:00:00 | 8136 | | 2015-01-05 00:00:00 | 23256 | | 2015-02-04 00:00:00 | 36913 | | 2015-03-06 00:00:00 | 33500 | | 2015-04-05 00:00:00 | 8450 | | 2015-05-05 00:00:00 | 8577 | | 2015-06-04 00:00:00 | 10303 | | 2015-07-04 00:00:00 | 11773 | | 2015-08-03 00:00:00 | 9725 | | 2015-09-02 00:00:00 | 7644 | | 2015-10-02 00:00:00 | 68601 | | 2015-11-01 00:00:00 | 44059 | | 2015-12-01 00:00:00 | 39244 | | 2015-12-31 00:00:00 | 37106 | | 2016-01-30 00:00:00 | 42233 | | 2016-02-29 00:00:00 | 24213 | | 2016-03-30 00:00:00 | 19336 | | 2016-04-29 00:00:00 | 16031 | | 2016-05-29 00:00:00 | 19935 | | 2016-06-28 00:00:00 | 12582 | | 2016-07-28 00:00:00 | 10646 | | 2016-08-27 00:00:00 | 9986 | | 2016-09-26 00:00:00 | 9844 | | 2016-10-26 00:00:00 | 10718 | | 2016-11-25 00:00:00 | 10691 | | 2016-12-25 00:00:00 | 12429 | | 2017-01-24 00:00:00 | 13664 | | 2017-02-23 00:00:00 | 13893 | | 2017-03-25 00:00:00 | 15276 | | 2017-04-24 00:00:00 | 20585 | | 2017-05-24 00:00:00 | 31381 | | 2017-06-23 00:00:00 | 35866 | | 2017-07-23 00:00:00 | 40726 | | 2017-08-22 00:00:00 | 45026 | | 2017-09-21 00:00:00 | 70477 | | 2017-10-21 00:00:00 | 95568 | | 2017-11-20 00:00:00 | 144762 | | 2017-12-20 00:00:00 | 238433 | | 2018-01-19 00:00:00 | 136872 | | 2018-02-18 00:00:00 | 107237 | | 2018-03-20 00:00:00 | 87087 | | 2018-04-19 00:00:00 | 89659 | | 2018-05-19 00:00:00 | 83999 | | 2018-06-18 00:00:00 | 72430 | | 2018-07-18 00:00:00 | 61360 | | 2018-08-17 00:00:00 | 43451 | | 2018-09-16 00:00:00 | 43516 | | 2018-10-16 00:00:00 | 35335 | | 2018-11-15 00:00:00 | 31502 | | 2018-12-15 00:00:00 | 20733 | | 2019-01-14 00:00:00 | 20046 | | 2019-02-13 00:00:00 | 2763 | [PARTIAL PERIOD] +---------------------+---------------+
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March 15, 2019, 04:30:03 PM |
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if the community of bitcoin talk keeps drying down, it wont be good for Bitcoin Either.
I knew you were a troll, I didn't know you had issues of understanding english. It says nowhere that the community is dying down. It merely says there are less links posted on other sites. It has little to do with actual audience of the forum.
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March 15, 2019, 04:41:09 PM |
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Yes we all know this Troll !
Everytime i read something of some posts or in some threads he created i just asking myself , why is he here ?
Because the most time he is against Bitcoin and says that it will be die and and and ...... !
Waste of time to discuss about with him and maybe he gets on my Ignore list !
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March 15, 2019, 05:55:17 PM |
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Yes we all know this Troll !
Everytime i read something of some posts or in some threads he created i just asking myself , why is he here ?
Because the most time he is against Bitcoin and says that it will be die and and and ...... !
Waste of time to discuss about with him and maybe he gets on my Ignore list !
well jes keep doing that with everyone that confronts you with issues, and you all will end up like a bunch of ghouls that lost connection to reality.
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March 15, 2019, 05:59:14 PM |
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well jes keep doing that with everyone that confronts you with issues, and you all will end up like a bunch of ghouls that lost connection to reality.
Can't you just leave if you think the forum sucks and it's slowly dying? No one really asked for your opinion. Everybody knows that you are just butthurt that you got tagged for merit abusing. Why waste your time?
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March 15, 2019, 06:04:27 PM |
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well jes keep doing that with everyone that confronts you with issues, and you all will end up like a bunch of ghouls that lost connection to reality.
Can't you just leave if you think the forum sucks and it's slowly dying? No one really asked for your opinion. Everybody knows that you are just butthurt that you got tagged for merit abusing. Stop wasting your time here. well i help you by confronting you with reality, its not that i like and support your idea, of building bitcoin miners all over the world. and have a big fat global competition to mine bitcoin. i consider that madness actually.
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March 15, 2019, 08:02:45 PM |
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well i help you by confronting you with reality,
Unfortunately, your reality is from a parallel universe. Theymos already gave you the statistics from the server, not approximations made by 3rd party services that have a very low accuracy as they obviously can't track people that don't use their services. The simple fact that the website that did the analysis ranked Wikipedia 10th while Alexa put it on 5th and Twitter on 6 while Alexa ranked it 11th should make you understand how accurate those are. Just take a look what mess is when checking bitcointalk on both: https://www.similarweb.com/website/bitcointalk.orghttps://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcointalk.org
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March 15, 2019, 08:06:34 PM |
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Unfortunately, your reality is from a parallel universe.
You can't fight bad faith with rationality unfortunately.
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March 15, 2019, 08:32:26 PM |
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Its a never ending Story with him ! We have so often asked why he is here and what he want because he is complaining the most times about the Forum and Bitcoin ! But he dont leave !
Waste of Time !
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